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Osprey
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Let's see:
Gas = about 400 pesos
Lodging = maybe 500 pesos
Dinner = maybe 500 pesos
Booze = almost 3,000 pesos
Tour the ostrich farm = 4,000 pesos
One ostrich (on sale) = about 30,000 pesos
I'm just guessing of course. Every trip is different.
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Iflyfish
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That's serious ostrich there amigo
It looks like you would spend at the very least $1,500 - $2,000 pesos.
That's a lot of pesos that those small minded cops are taking out of the tills of the local businesses. That is just one car with two people spending
one night!! And that doesn't include the Ostrich and a minimal booze purchase.
Thanks Osprey.
How about other Nomads? There have been over 5,000 views of this thread. How much do Nomads spend in Ciudad Constitution?
Iflyfishandamgettingsomewherenow
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k-rico
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I bought a used alternator there and paid a mechanic to splice it in. It wasn't exactly the correct one, but it worked, except it didn't output enough
juice with A/C blower on.
He used some great blue tape to wrap the splices.
The fun of driving old trucks around baja.
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El Comadante Loco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Fly Fish
That's serious ostrich there amigo
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How about other Nomads? There have been over 5,000 views of this thread. How much do Nomads spend in Ciudad Constitution?
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Two yrs ago: mechanic, $175, dinner $450 pesos, gas 3 vehicles, $1600 pesos, groceries and beer $1250 pesos.
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Osprey
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Flyguy, here’s another format that might be convincing. I don’t know how to use Office or other tools to do this SIDE BY SIDE but that would be
affective I think:
Reasons to Not Visit Baja California by Road going South
1. Waiting time or problems at the Border Entry
2. Possible victim of crime/drugs near the border
3. Having to pay $500 U.S. dollars to pass through Ciudad Constitucion
on the way to La Paz and Los Cabos
Reasons to Not Return by road from vacation in Southern Baja
1. Having to pay $500 U.S. dollars to pass through Ciudad Constitucion
on the way back north.
2. Possible victim of crime/drugs near the border
3. Waiting time or problems at the Border Exit
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Iflyfish
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El Comadante Loco
Gracias.
That is a total of 3,475 pesos. It adds ups quick doesn't it.
The three of us so far you, Osprey, and I would spend a total of approximately $9,935 pesos in Ciudad Constitution when we visit that city.
El Comandanee Loco = $3,475
Osprey = $1,500 - $2,000 pesos.
Iflyfish = $1,288.74 - 4,510.56
Total approximately = $9,935 pesos/3 = $3,245 pesos average spent in Ciudad Constitution per visit.
In US Dollars that translates into approximately $252.67 per person who stops in Ciudad Constitution.
This is a conservative estimate; around $3,245 pesos ($250 US) is lost each time one of us decides not to stop in Ciudad Constitution.
I wonder how many US Citizens stop in Ciudad Constitution in one day?
If only ten of us spend a night in Ciudad Constitution that represents approximately $2,500 US dollars or $32,115.37 MXN.
Multiply that by 7 days per week and you have a total potential income from US Citizens of $224,775.37 MXN ($17,500 US) per week.
Multiply that by 4 weeks and you have a total potential income from US Citizens of $898,934.15 MXN ($70,000 US) per month.
There is a lot of money to be lost by Ciudad Constitution if Nomads decide to boycot this city!
How much do you spend in Ciudad Constitution?
Iflyfish
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rhintransit
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I'm looking to buy a new bed, mattress, box springs. ordinarily I'd go to Constitucion and check out the big stores there. that would mean a fill up
in town and lunch and wandering around and buying this and that stuff that catches one's eye, is on the 'to-get' list.
but, having done the 'avoid the cops' in Constitucion routine far too many times this year already, I'm gonna pass and shop instead in Loreto, Mulege,
and/or Santa Rosalia. I haven't gotten shaken down in Constitucion yet, but at least five people from my immediate area have been in the last two
months. it's a real drag to have to consider the risk of getting stopped by corrupt cops when making travel/shopping plans.
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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Bajahowodd
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Given its location in the spectrum of Baja journeys, I have to admit that other than buying Pemex at the station in Insurgentes, which is obviously
not in CC, where the turn is, and having breakfast at EL Taste, nothing I've seen in the area has beckoned to me to stop. I imagine that folks who
live full time in BCS, especially those North of Cd. Constitucion, may well consider it to be a resource. I would imagine that many others who are
really just passing through would feel similarly.
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monoloco
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I do like to eat birria at El Palenque.
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DENNIS
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OK...IFLY/Rick and BajaGuy/Terry................When you find that your efforts don't produce results, which they won't, consider my plan.
You are deluding yourselves with your thoughts that the government isn't aware of the situation.
They are, they have been and they will be.
What I'm saying is, WAKE UP. The people you appeal to are part of the Mexican System.
Do you even begin to understand what I'm saying?
This is how Mexico works. It's a means of control and if you ever think your rendetion of right and wrong will influence these people,
well.....you're wrong.
You're also arrogant to think you can run your game on your host. Right or wrong....you can't and shouldnt try.
Back to our issue......
I told you before...let the business people in the area decide your issue for you. They will when they realize the cause and effect which you
present. Show them the cause of their loss and they'll scream bloody murder and give you effect.
The problem will end.
No No No...not you guys. You insist on pleading to people and agencies like they never heard of these atrocities. You're going to appeal to their
U.S. mindset of decency and legality which they don't, even for a moment, have.
Do yourselves a favor and don't bother groveling to these agencys. They won't do anything without the approval of the CC PD.
The agencys with which you think you're communicating with are laughing at you.
In fact...so am I.
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Osprey
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Well, Dennis, we'll see who laughs last. Now we will go into Full Court Press. I'll send you photos before Holloween of the cops in CC handing out
flowers to passing motorists with little cards attached that say "Desculpa, por favor".
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chnlisle
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
What I'm saying is, WAKE UP. The people you appeal to are part of the Mexican System. Do you even begin to understand what I'm saying?
This is how Mexico works. It's a means of control and if you ever think your rendetion of right and wrong will influence these people,
well.....you're wrong. You're also arrogant to think you can run your game on your host...
The agencys with which you think you're communicating with are laughing at you.
In fact...so am I. |
Dennis is Fulano.
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comitan
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Dennis is not Fulano, and he is telling it like it is, if you have the USA mindset you will always have problems.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Iflyfish
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I respect both Dennis and Comitan, both great Nomads. I understand where you are coming from. I really do. I may be doing a big Sancho Panza, but
that's ok with me. I have nothing to lose and the possibiltiy of making a difference, I will do that if I can.
I have no illusions, I have been traveling to Mexico since I was 17, now 65, I have paid my share of mordida. I understand the culture. I am
interested to know if there is a possibility of making some change using the power of the internet and the collective wisdom of this group as to how
we might approach this.
This is an issue that affects every Nomad who must travel thru Ciudad Constitution, there have been many complaints and warnings about this. I hope
that with the help of others we MAY have an impact. If there was ever an issue for us to get together on, this is a good one.
I believe that self interest is a powerful motivator and Baja is hurting right now and Ciudad Constitution particularly since the Hurricane and the
drop in tourist dollars. There may be enough self interest on the part of business people in this town to stop the crooked cops from robbing them via
this tactic of extortion of US Citizens traveling through their town.
There is a real economic impact to each business in town from this sort of activity, very real. I intend to let them know that impact in what ever way
is best to do that. I don't live there. I don't know who the people with the most authority or impact are. I don't know who might be able to stop this
practice, if anyone can. I intend to do what I can to find out.
I have the great luxery of being retired and have time. I also don't live in Ciudad Constitution so I don't have to deal with direct confrontation
from the cops in my own home town. I get that it may be very hard for locals to confront this. I don't care if they laugh at me. Not a problem for me.
I appreciate your perspective, and you may be right, probably are, but I intend to follow through with this and hope others will join me in contacting
what ever authorities may have a vested interest in stopping this robbery on the ony highway that connects N and S Baja.
I will keep you posted on what comes of my efforts and hope others will chime in on this too. Nothing ventured and nothing lost. A bit of time sending
emails is not hard to do. I will keep you posted on the translation to my letter and hope others will help clarify the issue of who best to send this
information to.
I am off to our daughter's wedding and will return next Tues when I will again pick up this crudgen and hopefully will have a translation for my
letter ready to send.
Iflyfish
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Just tell them in Espańol "Chupa mi "V" piinche extorsionista." If they take you into custody oh well at least you stood your ground.
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gnukid
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Using the form mailers and email addresses will cause people serving in the current government to receive the emails. They probably will laugh and
won't care as Dennis points out. They probably have no control nor desire for the job of taking on the problem. They will likely forward the emails to
a list of people and eventually everyone in the local office of the current government will see the emails.
The possible reactions are: 1) resentment to whoever they feel sent them the messages. 2) they will think the people who got hassled deserve it
because they can afford it and those tourists don't contribute enough anyway.
But, the message will be sent and received which is the point of communication.
A powerful technique would include a specific case which names a specific person, time, location and has some evidence of the unlawful action in
addition to reporting this to the officers plus report it to tv and print news agencies and include witnesses, photos, video, names and the whole
deal. The public humiliation is a strong form of social peer pressure to require someone who misbehaves to behave socially.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
"Chupa mi "V" piinche extorsionista." quote]
No, David, No. Never abuse your Viagra.  |
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comitan
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An example Comitan is a popular place for Semana Santa, and our beaches afterward were also heaped with trash. Every year the homeowners in Comitan
would clean up the beach. About 3 years ago after Semana Santa when we were to clean up the beach, the local TV station was notified they sent a
video crew and it was on the TV stations. Now 3 years later before Semana Santa the city brings out porta potties, and afterward they send out crews
and trucks to clean up the mess. THE POWER OF TELEVISION.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
I may be doing a big Sancho Panza, but that's ok with me.
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It's OK with me too, Rick. Your enthusiasm with this issue is noble and admirable.
I just feel sorry for you because you're being confronted with good ol' American apathy. Most Nomads [shame on you] just want to , as in every other
freakin important issue, not get involved.
So sad.
Well...do your best, Rick. Those that try to improve the Baja Experience are the pioneers. The others are just tourists.
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BAJA.DESERT.RAT
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WHOA !!!! PLEASE, let's stop all this chest beating and get back to the subject. let's not go one against the other but try to reach peaceful means of
deciding and invoking a plan on how to get a peaceful resolution to this insidious situation !
TOO MANY DISTRACTIONS !!!! TOO MUCH CROSS TALK !!! so many great ideas and we need to get together on these as we are all going north and south of cc
and need to focus to keep our voices together as a group. PLEASE !!!
OR WE WILL NEVER WIN !!!!
BIEN SALUD, DA RAT KEPP YOUR EGOS AT THE DOOR !!!!
lots of differnt ideas and no central way to project and present them divided, we will definitely fail. we can be such a strong voice together and we
must as there does not seem to be any other avenues at this point in time.
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