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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
Given our current economic and political situation, the only thing that I see the US taking the lead in is corporate greed. It's very hard to build
any kind of an altruistic vision for the betterment of the environment when so many more each year are just struggling to survive being fleeced by a
fascist corporatocracy whose quest to monetize everything, knows no bounds, and reduces every good intention at solving environmental problems into
some kind of scheme to enrich themselves. |
Ooooops, with the sprit of this comment you lost me totally-------I simply don't agree with your thrust here. The things you deride are the core of a
Capitolist System---it's what makes it all work. Do you want to throw out the "system"? I sure don't.
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This is worth a look. It shows the general direction of Arctic temps -
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.inter...
Anyone wanna take bets on where that yellow line ends up in December?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
Given our current economic and political situation, the only thing that I see the US taking the lead in is corporate greed. It's very hard to build
any kind of an altruistic vision for the betterment of the environment when so many more each year are just struggling to survive being fleeced by a
fascist corporatocracy whose quest to monetize everything, knows no bounds, and reduces every good intention at solving environmental problems into
some kind of scheme to enrich themselves. |
Ooooops, with the sprit of this comment you lost me totally-------I simply don't agree with your thrust here. The things you deride are the core of a
Capitolist System---it's what makes it all work. Do you want to throw out the "system"? I sure don't.
barry |
Barry, Do you really think that giant too big to fail, banking conglomerates who manipulate the
monetary and financial system and who are aided, protected, and backstopped by the federal government, really should be the "core" of our economy?
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
I have not branded you Barry, I have bantered with you. Have a good one amigo. I just wanted to throw some sand in the sandbox, haven't been here in a
while. I appreciate what you do for this board, and I am not lying!
Iflyfish |
Hmmmm, I think there is a compliment in there, and for that I am thankful to you, Fish. From your other recent posts in this thread I was not sure.
With a few exceptions, I think we ALL contribute to this Board, and that is why I remain--------after 10 years, you all seem like friends, if you know
what I mean.
I asked my wife of 31 years this morning if she had ever caught me in a lie--------her reply was "NO, and it sometimes drives me up the wall".
Hmmmmm, don't quite know what to think about that reply. 
I do know that I have never caught HER in a lie, and don't believe she does lie.
On edit: "self-deception is the worst form of lying and is cowerdice" says SkipJack------(or words to that effect). Hmmmm, I am not sure that
tracks, but an interesting concept. I will have to think about that one------'cowerdice' is sure a trigger-word.
Barry
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"With a few exceptions, I think we ALL contribute to this Board, and that is why I remain--------after 10 years, you all seem like friends, if you
know what I mean."
Yup, I feel that way too, we are indeed part of each others lives and there are people I have met on this board who have become friends in the "real
world" and have provided me with help when I needed it. For this I am grateful. Over the years I have also enjoyed the intellectual give and take
over this virtual fire pit. Some posts have made me laugh out loud and that is always welcome!
"I asked my wife of 31 years this morning if she had ever caught me in a lie--------her reply was "NO, and it sometimes drives me up the wall".
Hmmmmm, don't quite know what to think about that reply. "
Well Barry my friend, when she asks you 'honey do I look fat in this?" she is not asking if she looks fat in this.....she is asking you to admire and
appreciate her appearance. LIE!!
"self-deception is the worst form of lying and is cowerdice" says SkipJack------(or words to that effect). Hmmmm, I am not sure that tracks, but an
interesting concept. I will have to think about that one------'cowerdice' is sure a trigger-word.
I agree with Skipjacks earlier statement that lying is congenital in human beings. There is plenty of science to back up that statement. This is where
I started to throw sand in the box.
However "saying that self-deception is cowardice" in my view misses the mark. We all use mental mechanisms to protect our sense of self. The term
Cowardice is a critical, judgmental term applied here to a normal human Mental Mechanism that we all use.
If we were not able to use a healthy denial we would be so engaged in dealing with our impending death, the worm at the core of our apple, and could
not attend to the mundane functions of our daily lives. Denial is an unconscious defense mechanism that allows us to move on from something and focus
on more immediate, important things in our lives. Our immanent death is too profound to contemplate so denial helps us to go about living. This is but
one example. Do you think that women would go through the pain of a second child if a certain amount of self-deception was not in play?? "Oh this one
will be easier" etc. There is of course an energetic cost to denial but some times the price is worth it. http://psychology.about.com/od/theoriesofpersonality/ss/defe...
I wonder if Skipjack is talking about a different form of self deception. Certainly denial in extreme can be very destructive as in a situation where
one's spouse is killing them self with alcohol/drugs and you pretend that is not happening. Or when a family member molests you and you block that
experience out of your awareness because you feel bad, guilty, ashamed, powerless etc. and then spend your life as a doormat. This is the downside of
denial or self deception.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
Given our current economic and political situation, the only thing that I see the US taking the lead in is corporate greed. It's very hard to build
any kind of an altruistic vision for the betterment of the environment when so many more each year are just struggling to survive being fleeced by a
fascist corporatocracy whose quest to monetize everything, knows no bounds, and reduces every good intention at solving environmental problems into
some kind of scheme to enrich themselves. |
Ooooops, with the sprit of this comment you lost me totally-------I simply don't agree with your thrust here. The things you deride are the core of a
Capitolist System---it's what makes it all work. Do you want to throw out the "system"? I sure don't.
barry |
Barry, Do you really think that giant too big to fail, banking conglomerates who manipulate the
monetary and financial system and who are aided, protected, and backstopped by the federal government, really should be the "core" of our economy?
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Well said Monoloco, that ain't loco at all. I thought that the core principals of the country were not to support Capitalism, an economic system.
Preamble to the Declaration of Independence:
"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and
to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect
to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
Preamble to the Constitution:
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common
defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution
for the United States of America..
I don't read the term Capitalism anywhere in these document, do you?
The premise that Laissez-faire Capitalism is the solution to all social and domestic problems is simplistic and absurd, this is the fatal flaw of
Libertarianism. There has NEVER been a Libertarian Nation in all of history, that is because it is an INTELLECTUAL ideal and not a practical way to
deal with issues promoting the COMMON GOOD.
In Libertarianism we find a denial of the need for cooperative activity that promoted the health and welfare of ALL of the citizens. We need a common
currency (my family once owned bank and printed their own) roads, bridges, fire departments, schools, a health care system, first responders, rules
about driving, money to fix pot holes, rules and enforcement of rules related to commerce, money to protect the public health and environment.
The fatal flaw of Capitalism is that wealth accrues to a few and eventually, like Monopoly, someone ends up owning it all. This is what is happening
in the US as we speak and it is fomenting social unrest....see Tea Party and We are the 99%. The Tea Party is better organized by it's political
operatives, the 99% lack organization, the frustration is the same, the corruptness and inequity of the system where Corporate profits have soared and
workers wages and working conditions have deteriorated with the demise of the Union movement.
When Free Boot Capitalism is left unfettered then rebellion ensues...see China prior to Mao. Eventually the people rise up to oppose the oppression
and to fight for social and economic justice, it usually doesn't work and another set of crooks takes over and starts the next round of Monopoly.
The fatal flaw of Socialism is that with central planning all people are provided with enough to meet their needs, creativity and enterprise are
sniffled as there is no reward for innovation....see Russia in the 1950's.
This is why MIXED economies exist, to stabilize these contradictory forces. The issue is how much of a mix works in a society.
Iflyfishwavingaflagofpeace
[Edited on 9-16-2013 by Iflyfish]
[Edited on 9-16-2013 by Iflyfish]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
CO2 is not a pollutant, CO2 is a good thing |
Take a look at what happens when the oceans absorb man-made CO2 -
http://apps.seattletimes.com/reports/sea-change/2013/sep/11/...
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bajadogs: more liberal lies!
give me more CO2! can never get enough diet Coke and club soda!
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David K
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So, I will ask again... will the larger ice pack (60% bigger this summer over last summer) improve fishing in Baja? I think one person replied with
his opinion that it was too far away to affect Baja. I don't agree, because at least one Baja native animal (the gray whales) spend half the year near
the Arctic.
Is a bigger Ice Pack a GOOD thing? Or, (as I suspect) is it more important to suppress good news and continue with the bad
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Is a bigger Ice Pack a GOOD thing? Or, (as I suspect) is it more important to suppress good news and continue with the bad
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Yes, David, it's better to suppress the good news...blah, blah, blah....you have been doing it for some time now.
The economy is getting better although a bit slower than it could be. I wonder
how a potential shut down of the government might affect the economy
As for your original question, it has no effect on Baja. So why in the world did you bring it up....unless of course you were trying to make a
political statement
[Edited on 9-17-2013 by Bajaboy]
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Nice attempt at turning this political... let me return to the original question portion of your reply:
Why won't more ice be good for fish in Baja waters?
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
Given our current economic and political situation, the only thing that I see the US taking the lead in is corporate greed. It's very hard to build
any kind of an altruistic vision for the betterment of the environment when so many more each year are just struggling to survive being fleeced by a
fascist corporatocracy whose quest to monetize everything, knows no bounds, and reduces every good intention at solving environmental problems into
some kind of scheme to enrich themselves. |
Ooooops, with the sprit of this comment you lost me totally-------I simply don't agree with your thrust here. The things you deride are the core of a
Capitolist System---it's what makes it all work. Do you want to throw out the "system"? I sure don't.
barry |
Barry, Do you really think that giant too big to fail, banking conglomerates who manipulate the
monetary and financial system and who are aided, protected, and backstopped by the federal government, really should be the "core" of our economy?
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Well said Monoloco, that ain't loco at all. I thought that the core principals of the country were not to support Capitalism, an economic system.
Preamble to the Declaration of Independence:
"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and
to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect
to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
Preamble to the Constitution:
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common
defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution
for the United States of America..
I don't read the term Capitalism anywhere in these document, do you?
The premise that Laissez-faire Capitalism is the solution to all social and domestic problems is simplistic and absurd, this is the fatal flaw of
Libertarianism. There has NEVER been a Libertarian Nation in all of history, that is because it is an INTELLECTUAL ideal and not a practical way to
deal with issues promoting the COMMON GOOD.
In Libertarianism we find a denial of the need for cooperative activity that promoted the health and welfare of ALL of the citizens. We need a common
currency (my family once owned bank and printed their own) roads, bridges, fire departments, schools, a health care system, first responders, rules
about driving, money to fix pot holes, rules and enforcement of rules related to commerce, money to protect the public health and environment.
The fatal flaw of Capitalism is that wealth accrues to a few and eventually, like Monopoly, someone ends up owning it all. This is what is happening
in the US as we speak and it is fomenting social unrest....see Tea Party and We are the 99%. The Tea Party is better organized by it's political
operatives, the 99% lack organization, the frustration is the same, the corruptness and inequity of the system where Corporate profits have soared and
workers wages and working conditions have deteriorated with the demise of the Union movement.
When Free Boot Capitalism is left unfettered then rebellion ensues...see China prior to Mao. Eventually the people rise up to oppose the oppression
and to fight for social and economic justice, it usually doesn't work and another set of crooks takes over and starts the next round of Monopoly.
The fatal flaw of Socialism is that with central planning all people are provided with enough to meet their needs, creativity and enterprise are
sniffled as there is no reward for innovation....see Russia in the 1950's.
This is why MIXED economies exist, to stabilize these contradictory forces. The issue is how much of a mix works in a society.
Iflyfishwavingaflagofpeace
[Edited on 9-16-2013 by Iflyfish]
[Edited on 9-16-2013 by Iflyfish] |
Pure capitalism may well indeed be the best form of government, but how
would we know? As far as I can tell it's never been tried, at least in the last couple of hundred years, and maybe never. It's not a free market when
governments pick winners and losers.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
y'all should read "Hot, Flat and Crowded."
My 2 cents: the USA can either be in the fore-front of a green revolution, or be playing catch-up in some other country's dust!
of course, you can stick your head in the sand and keep repeating: "lies, lies, lies!" |
More on "Climate Change" and "global warming".
http://washingtonexaminer.com/global-warming-report-could-ba...
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So the Wall Street Journal says man-made global warming is on the rise because of CO2 emissions, just not as fast as predicted 4 years ago.
Are they lying or are we causing climate change?
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don't know but the Washington Examiner really could use a "win"!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
"self-deception is the worst form of lying and is cowerdice" says SkipJack------(or words to that effect). Hmmmm, I am not sure that tracks, but an
interesting concept. I will have to think about that one------'cowerdice' is sure a trigger-word.
I agree with Skipjacks earlier statement that lying is congenital in human beings. There is plenty of science to back up that statement. This is where
I started to throw sand in the box.
However "saying that self-deception is cowardice" in my view misses the mark. We all use mental mechanisms to protect our sense of self. The term
Cowardice is a critical, judgmental term applied here to a normal human Mental Mechanism that we all use.
If we were not able to use a healthy denial we would be so engaged in dealing with our impending death, the worm at the core of our apple, and could
not attend to the mundane functions of our daily lives. Denial is an unconscious defense mechanism that allows us to move on from something and focus
on more immediate, important things in our lives. Our immanent death is too profound to contemplate so denial helps us to go about living. This is but
one example. Do you think that women would go through the pain of a second child if a certain amount of self-deception was not in play?? "Oh this one
will be easier" etc. There is of course an energetic cost to denial but some times the price is worth it. http://psychology.about.com/od/theoriesofpersonality/ss/defe...
I wonder if Skipjack is talking about a different form of self deception. Certainly denial in extreme can be very destructive as in a situation where
one's spouse is killing them self with alcohol/drugs and you pretend that is not happening. Or when a family member molests you and you block that
experience out of your awareness because you feel bad, guilty, ashamed, powerless etc. and then spend your life as a doormat. This is the downside of
denial or self deception.
Iflyfishconmiamigos |
A couple of things:
A. First I wish to say how much I admire Ken Bondy for not accepting a self delusional attitude about the hereafter to make it less difficult. He has
indirectly implied that I'm a coward on this issue and I agree.
B. When I was thinking of self deception as the worst form of lying it has to do with conscience. If there is no remorse then go for it I guess. It
seems to me that some of the most respected figures in history such as Julius Caesar, Napoleon, and Genghis Khan achieved their greatness through
murder and deception. But the difference was that they were true to themselves in those acts. They felt comfortable doing these deeds because of their
ultimate goals. Che Guevara falls into that group. Trotsky, etc.
In the novel "Crime and Punishment" the protagonist convinces himself that the ideal and superior being is capable of commiting crimes to suit his
ends because there are different classes of people in this world. The strong can and should use the weak. After the crime has been commited he is
endlessly tormented from within. Horrific nightmares appear every night. In the end he discovers that he wasn't the man he wanted to be and had
deluded himself all along. That's my example of lying to one's self about who we are.
P.S. That's why I never comb my hair.
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[Edited on 9-17-2013 by baitcast]
Anyone can catch fish in a boat but only \"El Pescador Grande\" can get them from the beach.
I hope when my time comes the old man will let me bring my rod and the water will be warm and clear.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
"self-deception is the worst form of lying and is cowerdice" says SkipJack------(or words to that effect). Hmmmm, I am not sure that tracks, but an
interesting concept. I will have to think about that one------'cowerdice' is sure a trigger-word.
I agree with Skipjacks earlier statement that lying is congenital in human beings. There is plenty of science to back up that statement. This is where
I started to throw sand in the box.
However "saying that self-deception is cowardice" in my view misses the mark. We all use mental mechanisms to protect our sense of self. The term
Cowardice is a critical, judgmental term applied here to a normal human Mental Mechanism that we all use.
If we were not able to use a healthy denial we would be so engaged in dealing with our impending death, the worm at the core of our apple, and could
not attend to the mundane functions of our daily lives. Denial is an unconscious defense mechanism that allows us to move on from something and focus
on more immediate, important things in our lives. Our immanent death is too profound to contemplate so denial helps us to go about living. This is but
one example. Do you think that women would go through the pain of a second child if a certain amount of self-deception was not in play?? "Oh this one
will be easier" etc. There is of course an energetic cost to denial but some times the price is worth it. http://psychology.about.com/od/theoriesofpersonality/ss/defe...
I wonder if Skipjack is talking about a different form of self deception. Certainly denial in extreme can be very destructive as in a situation where
one's spouse is killing them self with alcohol/drugs and you pretend that is not happening. Or when a family member molests you and you block that
experience out of your awareness because you feel bad, guilty, ashamed, powerless etc. and then spend your life as a doormat. This is the downside of
denial or self deception.
Iflyfishconmiamigos |
A couple of things:
A. First I wish to say how much I admire Ken Bondy for not accepting a self delusional attitude about the hereafter to make it less difficult. He has
indirectly implied that I'm a coward on this issue and I agree.
B. When I was thinking of self deception as the worst form of lying it has to do with conscience. If there is no remorse then go for it I guess. It
seems to me that some of the most respected figures in history such as Julius Caesar, Napoleon, and Genghis Khan achieved their greatness through
murder and deception. But the difference was that they were true to themselves in those acts. They felt comfortable doing these deeds because of their
ultimate goals. Che Guevara falls into that group. Trotsky, etc.
In the novel "Crime and Punishment" the protagonist convinces himself that the ideal and superior being is capable of commiting crimes to suit his
ends because there are different classes of people in this world. The strong can and should use the weak. After the crime has been commited he is
endlessly tormented from within. Horrific nightmares appear every night. In the end he discovers that he wasn't the man he wanted to be and had
deluded himself all along. That's my example of lying to one's self about who we are.
P.S. That's why I never comb my hair.
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Always a pleasure to kick it around with you!
I appreciate your tip of the hat to Bondy. Bondy and Sims present compelling cases for the magical thinking and mass delusion that is Religion. Since
"belief" is so hard wired, once formed, and once formed one sees the "truth" of it all around, it's a very hard delusion to shake. Belief once formed
trumps science and reason every time and this is why we see so much science denial at this time, science is actually trumping religion, and it's
threat generates more and more delusional defenses.
I appreciate your bringing Dostoyevsky into the discussion, his work is a fascinating look at the issue of "Crime and Punishment"
I think that most of us "normal neurotics" lie and have a conscience and experience guilt. This is healthy and pro-social adaptation. There are
however human beings born with out a conscience, feel no shame and to them other people are object to be manipulated and used, then thrown away. These
people are called Sociopaths and Psychopaths. These people know how to look good and to acquire power. They are ruthless in their pursuit of power.
Therefore they easily rise to the top of Corporations and Government over the bodies of the competition that they have adroitly destroyed.
Having studied Philosophy and Psychology I think that Psychology trumps in this case. All lies are not created equal. Telling my pudgy wife that she
looks good in a tight dress is of an entirely different magnitude than Lyndon Johnson making up the Gulf of Tonkin Incident or George Bush/ and his
Psychopathic sidekick Dick Chaney telling us about Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction. In the former my wife risks some askance glances from her
female buddies in the latter scores of thousands of people were killed and millions displaced by their arrogance.
Iflyfish
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Damn !!!! I promised David K. several weeks ago that I would not react and attack him for his political views. 
That was the truth....and I am not lying when I say how difficult it is to keep that "truth".
I am feeling good about my progress and commitment so far ...despite numerous urges to follow that historical pattern imprinted on my cortex 
Don't believe everything you think....
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*Can't we just discuss the ice pack getting bigger the very year some said it would be gone?
*Can't we be happy that nature is stronger than man, but that man can learn from his mistakes and do better?
*Can't we see that climate changes, and it is a NATURAL thing, and raising taxes does not change it one way or another.
*Can't we be adult enough to have different opinions and listen to each other without getting upset or nasty?
*Can't we just enjoy reading Baja Nomad to see and enjoy each other's contributions?
Thank you for participating in this thread... I really thought everyone would welcome the news of more ice instead of no ice this past August,
compared to the year before.    
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
*Can't we just discuss the ice pack getting bigger the very year some said it would be gone?
*Can't we be happy that nature is stronger than man, but that man can learn from his mistakes and do better?
*Can't we see that climate changes, and it is a NATURAL thing, and raising taxes does not change it one way or another.
*Can't we be adult enough to have different opinions and listen to each other without getting upset or nasty?
*Can't we just enjoy reading Baja Nomad to see and enjoy each other's contributions?
Thank you for participating in this thread... I really thought everyone would welcome the news of more ice instead of no ice this past August,
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So, let me get this right. It's ok for you to make unsubstantiated statements like you did about Reagan and taxes and I am supposed to not refute them
with facts? Just checking.
I wish I could share your enthusiasm about more ice pack this year. Can I be glad about that and still not see this particular individual finding as
evidence that global warming is a hoax perpetrated on the public by Al Gore?
Is it ok If I believe, as a majority of scientists who study the phenomenon do, that we will see the affects of GLOBAL temperature rise by
increasingly dramatic weather events i.e. more hurricanes, torential rains, tornadoes, warming ocean currents, rising sea levels? If it's ok for me
to believe the overwhelming findings of climatologists then I assume you can see why i and others may not share your enthusiasm any more than we would
be enthusiastic about a grossly obese person refusing an extra cookie.
Is it ok for you to post statements that are not true and then change the subject and not respond to the corrections? A simple 'Thank you" would be
appreciated by this writer, who is helping you not to appear so ignorant by repeating untrue statements. Consider it a gift amigo.
Iflyfish
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