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oldlady
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another one who hasn't read the bill....
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Donjulio
Too bad the Native Americans didn't implement this system and run people out when they first started coming over. Wouldn't be having this problem now.
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They tried, and I don't blame them. They failed, and things changed radically--------Is that is the kind of "change" you want?
Barry
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DianaT
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Yes, a repeat and summary of what we said before
Human Rights Abuse---
Dangerous Precedent---
Open season on undocumented human beings for all the predators around---open season on a group who is already fearful of the police, and now, Papers
Please.
And one final thought. One of my European History professors was an immigrant from Germany----he did not practice the Jewish Religion, but he was of
Jewish Ancestry.
He remembered riding on a train in Germany with his father who was a German University professor. As a child he was becoming fearful of what was
happening against Jewish people. His father told him not worry, that it would never happen in Germany, the land of Kant. Germany had been a refuge
for the Jews escaping the discrimination in other countries. No, it could never happen in Germany.
His father is one who said people do not understand and are just responding to proposed changes emotionally. In the end, most of his family, but not
all, escaped in time.
Arizona will be hurt financially as the boycotts heat up. It gives us hope that this sickness will not spread.
Diana and John
[Edited on 4-28-2010 by DianaT]
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Barry A.
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Diane says in the previous post----------"Arizona will be hurt financially as the boycotts heat up. It gives us hope that this sickness will not
spread."
From this I must infer that enforcing the long existing laws of this nation is a "sickness"?????
I am sorry Diane, but I just don't understand---------
Barry and Meredith
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Don't you listen? IT IS NOT ABOUT PROVIDING IDENTIFICATION, its about giving local law enforcement, the power to stop anybody at anytime, simply
because he might be an illegal Mexican. |
The law states:
"For any lawful contact made"
I read this to mean 'probable cause'. If this turns out to be a blanket cover then I'm 100% against this law and I would expect it
will be ruled unconstitutional. |
Its simple Dave, maybe hispanic police officers should ask white citizens of Arizona for proof of citizenship, at every traffic stop, and
Lawful contact made.
They would be raising hell if that happened. |
Yes, they could very well be Canadians.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Diane says in the previous post----------"Arizona will be hurt financially as the boycotts heat up. It gives us hope that this sickness will not
spread."
From this I must infer that enforcing the long existing laws of this nation is a "sickness"?????
I am sorry Diane, but I just don't understand---------
Barry and Meredith |
If one cannot see the danger and racial profiling in this law, then sorry, but they are as much a part of the problem as is the law.
This is not about simple political differences, it is about a spreading sickness in our country. Very sad times and again, as one friend here in Baja
said, Isn't this very unAmerican?
He is correct----open season has been declared---go for it Minute Men, your opportunity is now.
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Timo1
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I wonder how long it will be before us Canadians will require a visa to pass thru the US on our way south
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David K
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You don't need one now?
The first time I went to Canada (1995), I was shocked at how much more strict they were on us than Mexico... Luckily, I had my voter's registration
receipt folded up in my wallet to prove I was an American... The company I worked for flew me into Vancouver without any warning of how much stricter
it was to cross into Canada than into Mexico.
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oldlady
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
Yes, a repeat and summary of what we said before
Human Rights Abuse---
Dangerous Precedent---
Open season on undocumented human beings for all the predators around---open season on a group who is already fearful of the police, and now, Papers
Please.
And one final thought. One of my European History professors was an immigrant from Germany----he did not practice the Jewish Religion, but he was of
Jewish Ancestry.
He remembered riding on a train in Germany with his father who was a German University professor. As a child he was becoming fearful of what was
happening against Jewish people. His father told him not worry, that it would never happen in Germany, the land of Kant. Germany had been a refuge
for the Jews escaping the discrimination in other countries. No, it could never happen in Germany.
His father is one who said people do not understand and are just responding to proposed changes emotionally. In the end, most of his family, but not
all, escaped in time.
Arizona will be hurt financially as the boycotts heat up. It gives us hope that this sickness will not spread.
Diana and John
[Edited on 4-28-2010 by DianaT] |
I guess the only real difference between that situation and this is that
a) this law prohibits racial and religious profiling
b) most German Jews had entered Germany legally
c) illegal persons here will be moved to the jurisdiction of ice
d) worst case scenario will be a fine or deportation
e) the media has not indicated that ovens are being constructed anywhere
f) except for those bound in 20th century progressivism, which developed eugneics, there is no movement in the US to develop a final solution of any
class of people.
Other than that, perhaps the comparison is valid.
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Timo1
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No David
We require nothing except our passports
As for our strict customs at the border.....we had good teachers
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Udo
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I always carry my U.S. passport in my vehicle whether in the US or in Mexico.
With a first name like mine, someone may think I'm a Russian!
Udo
Youth is wasted on the young!
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Diane says in the previous post----------"Arizona will be hurt financially as the boycotts heat up. It gives us hope that this sickness will not
spread."
From this I must infer that enforcing the long existing laws of this nation is a "sickness"?????
I am sorry Diane, but I just don't understand---------
Barry and Meredith |
If one cannot see the danger and racial profiling in this law, then sorry, but they are as much a part of the problem as is the law.
This is not about simple political differences, it is about a spreading sickness in our country. Very sad times and again, as one friend here in Baja
said, Isn't this very unAmerican?
He is correct----open season has been declared---go for it Minute Men, your opportunity is now. |
Diane--------this new law MIRRORS the long existing Federal Law!! Why the outcry now?? The law itself has NO racial component other than to
prohibit it-----how folks interpret the law (which should be left to the courts) is another matter---------but again, there is nothing NEW in this
state law------if the "sickness" you refer to exists, it only is in the imagination of individuals, and there is no avoiding that situation (as this
board reflects  ).
The sky is NOT falling.
Barry
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capt. mike
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Barry - don't waste your breath or pen on her - or any of the other marooons who they themselves are clueless about existing laws let alone respecting
them.
they have all drunk the kool aid.....they do not understand representative democracy either. we live in a REPUBLIC, not a pure democracy - like it or
not.
this is not about racism - it's about enforcing a law enacted by a sovereign entity.
don't like it? don't live in AZ.
freedom.....ahhhhh......
[Edited on 4-28-2010 by capt. mike]
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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bajadock
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I used to read this forum daily for its focus on Baja, trip reports, photos, recipes, places to explore. Perhaps, like other forums, an OFF TOPIC
repository could be created?
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajadock
I used to read this forum daily for its focus on Baja, trip reports, photos, recipes, places to explore. Perhaps, like other forums, an OFF TOPIC
repository could be created? |
Ahhhhh errrrrr-----the Title of this thread does give one a clue as to it's content-------don't understand why you opened it?
Barry
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Timo1
I wonder how long it will be before us Canadians will require a visa to pass thru the US on our way south |
or on your way north if you happen to be married to a uS citizen (as is our case now)
Bob Durrell
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
That said, racial or ethnic profiling is the obvious result of such a law. |
The clerks at Nordstrom's department store are all trained to watch all little old white haired ladies with large black purses because statistics show
that they are most likely to shoplift and the often ask to see receipts for what's in the purse. The call this FACIAL PROFILING
Bob Durrell
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Que Sera Sera
Given the current depressed levels of tourism, they should by all means do something to further depress it, BUT I'm sure that the Mex Authorities will
find some way to throw a Hissy Fit now and then over the issue. They always have. Makes them feel good while shooting themselves in the foot.
Relax and Enjoy it. Or, stay home.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by oldlady
another one who hasn't read the bill.... |
another racist defending gestapo police tactics |
and that applies to others also---there are so many of them on this forum who use faulty so called logic to defend their bigotry----sick minds feeding
a sick society--
The mouth pieces, or more accurately the puppets, for Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh are alive and well. Sick, just plain old sick. As I heard one
commentator state, some people are definitely not worth the time to try and discuss any thing with, and certainly not worth one's time.
I will say that this thread has confirmed my conviction that there are several of you I hope to never meet in person---it really confirms how bigoted
many of you are----not people I would want to pass through my door.
Real old time Republicans and conservatives are a different breed and people for whom I have respect even with a difference of opinion. But this is
not the same as a simple difference of opinion, the comments say a lot about who people are as people---a part of the sick new movement that is
destroying the GOP---I truly feel for the old time GOP----they are toast.
We have some nomads coming to visit and stay with us tomorrow---ones we respect as people. There are some, thank goodness.
Go Freaky Minute Men---it is your chance, and you do have support for the other sickos----
Diana
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Barry A.
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Diana-----Heaven forbid that one uses "logic" to defend one's position---------what a "sick" methodology!!!!!
Well, you have certainly drawn the proverbial "line in the sand" with that post--------- 
Good luck with that------
Barry
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