Originally posted by Packoderm
randomly testing a person to find out if they smoked a joint last Friday night is un-American in nature.
Isn't smoking a joint on American soil a 'criminal' act? Wouldn't it be un-American not to report it?
I'd list joint smoking as an infraction in the $99.00 fine category - right up with cutting the tags off your mattress but nowhere near as severe of a
crime as driving while talking on the cell phone. If you want to go on a mission all day of notifying the authorities for every driver you see talking
on a cell phone - that is fine, but make sure you use a hands free headset while making the calls.
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
dt- I can honestly understand your environment. But, this testing is used in jobs such as retail and consumer call centers. I cannot grasp justifying
control of one's personal life, in the absence of the threat to the safety of others, in order to maintain employment where the employee, by all
measurements, is doing a good job.
Tony- Think about it. There are nowhere near the resources to be able to carry out what David has suggested. Mexico is a huge country. It would be
like squeezing a balloon in one place. For grins, let's just say that what David proposes succeeds. Has that extinguished demand? Nope. So, other than
ridding your beloved Mulege of any threat by nefarious thugs, at the end of the day, someone, somewhere, will fill the void of supply.
I did say I had doubts. I suspect you are right. But if David's plan were to be effective, it would decapitate or greatly diminish and disrupt the
various cartels' organization. Regarding those who would fill the void, they would have to practically start over. In the mean time, drugs must be
decriminalized, the cartel/pusher middleman profit must be taken out and the U.S. Government must control and tax the supply...just like alcohol. Let
the users kill themselves (and be denied healthcare). If they commit crimes, lock them up. Take away the suppliers' profit incentive.
Short of that, the Mexican Government and the Cartels will be cooperatives, and they will lose everything. As it stands, the stupid fence is a charade
and a racist boondoggle. We can seal our border if we really wanted to. We can outlaw travel to Mexico and set up embargos. As Skeet says, "when the
Mexican people are tired of it all, they will sort it out". It will be bloody.
We will Mexico/Baja lovers/dwellers will lose too until Mexico can sort out it's problems. I am really sad about all this. The horror has escalated
and advanced beyond any decent human sensibilities. It has surpassed any threshold of acceptance. There don't appear to be any quick and painless
solutions.
The demand will not ever disappear. It thrives with the affluent as well as the poor, during good economic times and bad. It is endemic in our
culture. In my view, the supply side is all we can work against. How to achieve that is the big question.
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Dave- For someone not living in America, you have to look in the mirror.
The cartels primary customer is the guy who smoked that joint last Friday night.
My backyard (Mexico) is getting shot to s**t. I know the cause and have no use for those who tolerate it's continuance.
Dave, Dave, Dave, it's not the joint that got somebody killed - it's the prohibition policies that's spawning the organized crime. Your
get-mean-on-pot suggestions will only result in more profits for the cartels and more pain for everybody else. Wait. Now you're not secretly dealing
are you? I do know that the cartels are in favor of strong drug laws. You don't have grown men kiss your ring do you? There must be an explanation for
what appears to look like a Devil's advocate position.
Originally posted by DENNIS
Before you get rid of this and get rid of that, you'll have to get rid of the Bill Of Rights and the ACLU. In fact, they should be done away with
anyway. They're the biggest protectors of criminals we have.
Originally posted by monoloco
And that pesky constitution too!
Well, I'd stop short of that. It's just that the Bill Of Rights needs to be modernized. It gives too much protection to criminals. They should
first be shot, then read their rights.
Perhaps we could test this theory on congress.
Originally posted by Packoderm
I do know that the cartels are in favor of strong drug laws.
Only because they know we don't mean it. We don't have the stomach for it. If we started penalizing users and cut into their profits cartels would
change their tune.
Originally posted by monoloco
And that pesky constitution too!
Well, I'd stop short of that. It's just that the Bill Of Rights needs to be modernized. It gives too much protection to criminals. They should
first be shot, then read their rights.
Perhaps we could test this theory on congress.
Maybe a new Bill of Rights with guarantees like the right to
a blindfold before summary execution.
Good news no else needs to come to San Diego to buy any more Christmas gifts.
My wife just walked in and I'm happy to report that she single handedly bought everything in the City. Stay home no need to come.
Originally posted by Packoderm
randomly testing a person to find out if they smoked a joint last Friday night is un-American in nature.
Isn't smoking a joint on American soil a 'criminal' act? Wouldn't it be un-American not to report it?
On the topic of detering all drug use in the USA- and I threw out employer random drug testing.
I've flip flopped on this before- "I own a persons full attention for 40 hours a week- do I have the right to know/monitor what they do the rest of
the time?" I had a Human Resources Director final candidate come to me after we made the offer to tell me she couldn't pass the drug test (hair
specimen). Was hard to believe and we felt sad for her at the time.
Most all workplaces now drug test after any on the job injury- so the Workers Comp claim can be disallowed.
[Edited on 12-24-2009 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
Originally posted by Mexicorn
Good news no else needs to come to San Diego to buy any more Christmas gifts.
My wife just walked in and I'm happy to report that she single handedly bought everything in the City. Stay home no need to come.
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