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[*] posted on 8-22-2018 at 11:53 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  


Russ, of Punta Chivato sunrise photos fame, relayed the original incident from one of his neighbors at Punta Chivato....
This neighbor happens to be the HOA jefe there
I don't know if Russ is part of the HOA or not but feel confident he is pals with him.

Mr Bowers may have taken a "don't get involved" posture and just let it lie, other than passing the incident details to Russ.
Many people don't feel comfortable with spreading incidents they have been involved in and that in NO WAY makes them "stoneless"
It's highly insulting to claim a lack of stones, when you are totally clueless who the man is.

Do you really feel that Russ, with his stellar creds on this site, would relay what he felt as hyperbole and a sham story to stir hate and discontent within this site?

Without a doubt, Russ has light years more creds than you Joe.

Your opinion is yours...take off the Joe Friday suit and rant on about how the establishment keeps their jackboots on your neck.

[Edited on 8-22-2018 by DaliDali]


If Mr Bowers may have taken a "don't get involved" posture, then we should not get involved in his alleged incident


Yet here you are....involved up to your eyeballs in this incident.

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[*] posted on 8-22-2018 at 12:49 PM


If the victims are smart, they would ignore the internet critics and trolls.
Why does anyone here think the victim is obligated to post here?




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[*] posted on 8-22-2018 at 02:39 PM


This site is so funny sometimes (always good for a laugh). I am beginning to wonder about any credentials just because your a long-term member here...Seems to work in the reverse... People here get so personal with people they do not know on one of the most impersonal of items a keyboard and monitor (or smart phone)
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[*] posted on 8-22-2018 at 10:03 PM


Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  

One of the biggest whoppers members tell on forums, is that they were ex-LE, and most of the time we find out it's not true.


I've been posting here awhile and haven't seen any whoppers. Who are you referring to Joe? How would you know someone wasn't LE? Why would nomads lie about that?

As far as check points planting drugs, I expect it. I've been accused, at the infamous checkpoint, of having cannabis, which I didn't have. I was sick, had a sick dog, windows rolled up, and had a couple pounds of roasted coffee in burlap sacks. Guess that smells like pot. They spent a long time going through everything before giving up. They told my friend in a car behind me they smelled pot but couldn't find it.




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[*] posted on 8-23-2018 at 12:24 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Lee  


I've been posting here awhile and haven't seen any whoppers. Who are you referring to Joe? How would you know someone wasn't LE? Why would nomads lie about that?

As far as check points planting drugs, I expect it. I've been accused, at the infamous checkpoint, of having cannabis, which I didn't have. I was sick, had a sick dog, windows rolled up, and had a couple pounds of roasted coffee in burlap sacks. Guess that smells like pot. They spent a long time going through everything before giving up. They told my friend in a car behind me they smelled pot but couldn't find it.



You got to be kidding Lee, that you haven't seen any whoppers!

I'm not going to embarrass any member in the main area on "BN," but I could usually tell the BS from a mile away. One member of BN use to claim he was ex-LE, but seemed to have no idea when a cop could use deadly force, but seem to know what probably cause was, however he was about clueless reasonable suspicion, where cops often use to justify searches, but the public is usually unaware about reasonable suspicion.

It goes without saying Military Posers, are an epidemic, so much so, they tried to pass a "stolen valor" law a few years backs, only to have it overturned on free speech grounds, by the Supreme Court.

Please don't ask why would Nomads lie about that. I see this type of question a lot, and my answer is always, they make up stories about themselves for various reasons, and since the internet is largely anonymous, they can claim anything.

Here is a headline, about military posers, and believe me, you see LE posers on forums, and group sites all the time. You also see when when a debate is taking place, sometimes members claim special status of working in the certain field where the debate is taking place.....it's like they are saying, "stand back, I'm the expert here."

Military Posers Are 'An Epidemic,' Says Soldier Who Outs Them

So Lee, when you pass a check point you expect them to plant something on you? That sounds a little paranoid, however, I don't expect things to be planted on me, but I'm always on high alert, and always watching my belongings and them.

So I really don't need to hear alleged stories online.







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[*] posted on 8-23-2018 at 12:35 PM


Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by Lee  


I've been posting here awhile and haven't seen any whoppers. Who are you referring to Joe? How would you know someone wasn't LE? Why would nomads lie about that?

As far as check points planting drugs, I expect it. I've been accused, at the infamous checkpoint, of having cannabis, which I didn't have. I was sick, had a sick dog, windows rolled up, and had a couple pounds of roasted coffee in burlap sacks. Guess that smells like pot. They spent a long time going through everything before giving up. They told my friend in a car behind me they smelled pot but couldn't find it.



So I really don't need to hear alleged stories online.


And yet several days later, after the original post.......you're STILL here sucking it all in.

Just resign from here.....do us all a favor.
Now you beating up the Vets......major assumptions about some stolen valor and reasonable suspicion......a full Joe Friday detective you make Joe.

What a pimp......




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[*] posted on 8-23-2018 at 12:44 PM


Michael Bowers, one of the victims, has posted a report of the incident on TalkBaja.

The difference between the post and the one that was taken down a couple of days ago is that this post comes directly from one of the victims. The original was relayed to and posted by someone else and had all names removed.

Bowers is responding to questions.


[Edited on 8-23-2018 by SFandH]




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[*] posted on 8-23-2018 at 12:59 PM


Yeah what happened, Mike Bowers, posted his alleged report on the "Punta Chivato,site on Facebook, However, I don't see where Mike Bowers, is answering anyone's question, other than just posting the alleged incident. ( Oh I see he now answered two questions)

It looks like Kathleen and others asked Mike Bowers, to post his own report on "Talk Baja" because Ron, wanted a first hand report, and not a 3rd party report.

Hopefully, JoeJustJoe, helped shaming Mike Bowers, to actually post his own report, and you members on "Baja Nomad" made Ron, think twice of adding this alleged incident report, so much so, that Ron, pinned this report to always show up first for awhile anyway.

Sadly, panic is now going over at "Talk Baja" over this alleged incident, told by Mike Bowers, oh well.
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"Kathleen Flick Mike, can you please post this on Talk Baja page as Ron Hoff asked me if you would after I messaged him about your experience? Thanks, Kathleen Flick.."

Ron's post: ( let me throw up)

"Thanks Mike, I really appreciate you taking the time to share your report here with us. We all need to take precautions and be prepared. Don't let them distract you, stay close to your vehicle and make a point to let them know you are watching them closely when searching your vehicle. Seems like that checkpoint in particular is a big problem..."


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[*] posted on 8-23-2018 at 01:29 PM


After reading panicking posts, including a sexual battery allegation, at other Mexican check points, Ralph, finally asks a good question of Mike Bowers:
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Ralph Schoneman Michael Bowers Can you tell us why you did not report this? The number is right there in front of you on the board.
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Mike's answer:"Ralph, I'm not sure why you think I should explain myself to you. I've explained this in the post. Also I'm not sure the tone doesn't imply we did something wrong, which we didn't. Now we are home safely, we have reported it. Is that not enough?
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JJJ says no it's not enough, and why are you defensive? Who did you report it to, and what did they say, and do you have a copy of your report?

Mike did not explain it in the original story, like he told Ralph, or on the follow up questions at TB.







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[*] posted on 8-23-2018 at 01:32 PM


Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  

.... Now you beating up the Vets......major assumptions about some stolen valor and reasonable suspicion......a full Joe Friday detective you make Joe.
What a pimp......


DD,
I don't see JJJ attacking vets....but outing posers (stolen valour).

Fake news....
Witch-hunting JJJ?

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[*] posted on 8-23-2018 at 03:24 PM


Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  

.... Now you beating up the Vets......major assumptions about some stolen valor and reasonable suspicion......a full Joe Friday detective you make Joe.
What a pimp......


DD,
I don't see JJJ attacking vets....but outing posers (stolen valour).

Fake news....
Witch-hunting JJJ?

Sad


"It goes without saying Military Posers, are an epidemic, so much so, they tried to pass a "stolen valor" law a few years backs, only to have it overturned on free speech grounds, by the Supreme Court"

Vets/military an epidemic of posers?
Don't know what world your from Ged, but that is a direct slam at every Vet, who must all be involved in a "epidemic" of false stories according the Joe.

Very sad you missed that....:(:(




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[*] posted on 8-23-2018 at 04:06 PM


This check point sounds like it is maned with meth amphetamine addicts.

What became of the guy from Oregon with the broken arm and the 16 year old daughter? Attacked at the check point.

Were the above problems at night?


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[*] posted on 8-23-2018 at 04:14 PM


Nice try DaliDali, to try to get the "Baja Nomad" Military Veterans, to dislike JoeJustJoe.

As it is, I don't think I'm too popular with the veterans anyway, however, my post was about "Military Posers, and perhaps, you DailDali, do not know the meaning of the word, Poser."

I'm talking about people, who claim, they were in the US Military, and they usually claim they were in some type of special forces, like the Navy Seals, when in fact they really were not in the military at all, or if they were in the military they embellished their status, and in some cases doctored their DD-214.

I'm pretty sure, real military veterans, dislike military posers, who steal valor, as much as me. Believe it or not, but military posers, and fake LE(cops) are everywhere, including forums.
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Maybe this will help you DD:

Military Posers Are 'An Epidemic,' Says Soldier Who Outs Them

https://people.com/crime/military-posers-are-an-epidemic-say...

Obama Signs New Stolen Valor Act( however later it was overturned)

President Obama on Monday signed into law the latest version of the Stolen Valor Act, which makes it a federal crime for people to pass themselves off as war heroes by wearing medals they didn't rightfully earn.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/06/03/obama-signs-n...


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[*] posted on 8-23-2018 at 04:41 PM


Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
fake LE(cops) are everywhere


I hate people who buy old cop cars and don't repaint them. Highway Terrorists!!!!

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[*] posted on 8-23-2018 at 04:53 PM


Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  
Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  

.... Now you beating up the Vets......major assumptions about some stolen valor and reasonable suspicion......a full Joe Friday detective you make Joe.
What a pimp......


DD,
I don't see JJJ attacking vets....but outing posers (stolen valour).

Fake news....
Witch-hunting JJJ?

Sad


"It goes without saying Military Posers, are an epidemic, so much so, they tried to pass a "stolen valor" law a few years backs, only to have it overturned on free speech grounds, by the Supreme Court"

Vets/military an epidemic of posers?
Don't know what world your from Ged, but that is a direct slam at every Vet, who must all be involved in a "epidemic" of false stories according the Joe.

Very sad you missed that....:(:(


DD,
Okay....I will type a bit slower for you....the posers are those who "falsely claim to have served when they have not....and/or falsely represent their service"....not those serving and presenting themselves respectfully.

I am in no way trying to discredit vets or those in the forces....stop mis-editing or twisting my words to suit your swill. :fire:




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[*] posted on 8-23-2018 at 05:03 PM


Vet posers do exist..... those of us who did serve run into them all the time. A few well-placed Q's with 47 year's experience flushes 'em out purty EZ. REMF's, usually. We have a doozy here at our VFW... the guy is also former LE (part-timer on our tiny force of a few) and also a sadistic big-bad-bully that loves to intimidate people. Sounds kinda like.....

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[*] posted on 8-23-2018 at 05:09 PM


Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  
Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  

.... Now you beating up the Vets......major assumptions about some stolen valor and reasonable suspicion......a full Joe Friday detective you make Joe.
What a pimp......


DD,
I don't see JJJ attacking vets....but outing posers (stolen valour).

Fake news....
Witch-hunting JJJ?

Sad


"It goes without saying Military Posers, are an epidemic, so much so, they tried to pass a "stolen valor" law a few years backs, only to have it overturned on free speech grounds, by the Supreme Court"

Vets/military an epidemic of posers?
Don't know what world your from Ged, but that is a direct slam at every Vet, who must all be involved in a "epidemic" of false stories according the Joe.

Very sad you missed that....:(:(


DD,
Okay....I will type a bit slower for you....the posers are those who "falsely claim to have served when they have not....and/or falsely represent their service"....not those serving and presenting themselves respectfully.

I am in no way trying to discredit vets or those in the forces....stop mis-editing or twisting my words to suit your swill. :fire:


What does "epidemic" mean you to Ged?
All inclusive.....wide spread.....rampant?

I am completely stunned that you....a reasoned traveler.....would stick up for anything Joe has to say.

Truly sad, that in this instance you have...:(:(




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[*] posted on 8-23-2018 at 05:16 PM


Thank you for acknowledging that I am a "reasoned" traveler....

And the word "epidemic" really isn't the main issue here now, is it....

Poor attempt to walk back your criticism....




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[*] posted on 8-23-2018 at 05:27 PM


Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
Thank you for acknowledging that I am a "reasoned" traveler....

And the word "epidemic" really isn't the main issue here now, is it....

Poor attempt to walk back your criticism....


Consult with Joe......the originator of "epidemic" on that.




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