Originally posted by Pompano
gnukid...I speak from my own experience.
As a avid student of 'actual' history, I mistrust almost all history books. They have agendas.
Out.
Skepticism of history books is an excellent starting position, however there does exist a thing we can call the true history and it is possible to
read various sources, gather evidence backed by witness and material and with a comparative view you can decide for yourself what occurred.
On the hand, you can throw your hands up and say we can know nothing at all for certain is another position. Between these tow likely is the closet we
can come to the truth.
It's interesting to me how often I meet both young and old who refuse to read or consider any view other than what is repeated most often on their
local TV, on the other hand certainly youthful wonder and wisdom of ages seems to provide desire for facts, interest in the world.
There are two main historical theories, the one where we just fumble along and everyone is basically an idiot making mistakes to arrive where we are,
and the other theory that history is the result of actions organized by those with the most ability to cause action, generally for their own profit
and benefit.
To that end, one needn't shy away in any case from considering history and certainly one should resist the urge to ignore what you know.
What strikes me most about the Skeetisms, is that his writing takes the form, he follows a logic which if described would be: draw attention, attack
with vague statements, change the subject often, create straw-men and demand people to defend those and then change the subject again,
attack-withdraw. This appears to be a very successful political gaming strategy when dealing with an easily distracted audience who have no
historrical perspective. In the back of my mind, I am thinking there are some really well educated, thoughtful and educated people here who must know
a great deal about BF Skinner's gaming strategy, the politics of FreeMasonry, groupthink and history of the monarchical social influence on society.
We seem to be at a critical juncture in time, which requires some independent and critical thought? I defer to the experts.
Gnu
I'm starting to worry a little bit about you. You take this stuff--and Skeet--much too seriously. But, God help me, I do enjoy your analysis. Keep
that voice of reason coming.
Probably with a government grant...At Berkeley, no doubt.
Skeet and I just lost all respect for you.
Does the GI Bill count as a government grant? And no, it wasn't Berkeley. I only qualed for third-tiered institutions, so I can't wear that "liberal
elite" moniker with any sort of pride. That, of course, means that "respect" plays no part in my makeup, so it was never there to lose. Must have been
something else you lost, but I won't tell
Consider that if we were organized, not so distracted and wasteful, we would be able to have anti-magnetic rail lines up and down the country enabling
high speed low emission trains, we could explore far reaches of the galaxy and the ocean, we could achieve various energy systems beyond coal and oil,
we could achieve improved infrastructure of water systems, effectively bringing water from the ice caps to deserts and we could reduce the waster and
greed of central banking fraud and monetary manipulation in order to allow individuals to own their labor, receive benefits from the labor and end the
vast monopoly of Monarchies and the waste of the Military Industrial complex, secrecy within governments would not be tolerated and we could live free
and prosper without the burdensome waste and taxation of government.
Gnu
I'm starting to worry a little bit about you. You take this stuff--and Skeet--much too seriously. But, God help me, I do enjoy your analysis. Keep
that voice of reason coming.
What strikes me is how many do not take these things seriously? How many say, the wars are not important, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini are irrelevent,
neither the church, nor human psychology. How is it possible that you could be an adult and end up with the position that you are mad at Glenn Beck
and Sarah Palin but you have no concern over Crown of the United Kingdom, nor the fact that every US president has been demonstrated to be closely
related and most claim association with FreeMasonry and those who were not were murdered quickly.
Yet you have smart people like DK, Capt Mike, Mr Bill, Skeet, etc... certain that to consider anything besides last nights fox news isn't worth their
time?
What would be so bad about asking a few questions about who we are? Where we came from? Where are we going? Who are the players? What is human
psychology? Is life so boring that we can not even ask the most basic questions, about patterns in speech, music, the stars and how these affect
society?
As you can see, I have high expectations for fire night chats with Nomads.
Originally posted by gnukid
Consider that if we were organized, not so distracted and wasteful, we would be able to have anti-magnetic rail lines up and down the country enabling
high speed low emission trains, we could explore far reaches of the galaxy and the ocean, we could achieve various energy systems beyond coal and oil,
we could achieve improved infrastructure of water systems, effectively bringing water from the ice caps to deserts and we could reduce the waster and
greed of central banking fraud and monetary manipulation in order to allow individuals to own their labor, receive benefits from the labor and end the
vast monopoly of Monarchies and the waste of the Military Industrial complex, secrecy within governments would not be tolerated and we could live free
and prosper with the burdensome waste and taxation of government.
my utopian commune will have all that, plus legal marijuana, unrepressed sexuality and organic food
motto: "live long and prosper, if it feels good do it, no whiners allowed, and that golden rule thing."
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
History Books are not to be trusted.
But you could sure learn something about True life in the 30,s if you were born and rasied on a Dirt Farm in Texas.
skeet:
your texas-dirt-farmer-world-view is just another book not to be trusted. why should we trust your opinion over another? we should trust your
opinion more on basis of your crap posted here?
Pompano and Skeet/Loreto are right about those history books? They're written by journalists with agendas and based on information provided by people
with agendas. That ought to tell you something.
Originally posted by gnukid
Consider that if we were organized, not so distracted and wasteful, we would be able to have anti-magnetic rail lines up and down the country enabling
high speed low emission trains, we could explore far reaches of the galaxy and the ocean, we could achieve various energy systems beyond coal and oil,
we could achieve improved infrastructure of water systems, effectively bringing water from the ice caps to deserts and we could reduce the waster and
greed of central banking fraud and monetary manipulation in order to allow individuals to own their labor, receive benefits from the labor and end the
vast monopoly of Monarchies and the waste of the Military Industrial complex, secrecy within governments would not be tolerated and we could live free
and prosper without the burdensome waste and taxation of government.
If we could plug into your various bodily orifices, we could power the entire universe.
Goat, you don.t seem to understand there is a Difference in Experience and Opinion.
When you walk a Mile and a Half to a little Country School house for 6 years during the 30,s you Experience Cold, Heat, Rattlesnakes, Fights etc. Not
like it is today as a Kid with your Mother driving you to School each Day, if you cut your Finger they call a Counslar, you cannot get your Butt
Spanked because you aere a "Bad: Kid.
Experience vs Opinion
Being a Hobo for about two years i learned about being Hungrey, Cold, Lonely, Scared, Also learned how to survive.
Experienced the Korean War-
What I am trying to get across to you as some of the socalled History books are the Wrtiers way to put across his Own Opinion Not Factual I.e Ward
Churchill,
By the way, I have not seen or heard any Fox News lately. I do try to read several Newspapers that seem to be a little closer to the Truth than the
New York Times,
I try to make up my opinions based on my Experiences in Life, not someonelse.s Opinions.
Everyone's shoes are their own... each must walk life their own shoes .. some have it easy some ... have it very, very hard....
It does make a difference in one's view about life...
Skeet's comes from a life of different experience, which he walked in his shoes, he did not read about any of it... he lived it, ... my father came
from a similar back ground.. he however became a Union man... and a fighter for the under dog..
Remember him taking on the Board of Supervisors in Downey California over the removal of the book Tarzan, cuz they weren't married.. he also fought to
allow the Black Panthers to have their display in the Library, the same as the John Birch society...
Guess that is where I get my, you can do what ever you want to your body, if it is on your own property and does not hurt anyone else... one should
have the "right" to control their own body... think that was what Roe v Wade was about... Government, and/or anyone else... don't come onto my
property and tell me how and what to do... if it only hurts ME... and I will pay my own way if I get sick from doing things to my body.. if it get
really bad.. will get a "bag" and do myself in... but, then that's just me... and apparently there are a lot of folks that disagree with that
approach... now why should I listen .... if it affects only me... I'm not getting into my Bronco, driving after having a few, and I don't shoot up, so
can't do that either.. so the only threat I am ... is to myself, as we most are....
As for Skeets ... he has the right to say what ever he damn well pleases.. if you don't like it... pound sand... I don't agree with everything he
says.. but, I sure in hell don't think he is doing anything but trying to help in his own way...
Buy the way... thanks for your service in Korea War ... and letting us know about your life experiences, as I for one enjoy your input.. cuz, that is
what it's all about...
Take easy pard... don't want you taking a dirt nap over this stuff...
gnukid,
Thanks for the YouTube post of my people! I nearly cried as I watched my long lost tribe engaged in secret Baja Rituals. It was my Kinta Kunte moment
and I am so grateful for it. I knew there was a place for me in Baja! Thanks so much. Such carefree joy, they must be masons of the Oscar Wilde
variety, the world needs more of them!!
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
When you walk a Mile and a Half to a little Country School house for 6 years during the 30,s you Experience Cold, Heat, Rattlesnakes, Fights etc.
1.5 miles, that's nothing, you pussy.
I walked 2.5 miles to school, and some of those school days we smoked a joint on the way
There are so many posts in this string that are really belly busters. I have wanted to put each one in a quote box and comment with these
guys>>>>>
That would be overwhelming, however, because there are just too many of them. So much humor here...even the serious posts are funny! Keep this one
going.
As we grow up and have different experiences in life we, some of us, develop a "Body of Morals" and I am not talking about Bible Stuff.
We learn to Judge our Friends, put up with the differences etc, I developed in not "Cheating, Lying Nor Stealing, I learned Brotherly Love, And Truth.
I wanted all of my Friends and fellow works to be Honest,Trustworthy, dependable.
Then along comes the 60.s with DOPE, If it Feels Good, Just Do it, no Respect for a neighbor or any one else, Protest etc. Including Kent State.
Then came the Generation of Blamers, avoiders of Decesions, Group Protest, Blaming the Southerns for the Blacks Failures, Cussing the Mexicans for
their Ability to work the Fields, doing any thing to Blame others and avoiding their own Responsibility.
Then , here comes a fairly large Group that Blames and Hates anyone who is Rich, not even thinking about those Greedy people who want Bigger Cars,
Bigger Homes, More Clothes, More Food, borrowing Money because Slick Willie talked the Govt. into supporting Them.
Now that groups want me , Poor old Skeet, who worked his Butt off for years, to give them One Half of my Earnings!!!!!!
It just does not make Sense to what I have Learned over the Years.
I think it will come down to the "Survival of the Fitest" and when it does I beleive I will Survive over the DOPERS!!!!
Say Skeets... there may be hope after all.. was shocked to find this on a "search" on Youth
Looks like there is after all HOPE... now what will I have to do... I can't b-tch about anything...
Here is the link, but... it a hard read due to the pages coloring, or at least it was for me..
[url="http://www.monocle.com/monocolumn/2010/03/25/youth-is-wasted-on-the-young/"]Monocolumn Youth is wasted on the young [Monocle][/url]
[SIZE="6"]Youth is wasted on the young[/SIZE]
March 25, 2010 — Tokyo Writer: Fiona Wilson
[SIZE="5"]Bad news for luxury retailers: young Japanese people don’t want to spend money anymore. At least that is the conclusion of a study published
by the Nikkei Research Institute of Industry & Regional Economy.
Hoshigaranai Wakamonotachi (”Young People Who Don’t Want”) by researcher Taku Yamaoka is based on 10 years of research and interviews with young
people which led him to conclude that, unlike their parents, young people don’t want brand-label goods, don’t drive, don’t play sport, don’t drink,
don’t travel, don’t want serious relationships but do like to save and stay at home.
While their parents were busy shopping, playing golf and dedicating their working lives to one employer, young people prefer to grow their own
vegetables, watch the seasons change and do volunteer work. If the previous generation was intent on modernising Japan at high speed, the next one
prefers a slower pace with less consumption.
Yamaoka, whose study was published at the end of last year, is not alone. His work is one of a flurry of books and articles on the same subject. In
Ken Shohi Sedai no Kenkyu (”Study of the anti-consumption generation”), Hisakazu Matsuda paints a similar picture: the children born in Japan’s
high-spending bubble years are saving more and spending less. Job security is an issue but it’s not just about financial restraint – young people
don’t have the appetite for conspicuous consumption. Even if they have the money they don’t want to buy expensive cars or oversized televisions. A
recent edition of the weekly television show Close-Up Gendai was devoted to the subject, reiterating the same points about the frugality of the
twenty-something generation.
Spend any time here and you realise that the habits, fads and fashions of the country’s youth are scrutinised by the media with an almost
anthropological curiosity. Never more so than now when the economy is fragile and people are looking to divine some hint of what the future holds for
Japan. From the rise of NEETs [Not in employment, education or training] to the phenomenon of “herbivorous” men who prefer eating cake and hanging out
with their mothers to long-term relationships, this forensic analysis of the younger generation frequently draws its own conclusions, the underlying
point apparently being that young people don’t have the motivation or the stamina of their parents.
Sociology professor Masahiro Yamada agrees that there’s a generational shift. “There’s no upward mobility now,” he says. “The parents of these
young people weren’t rich – they wanted to be middle class and buy brand name goods. Nowadays those people have earned a good life and their children
don’t want for anything.”
Professor Yamada – who coined the infamous phrase “Parasite Single” to describe the legions of unmarried women who live at home with their parents –
sees the new thriftiness as part of a bigger trend: the increasing conservatism of Japanese youth. Burdened with anxiety about money and jobs, young
people are looking for stability. So they squirrel away their money and become increasingly risk averse.
“They prefer safety to challenges,” he says. “Consumption could be risky so they don’t buy anything. If they go abroad for a year they might not get a
job when they come back. They enjoy a modest life and don’t stretch themselves.” For Yamada this passivity cuts to the heart of Japan’s future as a
creative force. “It’s critical,” he says. “Young Japanese are so docile – if they don’t rebel how will anything new be born?”
Fiona Wilson is Monocle’s Asia Bureau Chief
Bad news for luxury retailers: young Japanese people don’t want to spend money anymore. At least that is the conclusion of a study published by the
Nikkei Research Institute of Industry & Regional Economy.
Hoshigaranai Wakamonotachi (”Young People Who Don’t Want”) by researcher Taku Yamaoka is based on 10 years of research and interviews with young
people which led him to conclude that, unlike their parents, young people don’t want brand-label goods, don’t drive, don’t play sport, don’t drink,
don’t travel, don’t want serious relationships but do like to save and stay at home.
While their parents were busy shopping, playing golf and dedicating their working lives to one employer, young people prefer to grow their own
vegetables, watch the seasons change and do volunteer work. If the previous generation was intent on modernising Japan at high speed, the next one
prefers a slower pace with less consumption.
Yamaoka, whose study was published at the end of last year, is not alone. His work is one of a flurry of books and articles on the same subject. In
Ken Shohi Sedai no Kenkyu (”Study of the anti-consumption generation”), Hisakazu Matsuda paints a similar picture: the children born in Japan’s
high-spending bubble years are saving more and spending less. Job security is an issue but it’s not just about financial restraint – young people
don’t have the appetite for conspicuous consumption. Even if they have the money they don’t want to buy expensive cars or oversized televisions. A
recent edition of the weekly television show Close-Up Gendai was devoted to the subject, reiterating the same points about the frugality of the
twenty-something generation.
Spend any time here and you realise that the habits, fads and fashions of the country’s youth are scrutinised by the media with an almost
anthropological curiosity. Never more so than now when the economy is fragile and people are looking to divine some hint of what the future holds for
Japan. From the rise of NEETs [Not in employment, education or training] to the phenomenon of “herbivorous” men who prefer eating cake and hanging out
with their mothers to long-term relationships, this forensic analysis of the younger generation frequently draws its own conclusions, the underlying
point apparently being that young people don’t have the motivation or the stamina of their parents.
Sociology professor Masahiro Yamada agrees that there’s a generational shift. “There’s no upward mobility now,” he says. “The parents of these young
people weren’t rich – they wanted to be middle class and buy brand name goods. Nowadays those people have earned a good life and their children don’t
want for anything.”
Professor Yamada – who coined the infamous phrase “Parasite Single” to describe the legions of unmarried women who live at home with their parents –
sees the new thriftiness as part of a bigger trend: the increasing conservatism of Japanese youth. Burdened with anxiety about money and jobs, young
people are looking for stability. So they squirrel away their money and become increasingly risk averse.
“They prefer safety to challenges,” he says. “Consumption could be risky so they don’t buy anything. If they go abroad for a year they might not get a
job when they come back. They enjoy a modest life and don’t stretch themselves.” For Yamada this passivity cuts to the heart of Japan’s future as a
creative force. “It’s critical,” he says. “Young Japanese are so docile – if they don’t rebel how will anything new be born?” [/SIZE]
:faint::faint:
Then came the Generation of Blamers, avoiders of Decesions, Group Protest, Blaming the Southerns for the Blacks Failures, Cussing the Mexicans for
their Ability to work the Fields, doing any thing to Blame others and avoiding their own Responsibility.
"Blaming the Southerns for the Blacks Failures," Priceless!
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