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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
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Actually, Janene, you're not. Very little is known at this point, and may never be known.
Why speculate? It serves no real purpose but to satisfy one's need for intrigue.
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I am brainstorming. Anything wrong with that Dennis? I think we came to a good point today in that we have gotten some volunteers to check out the
convenience stores' security cameras and possibly get some new leads. Your I am sure quote of mine is taken out of context. Everyone that has met
Gary has said he was a talker and was very friendly, and that is what I meant, not I am sure that this scenario happened.
[Edited on 4-8-2014 by EnsenadaDr]
[Edited on 4-8-2014 by EnsenadaDr]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I am brainstorming. Anything wrong with that Dennis? I think we came to a good point today in that we have gotten some volunteers to check out the
convenience stores' security cameras and possibly get some new leads. You're I am sure quote is taken out of context. Everyone that has met Gary has
said he was a talker and was very friendly.
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It's Baja....the wilderness.......not New York. People here are demanding CSI results and there's no one here to do that.
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Amazing the "sure" and "certain" conclusions the good doctor has come with up out of thin air within the last couple days.
I sure hope she isn't so "sure" about diagnoses on patients with so little to go on.
It's like target shooting with a 12 gauge from 20 feet; all the peppering makes it hard to see how accurate the shot was and obliterates any previous
shots.
It's getting really confusing in here.................
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
from 6 months ago? maybe..... we usually stop at the Pinos in south SQ as ER is always so busy..... |
Since the car was found March 4 go back from there for as long as he has recorded. I don't know how long he keeps the video. I'll ask.
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I asked three customers today (gas station owners in California) how long they keep video footage and got three different answers: 3 weeks, 1 month
and 2 months.
Just FYI.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Amazing the "sure" and "certain" conclusions the good doctor has come with up out of thin air within the last couple days.
I sure hope she isn't so "sure" about diagnoses on patients with so little to go on.
It's like target shooting with a 12 gauge from 20 feet; all the peppering makes it hard to see how accurate the shot was and obliterates any previous
shots.
It's getting really confusing in here................. |
it's cyber mystery dinner theatre (BYOB and food)
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
What do you call someone who assaults a driver and robs him?Ambush can also mean a surprise attack. I am sure Gary presented himself as a friendly
guy trying to help someone out and got more than he bargained for. The robber knew that the car was hot and dumped it. Makes more sense than him
pulling in miles off the main road only after 2 hours into his trip and no one seeing him. | Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
How about the ambusher taking a joy ride including getting rid of evidence and figuring out where to dump the car |
How about prescribing yourself some meds to rein in your bizarre imagination?
"Ambush??" That's right out of "Platoon." |
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It's highly
unlikely that there would be anything of value left in the vehicle if he was a victim of foul play. I predict he will be found within a 10 mile radius
of where his car was found.
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Monoloco- I had the same opinion up until a few days ago. I think the lack of driven miles indicates that the car had to be parked somewhere else for
some time. (Virtually all miles on the car have been accounted for.) He could have been heading to the beach (or returning from the beach) when he got
stuck but the rancher knows that area and is sure that Gary's car was not there 3 months ago.) (The rancher didn't say he was pretty sure- he said he
was sure. Gary had planned to return to Jardines in 3 days. I also don't understand why Gary would have chosen that secluded area to camp-I have read
other comments as to why someone might camp there but Gary is not a "loner." All indications are that he is a talker and loves to visit- why not camp
at the beach where there would possibly be other people? My gut feeling is somebody was trying to hide the car or maybe tried to move it to a better
location and got stuck. I have too much confidence in the rancher's comments and the overall condition of the car, to believe that the car has been in
the found location for almost 6 months. That area has to be searched but I'm doubtful that a body will be found.
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Well...if his tent etc. are not in the car, that would probably mean he has a camp spot somewhere and was possibly going out for the provisions
someone mentioned.
But....who knows?
Was it mentioned that his camping gear was in the car? I don't want to reread. I'm too old.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Was it mentioned that his camping gear was in the car?
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That is not confirmed yet one way or the other. It was mentioned that there was a bag of clothes in the car, the cooler, canned food, surfboard,
coins, cameras, and keys to the vehicle.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
I predict he will be found within a 10 mile radius of where his car was found. |
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He left San Quintin early morning and less than 2 hours later he decides in mid morning to camp on a desolate route that has no clear cut destination?
Makes no sense. I do not know where Gary is or what happened to him. I am speculating and this has nothing to do with my methods of diagnosing a
patient. I don't think I am in New York and I resent wise guy comments. You both are taking my comments completely out of context. I said I was
certain that Gary would befriend anyone that would talk to him, from the feedback I am getting from people that knew him. It's unfortunate he is such
a trusting soul. But in no way, shape or form do I know with certainty what led to the car at the ranch.
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Bob,
That isn't Mono, could it be the Dr.?
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.Hopefully Ateo, the questioning of these tienditas might yield some additional information or jog someone's memory. Someone out there knows what
happened to Gary. A reward might sweeten the deal to get info at this point. | Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
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from 6 months ago? maybe..... we usually stop at the Pinos in south SQ as ER is always so busy..... |
Since the car was found March 4 go back from there for as long as he has recorded. I don't know how long he keeps the video. I'll ask.
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I asked three customers today (gas station owners in California) how long they keep video footage and got three different answers: 3 weeks, 1 month
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Just FYI. |
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
He left San Quintin early morning and less than 2 hours later he decides in mid morning to camp on a desolate route that has no clear cut destination?
Makes no sense. I do not know where Gary is or what happened to him. I am speculating and this has nothing to do with my methods of diagnosing a
patient. I don't think I am in New York and I resent wise guy comments. You both are taking my comments completely out of context. I said I was
certain that Gary would befriend anyone that would talk to him, from the feedback I am getting from people that knew him. It's unfortunate he is such
a trusting soul. But in no way, shape or form do I know with certainty what led to the car at the ranch. |
Nothing points to the theory that he left SQ and 2 hrs later he was stuck where the toy was found in March.
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If someone was going to hide a vehicle after murdering the owner, wouldn`t they remove the plates? Or try to disguise the vehicle some how? Or burn
the vehicle to hide evidence? Or keep the cameras?
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He may have been along the Seven Sisters for a while and was coming out to Cataviña for supplies or just to head home?
I think showing the poster to every rancher and fisherman from Santa Catarina Landing to Punta Blanca or maybe Santa Rosalillita is the only way to
find out if he was ever on the coast (if it matters).
The truck was found, and the contents were not removed, other than some things Gary may have carried... nor was the truck stripped (from what Lizard
Lips has posted).
Gary may have gotten overheated trying to get unstuck, off any meds, or something that caused him to leave his truck. If he was coming out from the
coast, and he knew where the people were, he may have walked that way. If he came off Hwy. 1, and though he was closer to it, he could have walked
that way.
What is odd is that he didn't stay on the dirt road (or else he would have been found), and instead went cross country (perhaps)???
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BornFisher-good points but I just can't understand how the car could have been at that same location for 6 months and not been found. If someone was
driving a stolen vehicle and found himself stuck in the sand he could easily panic and only think of getting away from that vehicle leaving everything
including cameras, shovels, rakes, coins etc behind. Does the family have any recollection of Gary carrying a shovel and or rake?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by absinvestor
Monoloco- I had the same opinion up until a few days ago. I think the lack of driven miles indicates that the car had to be parked somewhere else for
some time. (Virtually all miles on the car have been accounted for.) He could have been heading to the beach (or returning from the beach) when he got
stuck but the rancher knows that area and is sure that Gary's car was not there 3 months ago.) (The rancher didn't say he was pretty sure- he said he
was sure. Gary had planned to return to Jardines in 3 days. I also don't understand why Gary would have chosen that secluded area to camp-I have read
other comments as to why someone might camp there but Gary is not a "loner." All indications are that he is a talker and loves to visit- why not camp
at the beach where there would possibly be other people? My gut feeling is somebody was trying to hide the car or maybe tried to move it to a better
location and got stuck. I have too much confidence in the rancher's comments and the overall condition of the car, to believe that the car has been in
the found location for almost 6 months. That area has to be searched but I'm doubtful that a body will be found. |
If he was a victim of foul play, the most likely motive would have been theft, so it is unlikely that a valuable camera would have
been left in the vehicle. Most probably, the rancher was mistaken or has a faulty memory of exactly when the last time he was on that road. It's all
idle speculation at this point, but from a standpoint of most likely to least likely scenarios, the most likely is that Gary drove the vehicle to that
spot sometime close to the last time he was seen in San Quintin, and met his demise somewhere in the desert near to where the car was found. Until
that area is thoroughly combed, and the photo and other evidence is examined, this is nothing but an exercise in mental masturbation because there are
unlimited theories that one could conjure to explain his disappearance. The most logical approach is to try and eliminate the most likely scenarios
first.
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by absinvestor
BornFisher-good points but I just can't understand how the car could have been at that same location for 6 months and not been found. If someone was
driving a stolen vehicle and found himself stuck in the sand he could easily panic and only think of getting away from that vehicle leaving everything
including cameras, shovels, rakes, coins etc behind. Does the family have any recollection of Gary carrying a shovel and or rake?
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The fact that there were valuables still inside, and the vehicle was intact is testament to the remoteness
and lack of traffic in the area. In most parts of the peninsula, a car could not be left for a night without being stripped, let alone months.
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