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Woooosh
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Thanks Windgirl- that's the line of thinking we need to establish a process.
With all the "editing" now taking place on this and the OT thread, it would seem there is no way to communicate this issue openly. And maybe I know
the reason. BajaNomads is a pro-Baja travel board that embraces the spirit of Baja we all hold dear in our memories. Setting up a formal process to
help each other in the future is admitting Baja is no longer safe and that Nomads will be attacked again. Many nomads own and promote
tourist-dependent businesses, and those two concepts (the Baja Nomad Spirit and the attempted murder of two very pro-Baja Nomads) are not compatible
on this board. Just a guess.
[Edited on 10-2-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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windgrrl
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Thanks Windgirl- that's the line of thinking we need to establish a process.
With all the censorship now taking place on this and the OT thread, it would seem there is no way to communicate this issue openly. And maybe I know
the reason. BajaNomads is a pro-Baja travel board that embraces the spirit of Baja we all hold dear in our memories. Setting up a formal process to
help each other in the future is admitting Baja is no longer safe and that Nomads will be attacked again. Many nomads own and promote
tourist-dependent businesses, and those two concepts (the Baja Nomad Spirit and the attempted murder of two very pro-Baja Nomads) are not compatible
on this board. Just a guess. |
Nowhere is safe. Was Baja ever without risk? I will not live in fear as I go back south again this year. Risk, which is part of life, can be partly
mitigated by being aware and being prepared. We are stronger together.
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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tripledigitken
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Baja has become much riskier with the spread of Meth use, IMO.
We still go, but it takes more preparation to do so.
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bajaguy
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Contact list forum topic
Maybe BN Doug could establish a new forum topic titled "Contact info' where Nomads who are interested in helping others with travel; vehicle; medical;
communications or other problems would post their location.
The topic could have seperate threads listed by location (city-town-area) with the Nomads in those areas just posting an "available" message...
Anyone needing assistance could then u2u the listed contact for assistance.....and both could agree to post or not post the problem on the general
topic board.
This has worked in the past for travel assistance and vehicle problems, and has recently worked with Ron and Cristina.
Just my 2 cents
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by windgrrl
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Thanks Windgirl- that's the line of thinking we need to establish a process.
With all the censorship now taking place on this and the OT thread, it would seem there is no way to communicate this issue openly. And maybe I know
the reason. BajaNomads is a pro-Baja travel board that embraces the spirit of Baja we all hold dear in our memories. Setting up a formal process to
help each other in the future is admitting Baja is no longer safe and that Nomads will be attacked again. Many nomads own and promote
tourist-dependent businesses, and those two concepts (the Baja Nomad Spirit and the attempted murder of two very pro-Baja Nomads) are not compatible
on this board. Just a guess. |
Nowhere is safe. Was Baja ever without risk? I will not live in fear as I go back south again this year. Risk, which is part of life, can be partly
mitigated by being aware and being prepared. We are stronger together. |
Baja was never without risk. We used to complain here about being shaken down for a $20 bribe once in a while and we'd all make a big deal about it
for months. We all long for those good-ole-days again. I'm very comfortable in Baja and am within my safety and healthcare access comfort zones- but
I didn't move to a remote area for exactly that reason. But Ron could not farm Abalone in Rosarito- he went where the adventure took him. It is sad
that for all the work Ron has done promoting Baja and tourism- it would seem no individual or Mexican agency with any clout stepped up to help him.
That is not encouraging. I managed to connect the family to the Baja Governor- but never heard if they offered help or not. We are on our own down
here when it hits the fan- except for the help we can provide each other. We just need to do it better next time.
[Edited on 10-2-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
And maybe I know the reason. BajaNomads is a pro-Baja travel board that embraces the spirit of Baja we all hold dear in our memories. Setting up a
formal process to help each other in the future is admitting Baja is no longer safe and that Nomads will be attacked again. Many nomads own and
promote tourist-dependent businesses, and those two concepts (the Baja Nomad Spirit and the attempted murder of two very pro-Baja Nomads) are not
compatible on this board. Just a guess.
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Most respectfully disagree with you, Wooosh. Being a Baja dedicated board is certainly not about being unrealistic.......disingenuous or blind. In no
way, ever, would the administrator of this board choose business interests over safety.
I do, however, believe he leans toward moderation over hyperbole....which is the usual direction these crime report and resolution threads will go.
Seems most threads here begin their life with a march toward death, but hang on dearly long after all pertinent info has been shared.
Still with you at all costs, Wooosh. 
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wessongroup
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Would think just about anything possible... given the depth and breadth of knowledge and experience and talent .... not even tossing in the overall
good nature of folks .. here
Thanks for that perspective Woooosh and windgrrl ... ya guys rock... 
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SiReNiTa
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Ok....had to take several deep breaths and count to ten about 20 times after reading the pages of the thread that I had missed while dealing with life
issues.
How to respond and not insult, hurt or offend others....I can't say I'll fully succeed but if in fact I do offend someone with what I'm posting please
know that it is in NO way on purpose.
I understand why many of you want accounting, but seriously...did you take the time to read my post from a few days ago? I very openly said that
accounting would be given, all you needed to do was give us some time! There were many receipts involved, many people involved and many many emotions,
so it's only natural that in order to give full accountability there needs to be TIME!
At this time I will NOT be writing a detailed story, because in all honesty I think most anything said here is turned in to something else most of the
time...I will say that those of us who were here did what we could to help, but in the end the decisions that were made were made by the family, which
is exactly how it should be.
I know everyone cares for Ron and Cristina, and everyone has their own opinions of what would be better or worse for them, but it's just that...it's
just YOUR opinions, and with all due respect the family did what they thought or knew was right for both Ron and Cristina at the time.
As for receipts, they will be scanned and posted just as the hospital wrote them, but this will take time, first of all because the people that have
the receipts are the ones taking care of Ron, therefor scanning receipts is not their first priority and rightly so.
Also, Bajanomads were NOT the only people who gave money from their own pockets, which is why the receipts are spread out between a couple of
different people, I will not say names because that's when everyone starts pointing fingers.
Tears are rolling down my face in frustration and anger that this thread, which is supposed to be for prayers and healing feelings (which are still
very much needed) has turned in to a money debate.
It pains me to think of Ron and the fact that he will have to read all of this, because both him and Cristina and their families are going through
such a difficult time, the healing does not end when you leave the hospital people!!
None of the people who were down here helping (as was said above) received monetary compensation nor did we ever even think of asking for it. The cell
minutes that were sent were used only to make calls referring to the issues at hand, and if it's really that important I'll go buy some and send them
back.
I understand you all want transparency but there is a time and a place for everything and also a way to say things that does not hurt other people who
were doing their best to openly and honestly help people from the bottom of our hearts.
I apologize if some of this seems like gibberish but it's very upsetting to read these things.
I'd also like to point out that those of us who were here only know what we were told, and we have relayed that information to you in previous posts.
Now, if we could all PLEASE return to the more important issue of praying for Ron, Cristina and their families, so that God may give them strength and
faith to heal both body and soul.
Live life as well as you can,
don\'t regret the things that once made you smile,
learn from your mistakes,
and thank God for every second he gives you upon this earth.
Visit me at
Http://BajaScents.Scentsy.com.mx
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SiReNiTa
Now, if we could all PLEASE return to the more important issue of praying for Ron, Cristina and their families, so that God may give them strength and
faith to heal both body and soul. |
Any further questions, Folks? Gawwwd....I hope not.
Thanks, Sirenita. You're cool.
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TMW
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Ditto
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Oggie
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SiReNiTa
Ok....had to take several deep breaths and count to ten about 20 times after reading the pages of the thread that I had missed while dealing with life
issues.
How to respond and not insult, hurt or offend others....I can't say I'll fully succeed but if in fact I do offend someone with what I'm posting please
know that it is in NO way on purpose.
I understand why many of you want accounting, but seriously...did you take the time to read my post from a few days ago? I very openly said that
accounting would be given, all you needed to do was give us some time! There were many receipts involved, many people involved and many many emotions,
so it's only natural that in order to give full accountability there needs to be TIME!
At this time I will NOT be writing a detailed story, because in all honesty I think most anything said here is turned in to something else most of the
time...I will say that those of us who were here did what we could to help, but in the end the decisions that were made were made by the family, which
is exactly how it should be.
I know everyone cares for Ron and Cristina, and everyone has their own opinions of what would be better or worse for them, but it's just that...it's
just YOUR opinions, and with all due respect the family did what they thought or knew was right for both Ron and Cristina at the time.
As for receipts, they will be scanned and posted just as the hospital wrote them, but this will take time, first of all because the people that have
the receipts are the ones taking care of Ron, therefor scanning receipts is not their first priority and rightly so.
Also, Bajanomads were NOT the only people who gave money from their own pockets, which is why the receipts are spread out between a couple of
different people, I will not say names because that's when everyone starts pointing fingers.
Tears are rolling down my face in frustration and anger that this thread, which is supposed to be for prayers and healing feelings (which are still
very much needed) has turned in to a money debate.
It pains me to think of Ron and the fact that he will have to read all of this, because both him and Cristina and their families are going through
such a difficult time, the healing does not end when you leave the hospital people!!
None of the people who were down here helping (as was said above) received monetary compensation nor did we ever even think of asking for it. The cell
minutes that were sent were used only to make calls referring to the issues at hand, and if it's really that important I'll go buy some and send them
back.
I understand you all want transparency but there is a time and a place for everything and also a way to say things that does not hurt other people who
were doing their best to openly and honestly help people from the bottom of our hearts.
I apologize if some of this seems like gibberish but it's very upsetting to read these things.
I'd also like to point out that those of us who were here only know what we were told, and we have relayed that information to you in previous posts.
Now, if we could all PLEASE return to the more important issue of praying for Ron, Cristina and their families, so that God may give them strength and
faith to heal both body and soul. |
I am giving you a big cyber hug right now!!
A man never stands as tall as when he kneels to help a child.
Knights of Pythagoras
Funny how falling feels like flying
for a little while - Bad Blake
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David K
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Thanks Sirena, you are an angel and Shari should be very proud of the fine young woman she raised! 
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SiReNiTa
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Thanks Oggie and everyone else, those pixelated hugs were very much needed and appreciated! Ensenada Nomads should get together for dinner or
somethin', I'd be nice to chill under other circumstances!!!
Live life as well as you can,
don\'t regret the things that once made you smile,
learn from your mistakes,
and thank God for every second he gives you upon this earth.
Visit me at
Http://BajaScents.Scentsy.com.mx
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Phil S
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SiReNiTa. Incredible what you did & I'm sure what you will continue to do. God watches over his 'Special People', and you & your husband
certainly are two of them. Should I EVER find myself in similar trouble, I'd want it to be in G.N. area. Your mother did an outstanding job of
teaching you the essentials of being a 'caring' person. May God walk with you the rest of your lives!!
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24baja
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SiReNiTa, you are wonderful and caring woman who's motives, or intergrity should never be placed in question. You came forward and worked hard for
your friends and for what you did, I know Ron & Cristina and their family will be forever grateful. Do not take what some offending persons on
this site have said to heart, they know not of what you truely went through during the course of the emergency. I want to commend you on what a
wonderful and genuine person you are (even though we have never met) and thank your parents for raising such an upstanding person who I would be
honored to stand beside and would hope that I could be more like you if I were faced with the situation you were in. God Bless and wipe your tears
away because not everyone here feels as other do. connie
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BajaBlanca
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so well said, Sirenita.
God bless you.
and yeah, Ron and Cristina still need prayers.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ridge
and then ponder who called Doug an a$$#%<e on another forum about it.
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Now...who in the world would do such a despicable thing? 
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Bajahowodd
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Perhaps A Fitting Event
| Quote: | Originally posted by SiReNiTa
Thanks Oggie and everyone else, those pixelated hugs were very much needed and appreciated! Ensenada Nomads should get together for dinner or
somethin', I'd be nice to chill under other circumstances!!! |
Not too far back, on Ron's site, there was talk about having a dinner in Ensenada. I remember that El Rey Sol was mentioned as a possible site.
So, when the time is right, and Ron and Cristina are ready to be social, perhaps that idea can be crystalized.
And who knows, inasmuch as the owner of Rey Sol, Jean Loup Bitterlin has been a long time figure in the local tourist market, just perhaps someone
could enlist him to make such a dinner an unforgettable event.
Ferna??
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bajaguy
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Good idea
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by SiReNiTa
Thanks Oggie and everyone else, those pixelated hugs were very much needed and appreciated! Ensenada Nomads should get together for dinner or
somethin', I'd be nice to chill under other circumstances!!! |
Not too far back, on Ron's site, there was talk about having a dinner in Ensenada. I remember that El Rey Sol was mentioned as a possible site.
So, when the time is right, and Ron and Cristina are ready to be social, perhaps that idea can be crystalized.
And who knows, inasmuch as the owner of Rey Sol, Jean Loup Bitterlin has been a long time figure in the local tourist market, just perhaps someone
could enlist him to make such a dinner an unforgettable event.
Ferna?? |
However, I would suggest the establishment where SiReNiTa's husband is the chef!!!!
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BillP
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SiReNiTa
Ok....had to take several deep breaths and count to ten about 20 times after reading the pages of the thread that I had missed while dealing with life
issues.
How to respond and not insult, hurt or offend others....I can't say I'll fully succeed but if in fact I do offend someone with what I'm posting please
know that it is in NO way on purpose.
I understand why many of you want accounting, but seriously...did you take the time to read my post from a few days ago? I very openly said that
accounting would be given, all you needed to do was give us some time! There were many receipts involved, many people involved and many many emotions,
so it's only natural that in order to give full accountability there needs to be TIME!
At this time I will NOT be writing a detailed story, because in all honesty I think most anything said here is turned in to something else most of the
time...I will say that those of us who were here did what we could to help, but in the end the decisions that were made were made by the family, which
is exactly how it should be.
I know everyone cares for Ron and Cristina, and everyone has their own opinions of what would be better or worse for them, but it's just that...it's
just YOUR opinions, and with all due respect the family did what they thought or knew was right for both Ron and Cristina at the time.
As for receipts, they will be scanned and posted just as the hospital wrote them, but this will take time, first of all because the people that have
the receipts are the ones taking care of Ron, therefor scanning receipts is not their first priority and rightly so.
Also, Bajanomads were NOT the only people who gave money from their own pockets, which is why the receipts are spread out between a couple of
different people, I will not say names because that's when everyone starts pointing fingers.
Tears are rolling down my face in frustration and anger that this thread, which is supposed to be for prayers and healing feelings (which are still
very much needed) has turned in to a money debate.
It pains me to think of Ron and the fact that he will have to read all of this, because both him and Cristina and their families are going through
such a difficult time, the healing does not end when you leave the hospital people!!
None of the people who were down here helping (as was said above) received monetary compensation nor did we ever even think of asking for it. The cell
minutes that were sent were used only to make calls referring to the issues at hand, and if it's really that important I'll go buy some and send them
back.
I understand you all want transparency but there is a time and a place for everything and also a way to say things that does not hurt other people who
were doing their best to openly and honestly help people from the bottom of our hearts.
I apologize if some of this seems like gibberish but it's very upsetting to read these things.
I'd also like to point out that those of us who were here only know what we were told, and we have relayed that information to you in previous posts.
Now, if we could all PLEASE return to the more important issue of praying for Ron, Cristina and their families, so that God may give them strength and
faith to heal both body and soul. |
Bravo!! 
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