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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Skeet, take your preaching of MORALS, etc., and stick it where the sun don't shine. |
Skeet-------
Personally, I am not a religious guy, but I, for one like your preaching MORALS, if for no other reason than to remind us that there really IS such a
thing as "morals", and we all NEED to remember that.
MERRY CHRISTMAS, Skeet----and Roberto too.
Barry
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Skeet/Loreto
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Roberto:
Morals: Roberto you should watch things that Happen in the Panhandle of Texas[ This is the most "Giving" place I have ever lived. It is nearly
unbeleiveable the Way people give to the Needy and the Homeless.
That is Morals!!
Circumscribing our Desires and Keep our Passions within Due Bounds takes Honesty, Kindness, Caring.
If you do not have those I feel for you and will say Prayers for you and any Loved Ones you may Have around..The Prisons are Full of People with No
Morals, Children are Abused each day by People with no Morals.
Roberto: God Bless You and have a Merry Christmas.
Skeet/Loreto
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sancho
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Why is it that people like you can't make a point without attacking the person? Of course, I know the answer, but I really WOULD be interested in
hearing your explanation.
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You're reading too much into it , that was not a personal attack. It defies logic why a person
can imply he travels to and enjoys Baja, in it's rather unspoiled
natural state, for the most part, all the while berating
and not believe in organizations that work to preserve such environments,
no sense what so ever, total contradiction
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Roberto
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Speak for yourself Sergeant Friday, it may take a little
more intellect than some of YOU posess to comprehend the mission of some of the Conservation groups. |
So calling someone stupid is not a personal attack. If you say so, it must be true. 
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David K
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Sancho... some of us can see that "some" organizations are NOT at all serious about the environment as much as they are about gaining power OVER the
people (funding, closing public lands, to the public, etc.)...
Don't be so trusting in an ALL powerful government that TAKES AWAY our rights (to our land)... in the name of some nobel cause...
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Roberto
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Keystone pipeline should not be exempted from NEPA. GOP is trying to exempt it from any and all enviro review. Shame on the GOP!
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Dude, there have been environmental studies done.
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On July 6, 2010, House Energy and Commerce Committee chairman Henry Waxman urged the State Department to block Keystone XL, saying in a letter to the
department that "this pipeline is a multi-billion dollar investment to expand our reliance on the dirtiest source of transportation fuel currently
available".[20][21] On July 21, 2010, the Environmental Protection Agency said the draft environmental impact study for Keystone XL was inadequate and
should be revised, indicating that the State Department's original report was "unduly narrow" because it didn't fully look at oil spill response
plans, safety issues and greenhouse gas concerns.[22][23][24] The final environmental impact report was released on August 26, 2011. It stated that
the pipeline would pose "no significant impacts" to most resources if environmental protection measures are followed, but it would present
"significant adverse effects to certain cultural resources".[25] However, summer/fall, 2011, protests brought the challenge to the White House,
leading ultimately to the President's November, 2011, postponement of the decision until 2013. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline
The truth is that the "environmentalists" complained, the studies were done, the results were not what they wanted them to be, so they want more
studies.
We, as a country, are completely burying the possibility of recovery and more in the name of unproven environmental concerns. We need to answer a
simple question:
How far are we willing to go to and allow environmental concerns limit the economic viability of this country and the people that live here. One thing
is certain, without a throttle, we are going to destroy the essence of this country and what makes it different from much of the world - economic
freedom from our government. Given what has happened in the EU, and the evidence that brings to the table regarding the viability of centrally
controlled economies, I submit that we should proceed with great caution in giving our government control over our destiny. And, with that, I have
nothing left to say.
Oh yeah, I guess we should ask the fish what is Nature intends to be.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
nobel cause... |
as opposed to noble?
Words mean things, and not being able to spell them reveals more than you might think about your understanding of them.
I suggest you learn to spell in your own language before you bug everyone about place names in a language you can't even speak.
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Barry A.
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Location: Redding, Northern CA
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Why is it that people like you can't make a point without attacking the person? Of course, I know the answer, but I really WOULD be interested in
hearing your explanation.
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You're reading too much into it , that was not a personal attack. It defies logic why a person
can imply he travels to and enjoys Baja, in it's rather unspoiled
natural state, for the most part, all the while berating
and not believe in organizations that work to preserve such environments,
no sense what so ever, total contradiction |
No, Sancho, it does not "defy logic" in my mind---------it's the matter of extremes that I object to-----certain eco-organizations, or radical people
controlling those organizations, have taken "preservation" to extremes, to the detriment of mankind in general. National Parks should be protected
and remain as natural as practical while still allowing for man's use (that is their Mandate). Some remote natural areas being designated "wilderness"
is appropriate, etc.. but tying up millions and millions of acres previously open to multible public & private uses into "Wilderness" designation
is going to extremes to my way of thinking, and is counter-productive and detrimental to the well-being of mankind. This happens, I think, because
the huge majority of people never use or even visit these areas, and therefore don't object to them being bottled up under very strick Wilderness
designation, but for the folks that have used them for years it is a disaster, and a huge infringment on their lives, business, and pleasure, and for
what??? So other's can sit back and marvel at the existance of something that most will never even see, or use. Makes no sense to me, and it is
anti-man in my judgement. It is a knee-jerk reaction to the few who abuse the lands------punish the many for the crimes of a few--------oh, that
makes good sense, eh??? (close a hyway because a few have accidents??? etc. etc..). THAT defies logic, to me, and it always has.
The fact that you apparently can't see that, or understand that, baffles me!!! But, you are not alone------and I suppose you & others will fight
and insult to get-your-way, regardless of the opinion of others-------that is 'the way' with many (most?) eco-radicals-----we 'know' what is best.
Jeeezo, that seems like real arrogance, to me.
Barry
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comitan
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Roberto
BRAVO!!!!!!!!
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
nobel cause... |
as opposed to noble?
Words mean things, and not being able to spell them reveals more than you might think about your understanding of them.
I suggest you learn to spell in your own language before you bug everyone about place names in a language you can't even speak.
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LMFAO
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captkw
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you Kid's can b-tch...Me,,,Im going FISHING !!!!
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woody with a view
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unless my Mexican friend was named DK who had an American edumacation.
but who gives a P-nche mierda?
Merry Christmas to all and to all a Good Night!
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salttram
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I think if the DOE could plug into and tap all the "thermal energy" emanating from the Nomad forums, we could do away with the Keystone XL Pipeline,
solar farms in the desert, AND the fantasy of "clean coal".
It might even make the Sierra Club happy . . .
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vgabndo
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Location: Mt. Shasta, CA
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Makes perfect sence to me! Excepting that most handicaps are involuntary, and a Google account puts a spell checker on my Nomad posts.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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capn.sharky
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"The Prisons are Full of People with No Morals" Skeeter--you forgot about the Congress and Senate of the United States---they should be in the
prisons.....
If there is no fishing in heaven, I am not going
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805gregg
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Anyone here remember when there were conch in Baha Conception? I got one once when camped at Coyote, where did they go?
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Skeet/Loreto
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Greeg: I know where 3 Boxes of them are right Now!
In my Garage. I am thinking about taking them out and start selling them, collected them around Kilometer 78 on the Southern area of Conception in
the early 70"s before the road opened. I must say they are Beautifull and very hard to find here in the States.
Skeet
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redhilltown
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
Anyone here remember when there were conch in Baha Conception? I got one once when camped at Coyote, where did they go? |
I think they went---along with every other living organism on the planet---to the Best Buy in Torrance yesterday about noon...or at least that was my
visual take on the situation!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Why is it that people like you can't make a point without attacking the person? Of course, I know the answer, but I really WOULD be interested in
hearing your explanation.
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You're reading too much into it , that was not a personal attack. It defies logic why a person
can imply he travels to and enjoys Baja, in it's rather unspoiled
natural state, for the most part, all the while berating
and not believe in organizations that work to preserve such environments,
no sense what so ever, total contradiction |
No, Sancho, it does not "defy logic" in my mind---------it's the matter of extremes that I object to-----certain eco-organizations, or radical people
controlling those organizations, have taken "preservation" to extremes, to the detriment of mankind in general. National Parks should be protected
and remain as natural as practical while still allowing for man's use (that is their Mandate). Some remote natural areas being designated "wilderness"
is appropriate, etc.. but tying up millions and millions of acres previously open to multible public & private uses into "Wilderness" designation
is going to extremes to my way of thinking, and is counter-productive and detrimental to the well-being of mankind. This happens, I think, because
the huge majority of people never use or even visit these areas, and therefore don't object to them being bottled up under very strick Wilderness
designation, but for the folks that have used them for years it is a disaster, and a huge infringment on their lives, business, and pleasure, and for
what??? So other's can sit back and marvel at the existance of something that most will never even see, or use. Makes no sense to me, and it is
anti-man in my judgement. It is a knee-jerk reaction to the few who abuse the lands------punish the many for the crimes of a few--------oh, that
makes good sense, eh??? (close a hyway because a few have accidents??? etc. etc..). THAT defies logic, to me, and it always has.
The fact that you apparently can't see that, or understand that, baffles me!!! But, you are not alone------and I suppose you & others will fight
and insult to get-your-way, regardless of the opinion of others-------that is 'the way' with many (most?) eco-radicals-----we 'know' what is best.
Jeeezo, that seems like real arrogance, to me.
Barry |
barry,
so you say the creation of wilderness benefits few? i say the natural resource extraction usually benefits few. and the destructive ORV use benefits
few. you can't make decisions about preservation on basis of who uses it most. preservation of wilderness benefits us all, benefits the planet,
benefits the other critters on the planet.
the fact is: once land, flora and fauna are destroyed they cannot be returned to natural state. the few users locked out by wilderness designation
can go somewhere else to accomplish same activities. ecosystems cannot relocate their activities.
people are passionate about use of public lands. having seen so much land destroyed in my lifetime, i can NEVER fault people trying to save the last
few scraps of public land before destruction through extraction of over use or development. the world has a limited and finite amount of wilderness
left, i am all for saving ALL of it. if we slowly chip away at wilderness, some day there will be none left.
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David K
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Saving if for WHO???
It is PUBLIC land... WE are the public! While there are a few people who break the rules (in all areas of life), there is no need to punish the rest
of us tax payers from enjoing the land we pay for, with repect.
Driving a 4WD or ORV on a dirt path or dirt road does 'not ruin' anything... I mean the road is already there (we cannot make new dirt roads on public
lands) for access to see and enjoy the area.
It is a great way to introduce the wilderness to everyone. Since tax payers have jobs, the use of a vehicle allows the experience in our limited off
time. Maybe ex-hippies living on welfair have time to hike for days and days? Not all of us have such disrespect for society to not work as much as we
can.
The desert is the most durable terrain on earth... a wind storm or flash flood or earthquake erases any trace of a vehicle being there. Closing down a
sand dune to dune buggies because you don't like the tracks they leave is as insane as closing down Snow Summit because of the tracks skiers leave! I
think the snow is prettier without the ski tracks on it... so we should ban snow boards and skis???
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