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Cypress
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There's a world of difference between having a party and arson. Looks like the canucks are coddeling punks. Remember the old fable, "You knew I was a
snake..."
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Skeet/Loreto
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I am very disappointed in the Actions of the Canadian Fans.
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mtgoat666
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I love the exuberance and impulsiveness of youth!!!!!
Riot on!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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DENNIS
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What is the immigrant situation in Vancouver?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
What is the immigrant situation in Vancouver? |
dennis:
they don't want you 
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DENNIS
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I'm just wondering if there's an element of people up there that don't treat the place like home.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I'm just wondering if there's an element of people up there that don't treat the place like home. |
aha!!!
when in doubt, always blame it on the immigrants!!!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
when in doubt, always blame it on the immigrants!!! |
There's no doubt in L.A.
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shari
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looks like the hoodlems will be found out as they are being exposed on facebook and will be prosecuted...then we will find out who they are and where
they are from...most canadians are embarassed and really pi$$ed at the behavior of a few that trashed the reputation all the great canuck
fans...really stinks and I hope the rabblerousers get punished and have to pay damages. The rioting by some was premeditated and the cops expected it.
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Hooker33
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I suspect that the riot would have happened regardless who won the Stanley Cup. There are no doubt anarchist living in B.C. as there are here in
Seattle, Eugene and San Francisco who look for any opportunity to disrupt any governmental function or celebration.
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DENNIS
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Next time, promise them a parade, a party and some Marshall Law.
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redhilltown
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I think most of the "immigrants" in Vancouver would tend to be Asian? I could be wrong on this but Asian immigrants (yeah yeah, I saw the one pic) are
not known for their riotous behavior in regards to hockey games.
But Canada DOES have some connections back to the U.K. and let's face it, THEY know how to properly riot! Especially when it comes to sporting events.
The whole thing is a damn shame
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Gary Mason
The sad, painful truth about the Vancouver rioters’ true identities
GARY MASON | Columnist profile | E-mail
VANCOUVER— From Saturday's Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Jun. 17, 2011 9:52PM EDT
Last updated Saturday, Jun. 18, 2011 11:22PM EDT
While police and politicians continue to lay the blame for this week’s Stanley Cup riot in Vancouver on professional anarchists and hardened thugs
with deep-seated criminal tendencies, the blogosphere and social networks such as Facebook have been revealing a much more uncomfortable truth.
Many of those who participated in the riot were not these types of people at all. They were, in many instances, the sons and daughters of good,
upstanding citizens who today must still be in shock over what they’ve learned.
The picture of a young man attempting to set a police cruiser on fire by lighting a rag stuffed in its gas tank has received widespread Internet
attention. He’s been identified as an academic all-star who was supposed to be heading to the U.S. in fall on a water polo scholarship.
Water Polo Canada announced Friday that the 17-year-old has been suspended as a member of the junior men’s national team. He has apparently turned
himself into police, although the Vancouver Police Department refused to confirm this.
The parents of another 17-year-old high school student from Burnaby, B.C., forced their son to give himself up after a photo surfaced that showed him
looting a high-end fashion store. A teacher at an area high school told me Friday that students were abuzz over shots posted on Facebook of classmates
riding home on the Canada Line holding items obtained during the looting.
By the time the investigation into this week’s Stanley Cup riot wraps up, there will be dozens of people implicated in the disturbance who do not fit
the narrow profile of the riot perpetrator that public authorities have created. The fact is, it’s easier to blame hooligans and professional
nihilists for what happened than confront the more disturbing possibility that under unique conditions that wonderful teenaged boy who lives next door
is capable of coming unglued.
The identities of many of these young people are now being revealed by others who have recognized them in photos and videos that have surfaced online
or been published by media outlets. This has created some ugly tension of its own.
Those revealing the names of people seen in the photos have, in some cases, been threatened and intimidated by friends of the rioters upset that their
pals have been outed.
Underlying this dynamic, however, is the more pressing reality that we all must begin to grapple with soon. That is that hundreds of otherwise normal,
seemingly well-adjusted kids looked at the riot as an opportunity for a type of social and cultural timeout where the normal rules of behaviour and
social interaction did not apply.
Richard Gruneau, a professor in the school of communications at Simon Fraser University, said Friday that one thing that has struck him about the
continual references to hooligans and anarchists being responsible for most of the damage is the extent to which that characterization papers over the
banality of the bad behaviour.
“It seems pretty clear that those guys jumping up and down on cars, screaming at cops, tearing off shirts and making spectacular displays of their
masculine credentials: ‘Dude, look at me, I actually jumped on a flaming car and everyone cheered,’ are actually the sons of good solid suburban
citizens,” said Prof. Gruneau. “Some of them are likely our students.”
For Prof. Gruneau, watching the riot on television was like watching a bizarre reality television show where the performers kick, punch, destroy and
attempt to steal as much as they can before police close in. Like burro on speed.
While it certainly seems plausible, and maybe even likely, that Wednesday’s riot may have been incited by a small group of insurgents expert at taking
advantage of potentially violent situations, it’s impossible to say exactly how much of the damage was caused by these small-time hoods and losers.
That is, as opposed to that larger and amorphous group of mostly male twenty-somethings (and younger in many cases) with too much booze in their
systems and carrying a repressed need to display their masculine identity.
Many years ago, a study by criminologist Alan Listiak into poor fan behaviour during Grey Cup week suggested that the truly oppressed are often the
least likely to exhibit the kind of actions witnessed in Vancouver this week. Rather, time and again in North America, violent behaviour at festivals
and sporting events tended to be more accurately identified as “middle class blowouts” than rational political protests.
“This riot is not the result of one single factor,” said Prof. Gruneau. “It is an ensemble and certainly far too complicated to explain in a
soundbite. At the very least to say that it had anything to do with hockey as a game leaves far too much out of the account.”
And doesn’t begin to address the question of who was responsible for much of the violence that we witnessed.
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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shari
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interesting and makes sense...drunk middle class kids going nuts!!! OK, I humbly withdraw my hooligan theory...there are gonna be alot of grounded
kids this week.
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DENNIS
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I can't help believe that the reaction has everything to do with the nature of the game itself. Who would not admit that Hockey is a blood sport,
dependent on personal, violent combat for fan approval?!! Who would deny that if the glass barrier, as well as heavy law enforcement were not in
place, the mayhem would take place in the arena as well as in the streets?!!
Destructive social behavior is much more deep-seated than in the game itself, but the game encourages that behavior.....so that's what you get.
When these activities start taking place at Wimbeldon, you'll know Western Civilization is in peril.
Not so much when a result of an Ultimate Fighting event.
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[Edited on 6-19-2011 by DENNIS]
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I'm just wondering if there's an element of people up there that don't treat the place like home. |
aha!!!
when in doubt, always blame it on the immigrants!!! |
Would imagine that all in Canada would be "immigrants" as that is what history shows, at this time ... or is there another theory on how folks got to
the North American continent ... just saying...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Would imagine that all in Canada would be "immigrants" as that is what history shows, at this time ... or is there another theory on how folks got to
the North American continent ... just saying... |
I've been told that about myself and the USA, Wiley, [We're all immigrants] but actually I'm not. Neither were my parents. We are native to the
land as much as any Chyenne, Apache or Iriquois.
Time stands still for no man or thing. We move on.
YANKEE DOODLE
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805gregg
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Just eliminate these phony, city sport teams, and dumb, corny devised contests and all will go away. Why chase a ball (puck) anyway. Who cares? It's
not really important, not important enough to put a SF baseball fan into a comma in LA, not important enough to destroy property of inoccent people in
Vancover. I never watch this BS. I once asked why a friend of mine why he cared, he told me because his bookie bet against him, it made it worth while
to watch.
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
Just eliminate these phony, city sport teams, and dumb, corny devised contests and all will go away. Why chase a ball (puck) anyway. Who cares? It's
not really important, not important enough to put a SF baseball fan into a comma in LA, not important enough to destroy property of inoccent people in
Vancover. I never watch this BS. I once asked why a friend of mine why he cared, he told me because his bookie bet against him, it made it worth while
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If you take away all the weekend sports action on TV, what are guys who don't golf or fish supposed to do with all that free time???
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wessongroup
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My grand father was married to a Cherokee lady ... and even her ancestors got "here" from some place else... as did my wife's Tohono O'odham/Aztec
ancestors ... just saying...
"The Native Americans are widely believed to have come to the Americas via the prehistoric Bering Land Bridge. However, this is not the only theory.
Some archaeologists believe that the migration consisted of seafaring tribes that moved along the coast, avoiding mountainous inland terrain and
highly variable terrestrial ecosystems. Other researchers have postulated an original settlement by skilled navigators from Oceania, though these
American Aborigine people are believed to be nearly extinct. Yet another theory claims an early crossing of the Atlantic Ocean by people originating
in Europe. Many native peoples do not believe the migration theory at all. The creation stories of many tribes place the people in North America from
the beginning of time. Mormon tradition holds that the Native Americans represent one of the lost tribes of Israel.
Based on anthropological evidence, at least three distinct migrations from Siberia occurred. The first wave of migration came into a land populated by
the large mammals of the late Pleistocene epoch, including mammoths, horses, giant sloths, and wooly rhinoceroses. The Clovis culture provides one
example of such immigrants. Later the Folsom culture developed, based on the hunting of bison.
The second immigration wave comprised the Athabascan people, including the ancestors of the Apaches and Navajos; the third wave consisted of the
Inuits, the Yupiks, and the Aleuts, who may have come by sea over the Bering Strait. The Athabascan peoples generally lived in Alaska and western
Canada but some Athabascans migrated south as far as California and the American Southwest, and became the ancestors of tribes now there.
The descendants of the third wave are so ethnically distinct from the remainder of the indigenous inhabitants of the Americas that they are not
usually included in the terms "American Indian" or "First Nations".
In recent years, anthropological evidence of migration has been supplemented by studies based on molecular genetics. The provisional results from this
field suggest that four distinct migrations from Asia occurred; and, most surprisingly, provide evidence of smaller-scale, contemporaneous human
migration from Europe. This suggests that the migrant population, living in Europe at the time of the most recent ice age, adopted a life-style
resembling that lived by Inuits and Yupiks in recent centuries.
In the Mississippi valley of the United States, in Mexico and Central America, and in the Andes of South America Native American civilizations arose
with farming cultures and city-states." google search... on topic
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