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i have been checking my mail box every day, but i still haven't received my reality check.
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Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert  |
Why are you comparing Washington state wages of $10 per hour to San Quintin wages?
Mexico’s federal government agreed to pay part of the workers’ wages in order to meet their demands for a minimum daily wage of 200 pesos, or about
$13. PER DAY.
You are constantly pinging on others for comparing Mexico crime rates to those in the USA.
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God I hate it when member copy long posts, instead of just posting what they want to talk about.
I'm not comparing Washington's pay rate to San Quintin wages?
Washington farm workers make in one hour what San Quintin workers make in 12 hour work day!
What I'm comparing is the same labor unrest in Washington and San Quintin, it's almost exactly the same complaints, low wages, long hours with no OT,
bad treatment by managers, firing of workers when they speak up, and horrible living conditions that aren't fit for animals, let alone humans.
What I'm really comparing is the public relation types work, these deep pocket growers use to sway public relations, including social media.
I'm not sure what you mean here, " You are constantly pinging on others for comparing Mexico crime rates to those in the USA."
I complain about those who constantly post negative news about Mexico, and Baja, to make Mexico seem like a war zone, when it really isn't, and the
vast majority of homicides in Mexico are drug related in certain parts of Mexico, not the whole country, and homicides are in areas where tourists
usually don't visit.
Wesson posted there in the OT there were 29 dead in Baltimore over the holiday weekend.
How come, there weren't the same warnings about visiting Baltimore, that we hear about visiting a city like Tijuana, that recently had a marked
increased in homicides these last two months.
You think anybody is actually afraid to visit Baltimore, like they might be scared to visit Tijuana?
Oh I almost forgot the 200 peso promise the Governor make is not likely to happen for a variety of reasons, including legal issues.
[Edited on 5-27-2015 by JoeJustJoe]
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Think many already know ... not to visit Baltimore, at this time ...pretty much the same for Gaza and other locations ... and I believe there are
"Travel Warnings" for parts of Mexico
Say, were those Cartel killings in Baltimore .. just asking 
As stated, I support Unions and/or the Farm Workers, always have ... period ... My father was a farm worker in the depression and my wife's
grandfather was a farm worker ... and died in Salinas, in the early 70s while still a farm worker, her grandmother worked in the "Garment District" in
LA... non union and for "piece work"
[Edited on 5-27-2015 by wessongroup]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe |
I complain about those who constantly post negative news about Mexico, and Baja, to make Mexico seem like a war zone, when it really isn't, and the
vast majority of homicides in Mexico are drug related in certain parts of Mexico, not the whole country, and homicides are in areas where tourists
usually don't visit.
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Glad many don't visit Alcapulco, TJ, La Paz, and on...and on. Let face it. Mexico is a corrupt, crime ridden, 3rd world country. I know their
are police shakedowns, property theft, bribes, etc everyday in Baltimore as well. Hey Joe. I don't live Baltimore for a reason.
Go at your own risk....
[Edited on 5-28-2015 by BajaNomad]
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| Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup | Think many already know ... not to visit Baltimore, at this time ...pretty much the same for Gaza and other locations ... and I believe there are
"Travel Warnings" for parts of Mexico
Say, were those Cartel killings in Baltimore .. just asking
As stated, I support Unions and/or the Farm Workers, always have ... period ... My father was a farm worker in the depression and my wife's
grandfather was a farm worker ... and died in Salinas, in the early 70s while still a farm worker, her grandmother worked in the "Garment District" in
LA... non union and for "piece work"
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Does it matter if there was cartel activity in Baltimore? 29 dead is surely more dead on a long weekend than were killed in Tijuana, yet there are no
calls for travel alerts, advisories, or warning of caution in Baltimore like we have in certain areas of Mexico.
However, there has been a few warnings about Ferguson and St Louis the last few months, like the warning from France for it's citizens traveling to
the US.
French warned travelers to avoid Ferguson area
I would also guess those 29 killings in Baltimore were mostly gang related that was fueled by drugs.
Wesson spare me the personal commercials about you and your family, because you know what I think of them, and your pro union stance from past
statements seem to support both sides of unionizing, where you pretty much said, in a John Kerry way, that you were for unions, before you were
against unions.
So what I would like to here from you Wesson is a direct answer, do you support the farm workers in the San Quintin valley over the growers? It's
not a trick question, it should be an easy yes or no answer.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | There was just Texas and Alta California... all the land west of Texas was Alta California, and that was divided into the new states (territories
first, ex. California which never was a territory before statehood).
The other issue was that while part of Mexico, the region of Alta California (and Baja California, too) was ignored or poorly governed by Mexico City.
Americans were immigrating in and even before the Mexican War, Alta California residents considered leaving Mexico or even becoming part of England.
I highly recommend these books to get a better understanding of events before statehood:
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David,
in those early years many countries did not have the resources to govern all their land holdings. They were just territory. In the US no different
than in Mexico. Oregon, for example, was territory for many years before it became a state (1859). Baja California became a state very late in 1953
[Edited on 5-27-2015 by 4x4abc]
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I didn't qualify my statement ... what is it that YOU don't understand about supporting Unions and Farmworkers
And that i have personal knowledge and/or experience with Unions and Farmworkers appears to trouble you, for some strange reason
When working for CalEPA and the EPA ... we in fact developed Worker Safety Laws and regulations to PROTECT both the workers the general public and the
environment ..... pound sand and get over it Pete
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Wesson this isn't the OT, so quit trolling.
I'll ask again, it's a very specific question in regards to the farm workers in San Quintin vs the growers today. I ask again because of your changing
views towards unions, and the fact you're on many social media sites, and I haven't seen any posts from you supporting the San Quintin farm workers.
Please leave the personal commercials out of it. That doesn't impress me, and I have no way of knowing if it's true or not.
Here is the question again.
So what I would like to here from you Wesson is a direct answer, do you support the farm workers in the San Quintin valley over the growers?
It's not a trick question, it should be an easy yes or no answer.
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Asked and answered ... as for trolling ... you started it
| Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup | I didn't qualify my statement ... what is it that YOU don't understand about supporting Unions and Farmworkers
And that i have personal knowledge and/or experience with Unions and Farmworkers appears to trouble you, for some strange reason
When working for CalEPA and the EPA ... we in fact developed Worker Safety Laws and regulations to PROTECT both the workers the general public and the
environment ..... pound sand and get over it Pete
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would add, that both sides have to be taken into consideration in a situation like this ... there are always good growers, not all are bad ...
regardless of nationality and/or location
| Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup | Think many already know ... not to visit Baltimore, at this time ...pretty much the same for Gaza and other locations ... and I believe there are
"Travel Warnings" for parts of Mexico
Say, were those Cartel killings in Baltimore .. just asking
As stated, I support Unions and/or the Farm Workers, always have ... period ... My father was a farm worker in the depression and my
wife's grandfather was a farm worker ... and died in Salinas, in the early 70s while still a farm worker, her grandmother worked in the "Garment
District" in LA... non union and for "piece work"
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[Edited on 5-28-2015 by wessongroup]
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These pay structures are nearly imposable to meet for the average farm worker. The number of units to required for these so called bonuses are often
set so high....it simple cannot be meet by the field worker. Extreme long hours (more than 12hours per day) and heavier field loads is what's
required. It's pure bull......these Sakiuma Bros. PR statements.
Picking berries (not strawberries) can consume up to an hour to harvest a flat.......and no one gets paid $33 for a flat. No one. That worker would
have to get three flats per hour....or work 14-16 hours per day to get maybe $14 on the scam of pay structures.....all this working in the hot hell of
the day.
Hopefully I wont get the stupid cartoons for participation in this post....
| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe |
Sakuma Bros. offering large pay incentive for farmworkers
Sakuma Bros. Farms has introduced a new pay structure in which farmworkers can earn up to $27 an hour with a base pay of $10 an hour, but a labor
group that has been battling with Sakuma for a couple of years doesn’t like the plan.
New CEO Danny Weeden* said the workers will receive $10 an hour with the potential to earn a production bonus of up to $17 an hour, based on the
number of pounds picked for strawberry and blueberry crops.
Later in the season during the blackberry harvest, workers could earn up $33 an hour because blackberries are more difficult to pick, he said.
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[Edited on 5-28-2015 by mcfez]
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How many people does Sakuma employ in the San Quintin area?
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What interesting to me is the Sakuma brothers grew up farming and picking berries at around the age of 8, and the family was even interned after Japan
attacked Pearl Harbor, but they were lucky and got their farm back.
You would think they might have sympathy towards the Mexican farm workers, in Washington, but then again, since they endured such harsh conditions
themselves, they might like children who suffered from battered child syndrome, and perhaps as adults they repeat those same negative harsh
conditions/ behaviors on their employees.
Oh I think what's happening on the "Sakuma Bros" is relevant, to show the same exact thing that was going on in the states is now going on in the San
Quintin, and you have the same players like Driscoll's that is doing more and more business in Mexico to escape the labor laws, union activities, and
higher wages in California. Now Washington as been the battleground the last few years, where slowly conditions are getting better for the farm
workers, and labor laws toughened, although many employees ended up getting fired for speaking out.
You also have the fact that Sakuma Bros seems to be exploiting the H-2A federal guest worker, to break the labor unions, to break the long time
Mexican workers with papers, in an attempt to keep the wages very low and not being forced to pay overtime.
The H2A Federal guest worker program is also being abused in high tech industries, as a way to keep wages low in high tech fields.
| Quote: Originally posted by mcfez | These pay structures are nearly imposable to meet for the average farm worker. The number of units to required for these so called bonuses are often
set so high....it simple cannot be meet by the field worker. Extreme long hours (more than 12hours per day) and heavier field loads is what's
required. It's pure bull......these Sakiuma Bros. PR statements.
Picking berries (not strawberries) can consume up to an hour to harvest a flat.......and no one gets paid $33 for a flat. No one. That worker would
have to get three flats per hour....or work 14-16 hours per day to get maybe $14 on the scam of pay structures.....all this working in the hot hell of
the day.
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Highlights from the article:
Sakuma speaks up: Farm labor pariah defends his family’s business
Steve Sakuma knows everything about this farm.
He can tell you how his father got it started, how his son runs it now and what he hopes future generations will do with it.
A Hard History
Sakuma Bros. wasn’t always such a big company, and the labor equation used to be a lot simpler.
Steve Sakuma was born grew up on the farm in the late 1940s, when berries were mostly picked by kids. There were more than 1,000 young people from
around Skagit Valley working in the fields back then.
“If you were a kid, 8 years old and up, you were out on the field. If you wanted a social life in the summer time, you were out on the field,” Sakuma
says. “You were out there 14 hours a day, seven days a week from the day you got out of school until the day you got back.”
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Four of the eight Sakuma brothers were living and working at the Burlington farm by 1941 — when the Japanese military attacked Pearl Harbor.
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By May, the brothers in Burlington were interned as well. Atsusa Sakuma found a neighboring family to look after the farm.
Six of the eight brothers were drafted in the U.S. military straight out the camps. And unlike many other Japanese Americans, when they returned, they
got their property back and kept on farming.
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“The labor unrest is not about Sakuma,” Sakuma’s son and farm president Ryan Sakuma said in an open letter in October. “It’s about labor activists’
opposition to a federal guest worker program.”
The H-2A federal guest worker program allows agricultural companies to bring in workers from other countries to fill temporary labor shortages.
Sakuma Bros. Farms used the program to bring in more than 150 Mexican guest workers for the harvest last summer. As a requirement of the program, they
had to pay an elevated minimum wage of $12 per hour to both the guest workers and the locals they hired.
read the rest here:
http://seattleglobalist.com/2014/02/10/sakuma-speaks-farm-la...
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I live in berry country up here in Washington State, and the living conditions have improved somewhat over the last few years. But like with anything,
there's plenty of room for improvement!
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Maybe you in that area could emulate what the Sakuma family is doing in San Quintin?
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I'm already an activist in many other causes!
But thanks for the suggestion, what about you, how are you improving society and/or the planet?
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Like you, many causes....very many...Nothing in San Quintin tho, and that's what this thread is all about, eh?
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like any good conversation - it sometimes wonders off. What's with looking a a few related issues?
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You can always sign the United Farm Worker" petition if you want to help. So that's doing something.
Admittedly, these kinds of petitions work better, if you're trying to get rid of somebody, like a Glen Beck, where the sponsors of "Fox News" were
contacted, causing them to become alarmed, which in turned, caused the sponsors to threaten to pull their advertising if Beck's show wasn't pulled.
Sure enough it worked, and there are other examples, where this kind of petition drives have been successful.
So this can work, if enough complaints are heard by US companies like Walmart, Krogers, Albertsons/Safeway, and others.
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United Farm Worker
Sign the petition to support striking Baja Calif. farm workers
For the past 6 days, farm workers in Baja Norte’s San Quintín Valley have been on strike denouncing abysmally low wages, 12-hour days with no
overtime, obligatory 7-day work weeks, and maltreatment. Worker Ana López says, “It is time for us to stand up… There are people who think that
because we come from pueblos, we are ignorant about our rights.”
The United Farm Workers of America is standing in solidarity with the workers from San Quintín and we ask that our supporters do the same. Ana works
for Driscoll supplier Berrymex, whom workers claim that in addition to violating wage and hour laws, also fails to pay into workers’ social security
(which is supposed to give workers access to healthcare and a pension), leaving them with nothing when they go to make a claim.
Demand that the grocery retail industry hold powerful agribusiness companies such as Driscoll accountable. Please sign this petition. We will be
turning this in to top grocery retailers around the country, including Walmart, Krogers, and Albertsons/Safeway.
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Dear retailer,
I am appalled by reports coming out of the export ag region of San Quintín in Baja CA. Having learned that workers receive such low wages that they
often cannot afford to feed their families a decent meal everyday, I cannot stand by and do nothing. I implore you to hold your suppliers accountable
for abiding by the law, paying decent wages, and treating their workers with dignity. I believe worker testimony claiming that Driscoll growers are
failing miserably in this regard. I ask that you demand more from them.
http://action.ufw.org/page/s/baja
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I might suggest self immolation. Works for the Tibetans.
The harder I work, the luckier I get
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I thought that was the Buddhists in Vietnam..or Bakersfield
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