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By the way,
Remember the part about the submarines? We all had a good laugh about that, right?
Well recently it has come to light of the Columbian drug dudes building these drug smuggling submarines and ones that just float below the surface.
google for ***** and giggles.
Just saying, gives one pause..........?.?.?
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Maybe this will do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Hmm, y'all must have different pages than I do...? |
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that took some work---but not as much work as making soup----whatever kind of soup that was
Is it 88 now?
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You know what really peees me off about this whole land/home purchase process in Mexico. Here I am after 48 years of working and ready to retire and
all this crap comes to light. With the current judical system in Mexico how can anyone not feel that they are going to get screwed at anytime no
matter how much dudiligence they the do or lawyers, notories, or whatever they employ to cover your ass. I do not have gobs of $ to sacrifice to this
corrupt system. All the crooks have to do is out bribe you and your invest is GONE. I do thank this post and many, many others for shedding light on
the subject.
You should see all the deals on owning waterfront property in Gulf Shores Alabama or the Florida's panhandle (no State income tax). There you can
protest, call the government names, own a gun, feel safe, etc.
Damn Mexico. Get your act together before no one comes. Really feel sorry for the ones who can not sell your home and get out of Dodge, like the guy
who gave his home away at the Orchards that once was worth over $200k a few years ago. That's where I had my eye on retirement living for over twenty
years.
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Too humid for me in the Gulf Shores of Florida -----
but you did hit page 88!!!
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Global Fido's...
Lobsterman... don't see how you could be upset... we are in the world of "Global Fido's" it would appear...
The United States does real estate transactions the same as Mexico... "Titles !!.. we don't need no stinking titles"...
So... would appear buying "property" in Baja or in Cleveland OH, is much the same.. take your chances... as it is the same game.. just a big rip...
And one other.. would expect to see another drop in housing pricing of around 30% or more in the States... which will mean what to "values" in Baja..
Sorry was going to stop at page 88.... and we have reached it...
just one last add on... to set the record straight on what was said by one side.. and supported with documentation...
One can not stated that something is invalid, unless they can provide documentation to support such a statement ... well, they can say anything.. but,
the validity becomes suspect with out support...
Like I own this house, here is the Title.....
Also, any statement which alledges that I "hate" any of these individuals is absoululy ridiculus ... I don't know any of these individuals, nor will I
.... most likely... I don't travel to this location, don't intend in buying property in Baja or Mexico.. for the reasons which Lobsterman as
outlined... my tolerance to risk is very, very low... been renting for a year so far.. and that is just fine with me... I have no desire to invest in
property in Mexico.. why, I can rent what ever I want where ever I want...
Property is about the worst "investment" one could possibly make at this time.. given my circumstance...
Hell, I'm thinking about check Vegas out for rentals .... those guys.. have more vacant rooms than the Central African Republic
As stated before.. I'm an old guy with not much to do .... and spend a lot of time in bed, due to being handicapped ... so.. to help you out, as it
appears, that you wish to base your posts on "gist" "evolution" and your take on what was posted .. I went back and copied every post (which is still
up under the name of ramuma53)
Please note that the date and time of posted, is in chronological ordered from the "board" starting with the first post... there are number of
pages.... but, it does show what was said, as compared to what is alleged to have been said. And it will state again, that it was not Mr. Munoz to
first make allegations broaching alleged "involvement" .. in this thread about cooking of turtle meat illegally
I stopped copying at page 70 as that is where I made a request for a report be supplied with supporting documentation .. it is the first post on page
70 if you wish to again see what I had hoped to "see" which would allow one to arrive at a fact based conclusion.
posted on 4-14-2009 at 03:34 PM ramuma53
My friends, it is clear that Olivia and Mark were selling and cooking for sale Turtle, that at this time is a protected specie in extintion danger,
the fact that it is good or bad to eat is not on debate or the fact, it also looks like the fact that they killed the turtles and cooked them is not
argued by Mark, Olivia's husband; the fact is that at this time, it is a Federal ofense to do that and she was caught in the act, a fact that not even
they denie; who blew the wistle is of no importance because if I knew I would have done it myself, but the same Conapesca authorities busted several
places that day, looks like it was an area action, we know that they searched the Hotel Buenaventura too, but found nothing illegal, but in the
Restaurant El Zargazo owned by Olivia and Mark, they found the big pot of stew cooking, full of people waiting for it and the heads of the poor
turtles in the trash can; also she was trying to go out of it, by saying that she is a MAFIA member or a Mafia Member relative; are those people who
some people argue are good guys, then my notion of a good guy is out of place; Is Mexico a lawfull place or not, are we going to protect the
endangered species or not, are we against the Mafia or not.
posted on 4-14-2009 at 04:50 PM ramuma53
As you said, it may have been a tradition, but only a culinary one; also the Aztecas had a tradition to kill people and that doesen't mean you can do
it now; the real thing is that the turtles were put under protection for a reason, people were eating them to extintion and now it is a federal felony
worst than killing a human, at least if you kill a human, you can argue that you were deffending yourself, but that is hard to argue against a Turtle;
also I dare you to kill a Gray wale and then argue it is an Skimo Tradition, lets see if you manage to stay out of jail in any part of America.
On your line of tought, then why forbid cocaine consumption, that won't be going away soon either, or for that matter of fact any illegal drug
consumption or even Discrimination against blacks or Mexicans, after all it was a Kukus Klan tradition or not.
The fact my friend, regardless of if it was a good food, it was a tradition or anything, is that it is Illegal all over the world now, for a very good
reason, they are in extintion danger and as a consequence it is illegal to even look at them in a bad way; traditions change and have to be forgoten
all the time and this is one we all should enforce, if we want our grandchildren to see a live turtle swiming in the sea, or are you palnning on
telling yours that there are no more turtles because we were unable to change a culinary tradition.
posted on 4-14-2009 at 11:50 PM ramuma53
Well we are in Internet I think, a Real Estate war exist between people who actually buy land and hold it for proffit; here we have Olivia Higuera
Aguilar claiming that Munoz papers are false and nobody bothered to ask her por proff; actually she made a formal complain to the Federal Police, who
investigated the matter and who found out that the title was real and legal and that Olivia has no title or right or reason and the case was droped by
the Federal authorities and anyone who want proff, there is no better place than the Public Registry with cadastral number 3-03-157 and Public
regsitry number 340 book 178 in Santa Rosalia, you will find all the legal history incluiding the Federal investigation that finally recognized that
the title was legal; even the Predial tax is paid on that property since 1971 to 2008 on Munoz name with no debt.
Now try to find anything there on Olivia's name, nothing, absolutely nothing, she only has a private contract with Ejido La Purisima afecting a piece
of land on the Kilometer 94 to 95, but San Buenaventura is on Kilometer 93; she simply is on the wrong place and that is why the Ejido La Purisima
droped the lawsuit against Munoz, they are no longer fighting him; now, do you want and American's independent opinion, just ask Mr. Thad Braxton who
live in Buenaventura beach like me at thadbrax@yahoo.com , he is one of the people who Olivia claim Munoz took the house from him, but he is still
there and not fighting Munoz at all but is being sued by Olivia who want to take his house from him through the Agrarian Tribunal at this very minute.
Here we have a person (Olivia) who acuse exactly of what she is doing, who don't have a single paper sustaining her property rights, acusing a person
who have everything legal and who was catched in the act by federal police of selling as food a protected specie.
That is why I claim that there is no balance of eveidence between themat all, all the evidence is in Munoz favor and absolutely no evidence on Olivias
favor and don't get me wrong, I will end up paying rent to one or the other, only I already saw all the legal evidence by myself and thorugh my
attorney, simply Olivia has no legal case, only a newspaper case or an Internet case.
By the way, she is already out on Bail.
posted on 4-15-2009 at 12:05 AM ramuma53
And sorry about that tripledigitken I understand what you wanted to say and clearly know you will not buy illegal turtle now, but we are always
claiming that there is no justice for Americans in Mexico but I think this show that there is justice in Mexico, not strong enought to hold her in
jail for long, but I don't think she will have her restaurant for long after this.
Also if you want any proff, just ask Munoz at director@munoz-industries.com , he has always provided everything asked for, with no questions asked.
posted on 4-15-2009 at 11:31 AM
Well, Baja Gringo, that is the problem, I am citing court cases, and you cite me newspaper articles with personal opinions; if you call personal
opinions evidence equal to court cases, then a problem arises; I am citing Public registry data, no newspaper opinions; I myself checked the legal
data and found the public documents where they are supposed to be, in a public office and there you find Police investigations and the result of
those, you find the Ejido La Purisima droping the claim that Munoz property is illegal and theirs, since he bought the land from the Federal
government and part of the procedure was conducted with the Ejido signature and seal.
On Semarnap, Munoz is not on Federal Zone, his property is the land on the side while Olivia is holding a Federal Zone concesion that allow her only
to have a Restaurant and palapas, her rent of bungalows ai unlawful as is to sell alchoolic veverages there; also and clearly selling turtle is not
allowed and is unlawful.
Clearly to obtain a right opinion we have to compare the same kind of proff to one side or the other.
What I am saying is that Munoz have all kind of legal verifiable and solid proffs while Olivia has only newspaper opinions sent by herself and her
husband.
Also, some of you sy you smell a rat; as if somebody had put the turtle on her, but remember that she was caught cooking it in her restaurant with the
heads in the restaurant kitchen by herself and her cook who was also detained; if somebody put her up to that she must have participated and accepted
to cook it and that is her own action, not something put there by somebody.
She was caught by a Marine commando operative, with a Propesca representative and Semarnao representative who were looking to all the commercial
kitchens and she was one of the two catched in the act; they argue that the turtle was for their own food but they had 2 big turtles for a couple of
people that is incredible; that is why she is in trouble, not because her land problems; lest not loose objectivity.
posted on 4-15-2009 at 04:00 PM
As we know, they checked El Burro, the Hotel Buenaventura and several other kitchens, but in Bahia Concepcion only Olivia Higuera Aguilar in
Restaurant El Zargazo and another Lady named Gorosabe on Requeson beach were caught selling and cooking it for sale, they caught another place near
Constitucion, but they say they checked about 200 places with only those 3 catches.
The Propesca commisioner was in Baja for 3 days only coming from Sonora, so the operative was staged to take him to as many places as they could in
those 3 days, his visit was published and only a fool may have been catched selling sea turtle, but aparently Olivia didn't care or didnt know of the
area operative, but it was obvious, it was easter vacation, it happen all over Mexico, besides, those operatives should be more frequent.
Also, looks like a lot of people are very willing to accept sea turtle as food and don't mind people selling it, some sound like they are even hurt
that she was caught in the act of cooking 2 big sea turtles, with a big pot of stew, 2 blody shells and 2 heads in her posesion.
My friends, that is a federal ofense and a hideous crime and more for sale, lets get our values straight and avoid double standards.
it is not up to us to decide how criminal this act is, it is a criminal act agaisnt nature, no way around.
posted on 4-15-2009 at 09:56 PM
Well Diver, even if I don’t write very often, that doesn’t make me new, I am registered since 2003 and that makes you the newcomer, not me, so I am
not exactly new here, I am a tenant of Mr. Munoz who live in Buenaventura Beach and I am not stomping it down your throats, I just don't like wrong
statements circulating without commenting on them and those are not my facts, those are public facts, legal facts that I know and that I have not just
extracted from an newspaper; of course, I investigated it because it affect me, I live there, but I went to the bottom of it with my attorney and if
you do that, you will find that Mr. Munoz simply is the land owner and that Olivia used to work for him and had only a power of attorney, then she was
fired and got the Federal Zone on her name, while the Hotel that has never been hers, paid for it, and the bills are in the Hotel accounting to prove
that fact; we the Buenaventura tenants have been there since 1994 and Munoz have been the owner since 1971 for what I know and with the Ejido
knowledge and consent, I am not alone living there, Mr. Thad Braxton and Mr. Murphy and Mr. Stan Valentine also live there and all of them pay rent to
Mr. Munoz not to Olivia, just ask to Mr. Stan Valentine how much money was extorted from him by Olivia and her husbands and if he has lost a penny
with Mr. Munoz.
It just revolt my stomach to see how people just believe what Olivia print in the clearly interested party newspaper; just write to that newspaper and
see if they print first page 8 columns 7 times what you said but they print even false statements from Olivia every time; yes there is a rat, but it
is not Munoz and time will give me the reason, just wait for it, we really have time on Baja to wait for anything, or not?.
My question may be, why so much interest to protect a criminal? What I tell is a public true supported by public documents; why sustain the Olivia's
myth as a victim when she is really the attacker and the known criminal; at this time she has 8 criminal prosecutions in Mulege and one Federal now;
from wounding an American with intent to kill to robbery and damages and lying to authorities, just ask the district attorney in Mulege, not me; she
was even sentenced for stealing from an American couple a few years back but anyway she never paid the money back; those are known facts by all the
people who live near us and now you, because you asked suggesting a bad intention; if you ask, you will get hard facts about Olivia all over the
place.
posted on 4-15-2009 at 10:29 PM
El iNVESTI8 of course I am Mexican by birth and my name is Eduardo Villa Arellano, I will never deny it, just worked hard in American and came back,
my main language is Spanish, that fact is not a secret or the point here.
About protecting our houses, you are right because every year our houses get robed in October when we go to America, but armed guards are expensive
and that is why we don't do it, but we really need them, that is true.
About calling Mr. Munoz "Mano Negra", it is a disrespect act, but it is because he always use a black glove, because of an industrial accident; also,
as I told you, he has never taken anything from nobody here in Buenaventura Beach, just ask the hometenants here.
About the newspaper article saying that he took some houses in some other place, we laugh about it here, because he does not even know the place where
those houses are, as they are shown on the newspaper and if you segest he took a house here, these houses are his property, we are just renting them
from him, but anyway he has not taken anyone's house here.
Those are the lies I was talking about, printed in the newspaper without even corroborate them as true facts, clearly Olivias is trying to discredit
him and she has a lot of expensive help and that is something that smell like a rat, but people who know him personally will always give you the real
thing, he is not bad at all and will help anybody who need it, as many people can tell you here and in Mulege, we just don't care about the newspaper.
The other fact is that Olivia commited a crime by her own acts, may be a sting, but she fell for it, it is like as if I ask you to kill somebody and
you do it; you will only do it if you are an assasin, even if it is a sting and stings are used to catch criminals all over the world, just ask Mr.
Delorean.
The fact is that those sea turtles are dead because she cooked them to sell them as food and that is a crime, here in Mexico and in the USA too, she
may had just refused to cook them as anyone of us would have done, I am sure.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 12:29 PM
Ok. first Sharkbaja
Those are lies, Requeson or Buenaventura roads never were closed, and if you know the area, through Requeson road you can access any other beach;
there were other 3 entrances that were closed for security reason; as you must know, last year an American was killed in La Armenta and closing all
those entrances enhanced the area security because to enter the beaches you have to pass in front of a lot of people; so the bottom of it is that the
beaches never were closed and it was a complete lie as every authority there is, found out because motivate by 5, 8 columns first pages on El
Sudcaliforniano went to verify and ask every person arround, but when they arrived, Requeson was full of people and completely open, the same for
Buenaventura; the funny thing is that the day the first news came out, the Estate police was there because they were investigating the roberies in our
area, so the Police commander and agents are withnesses that the beaches were never closed.
That is what I am talking about, you have to be there to know the true facts, the nespaper is printing every lie Olivia send them, without even
checking on it.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 01:08 PM
ELINVEST8 now, you are bringing out exactly the right questions, lets comapare the two caracters and I know the two of them.
Engineer Rafael Munoz Martinez, also attorney at law, was a Senate Candidate for North Baja on the 2000 elections, he owned then the ABC Baja
newspaper and has a lot of journalistic trophies, past president of 2 small land owners associations in Rosarito beach, he was teaching martial arts
ar the Army School when he was 18 years old, advisor for 2 lawmakers, congresswoman Mercedes Erdman and Mercedes Maciel, he founder of the Workers
Party in Rosarito Beach and security advisor for the Mexican Army, I would trust any amount of money to Munoz while feeling safe and more would be
overkill ok, but remember thr Army connection.
Olivia Higuera Aguilar, she used to work for the Electrical Company in Mexicali Baja, whith her ex husband Michael, she started bringing all kind of
stuf from Central Mexico and bought even an airplane, they were bringing even wores to Buenaventura restaurant and one of them run off with her
husband; two of her older brothers were killed in drug wars in Mexicali, she is a realtive of Martin Anaya Gorosave and just check on that one with
your local DEA; she has 8 open criminal prosecutions in Mulege one of them for injuryes to an American with intent to kill and now one Federal for the
turtles; she is selling alchool without a legal Federal permit for Federal Zone, she rent a house when it it prohibited by law to sub lease any part
of Federal Zone and now she was caught cooking and selling sea turtle; also all arround here we see the unloading of boats at 3 AM and the next day a
lot of policemen coming for 10 minute visits to her restaurant and have seen the army trying to catch them running all over the beach several times,
she was sentenced along with her ex husband Mike for taking in a fraudulent way money from Mr. and Mrs. Christ, a couple who gave them money to build
a house and got nothing and she never paid back a cent; she took more than $250,000 USD from my neighbor Mr. Stan Valentine who never got a cent back.
To who would you trust some money?
Also a lot of times, Olivia and Mark refuse service to Mexicans in her restaurant and refuse to grant access to the boats ramp and that is also
against the law.
As you see, you have to know facts first hand to really have an opinion, but don't belive me, ask my neighbors who are Americans like Mr. Thad and
Lora Jones at thadbrax@yahoo.com , or Mr. Stan Valentine or Mr. Murphy at TERRYRMURF@aol.com who are deffending themselves from Agrarian claims from
Olivia, who is trying to get their houses. and gues who is helping us to keep our houses, Mr. Munoz.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 01:46 PM
BajaGringo
Concerning the land, I am sorry to tell you that the land at this minute is not subjected to any trial, because the Ejido La Purisima backed up their
claims against Munoz, because they found out through official channels that Munoz property title was good and legal after a 2 years investigation by
the Federal Police because an Olivia claim, so there is never going to be a Supreme Court ruling because there is no trial, the only trials are Olivia
against the home tenants, JUICIO AGRARIO: TUA-48-047/2006. POBLADO LA PURÍSIMA MUNICIPIO DE COMONDÚ and others against us;
trying to collect $250,000 USD from each one of us, but it has already been proved that her Ejido Land is 1 Km north of Munoz property and does not
everlap.
At this minute nobody is challenging Munoz property rights in any court, all the claims have already been dropped after investigation.
Also, our topic was not about the land, it was about the morality of killing turtles and cooking them for sale; this started because I see that many
of us, take this ban as a shalow thing, like if the bad thing is that she was caught cooking a big stew pot, with 2 bloody shells and two turtle heads
in her trash can, all this in a restaurant full of people waiting for the food.
You acuse me of being biased, but I see a lot of bias from people who do not personally know the real facts or Mr. Munoz or the whole story.
Also you acuse Munoz of drug connections and say it as if you know it for a fact; if you knew him, you will know it is exactly the oposite, he is on
the other side and I know that Olivia use Crack and cocaine because I have been there and I know that with Munoz, he don't even smoke cigaretes and
drugs are out of the question.
My friends, any one of you have access to DEA, just ask for the two of them, you will get a very different opinion about both of them; there Mr. Munoz
is known as Mr. Munoz while Olivias is known as "La Vaquera" and her Mafia realtive as "El Gordo" and just look at the records there.
Of course I am angry, but I am mad about those drug landings on our beach at 3:30 AM, the roberies and violence against all of us, who suposedly came
to Baja to a paradise.
I also know a lot of people who think Olivia is a nice people, but not many Mexicans think like that, or for that matter any person who lives on
Buenaventura beach Mexican or American.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 02:00 PM
tripledigitken
Don't worry, Munoz is not selling, but fore sure if it comes to that, I will any time buy a house from Mr. Munoz without losing my sleep and with time
I asure you, this place is going to be one of the safest and legal places on Baja, we are not just reading newspapers, we are doing something and yes
I am extremely biased against killing turtles and losing my house to Olivia.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 02:02 PM
I forgot, slender is when you tell lies, just try to prove any of my words as a lie, you would find even more and more on the same direction, that is
why I became bias, I wasn't, now I am, because I investigated myself.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 02:04 PM
Also Jesee, others already noticed it, why are you so adamant on defending her? what is your bias or hiden interest?
posted on 4-16-2009 at 02:19 PM
Bajajack
all of us give a cram, we live here and we ant to live in a lawful place, that is why we are in board, reading about Baja
posted on 4-16-2009 at 02:51 PM
Bajagringo
You are right, you did not said anything on Mafia, but we are discussing a topic here and others did it and I asure you the one who said it, got the
point
It looks like many of our board friends make questions, but don't like the answers from people who are there and when it involves personal action,
they preffer to just talk, but we who live here have to act and that is why we know every fact and when you get personally involved, sooner or latter
you make your descision on where to stand and I am there, I know where I am standing and what I want, a clean and safe and drug free Baja with all its
beauty parts in place for now and the future; here we are just talking, but you ask questions that have an answer that cost us a lot of actions and
money to investigate.
Of course sooner or latter Olivia will come in Line, but she will not be able to explain why she killed the turtles or why she kooked them in her
restaurant.
On the property question, I know that many of you don't know and don't really care to investigate yourselves, actions are only for the affected people
like me or my neighbors, but if you are not ready to make a judgement, don't give opinions on matters that you are not ready to corroborate and give a
first hand opinion; here in internet, we have the responsability to say the true facts we know, but also you can be questioned by anybody, even with
fool questions or by people not really concerned who just say worng things, but that is the beauty of Internet, it is free speech, just if you ask, be
ready to analyze the information you get back and this is not for you Bajagringo, is fo all of our board friends.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 03:00 PM
Jesee
you afirm that both are wrong, do you personally know any of them to afirm that any of them are wrong? I do, I know both of them and read the same
newspapers, only I have first hand information, I am here and I can tell you, she in free on bail, Propesca will fine her $750,000 pesos, Profepa
something similar and Semarnap will close her retaurant forever and those are news you will read in the same newspapers in the near future.
You really want to be able to say who is wrong, just go to the Agrarian Tribunal there in La Paz and ask, even the dogs outside know about this, but
get first hand information and then tell us what you found.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 10:30 PM
Bajagringo
To Munoz, I consider him as a friend but he is also my landlord, and you will find that same answer from all the house tenants in Buenaventura beach,
to Munoz Industries, I would like to have a relationship, but no, sorry for me but I don't have any.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 10:49 PM
Skipjakjoe
About the turtles you are completely wrong since we have always tried to protect the sea turtles, some times when the fishermen bring the turtles for
sale as meat, only some times they have them all tied up but alive and on those ocasions I have paid for them as meat and then released them in to the
sea, they sell them for as little over a hundred dollars a big one and when I have them I do it; the crime is to harm them, not to pay to release
them; all my neighbors really care about the Bahia Concepcion enviroment, it is our yard, I snorkel a lot, the same as them and the rays and the
turtles are a joy to watch free, but the ray killings ar very high too.
On Olivia, she deserve this and more; I wont do anything to create her a harm but she do it herself prety good anyway.
If Olivia were a good neighbor, she may stay there forever as it concern to me, but she is not, she is the debil in paradise; I know she used to be
better but her actions dictate our feelings; we used to go to her restaurant with Feliciano and have a good time, but now it is imposible, she is
always high on something; she used to be beautyful, but just look at her now.
Anyway, now she is a known liar and an adict who cant control herself and that is why she have not been able to reach an agreement with Munoz; I know
that he at one time he offered her $50,000 USD to avoid conflicts but, she went and started the fight; just a few days ago, in front of me, Munoz
asked her to propose something within reason and the next day she started with the lies in the newspaper about closing the beaches.
What would you do with a neighbor like that? love her? No, I don't even apreciate her now and as soon as she go out of Buenaventura, the better for
everybody, she is just prolonging her agony.
posted on 4-17-2009 at 07:31 AM
buenaventura
To all concerned; yes, I have been involved in many different and some very bad situations, affecting my business for more de 19 years, my reputation,
my image and my life of all the ones I love including our families and friends. I am not going to tell you all of the details of this lately federal
offense that indeed happened in my restaurant on Saturday April 11th, Easter weekend, because is and going to be under investigation. I am working in
my restaurant and my business is open that’s a big plus, yes it is a huge felony and you don’t stay out to tell the story, you go straight to a
federal prison and might be 1 to 9 years in jail, but who ever is trying to nail me down didn’t do it right. I was not selling “soup”, I DID NOT KNOW
because the food was bring to my restaurant cooked and ready to be serve, I was not making money with it, it was for a group of Mexican families from
Ensenada and they were going to pay for the drinks and service as well for the use of the facilities of the beach and restaurant. The officials from
Pesca and Sagarpa including the marines were there for hours and DID NOT find any illegal and/or out of season species in my freezers or
refrigerators, what they found in a pick-up truck outside the restaurant in the garbage containers was these plastic bag with parts of a turtle, 2
heads, 4 fins and the chest or bottom part of it, NO BLOOD OR GUTS. Also parts were in a plastic bag type that I do not have here. No other parts were
found.
Someone called after dropping off a blue covered pot at my restaurant and said “there is a pot blue with turtle at Buenaventura. Parts of turtle in
trash, and drugs under the computer.
Rafael Munoz “el mano negra” mentions that I have several reports in Mulege for different “crimes” but HE does’nt say that he is the one that made all
these accusations against me and fail in all of them.
If anyone has questions about me and wants to know more about these nightmare feel free to come to my restaurant, because I am not going to play this
BS that Munoz plays.
Muchas gracias, Olivia Higuera.
posted on 4-17-2009 at 08:10 AM
I am very proud of my wife Olivia who is 51 years. I think she has done very well against Munoz. We have been dealing with this individual for nearly
seven years. Now with reading his posts some of you know what we have enured for all these years.
I have some handsome pictures of Rafael Munoz that i would like to share. How do i attach to a post?
posted on 4-17-2009 at 06:28 PM
Well the poachers appeared
Mark is saying now that I am a bodyguard, hope I look like one at least; well it is hard to be a bodyguard for Munoz when I am here in Buenventura
while he has been in New York for 3 weeks now, don't you think? Mark I saw you a couple of times today, you even told me you will do something against
my life and Munoz life yesterday, don't you remember? and you claim that you know Munoz is not here, something that is true, rare on yourself but true
this time; you don't make any sense but we are begining to uncover you and really understand you.
Last time you were saying that Olivia was cooking the stew for your own consumption in Loreto and now you are saying that it was already prepared and
was going to be served for some Ensenada families.
I would like to know any person here in this board who knowing that it is illegal sea turtle will serv it in his house.
Well, I can now call you a poacher and a liar freely and you know I will do it to your face, it is not the first time.
Concerning your brush with the Mexican army, why don't you tell them that that day 2 boats were being unloaded ar 3:30 Am on your ramp and when you
saw that some people were looking at you, everybody ran; of course the the military arrived late because miraculously the hotel telephone was burned
that same morning and the hotel pick up tires were punctured; I know, random events of course.
You start not looking like victims anymore.
posted on 4-17-2009 at 06:36 PM
O and Caboron
we have heard those screams coming from Olivia's restaurant several times and also a nice pigy was killed there very cold fashion by Mark, with a
knife; I was unable to even touch jam for a month after that; also remember that you killed one our little dogs, only 3 months old with a shovel Mark;
just don't try to hide it, it is showing this time all over the place.
posted on 4-17-2009 at 06:42 PM
Just to check on the Sudcaliforniano news, we went today to Santa Rosalia to fix our phone and just for fun went to Santa Ines the place where the
newspaper claim Munoz took some houses, for your information, there, they don't even know who Munoz is; then how is it possible that El
Sudcaliforniano keep printing your screams every time, even if they are not true and this one anyone can check, just look for somebody from that area,
even you Mark.
posted on 4-17-2009 at 06:44 PM
Oliguacamole or bether said Olivia Higuera Aguilar, I am intense because it is illegal to kill sea turtles and the turtles losses can not be cut like
you cut their necks; what do you feel when they scream Olivia?
osted on 4-17-2009 at 07:00 PM
BajaGringo please read and see that even Olivia and Mark know me, they said that I am Munoz bodyguard but I am not fore sure I don't have the body or
the training; she is calling me her neighbor don't you see and yes we are neighbors and we know each other very well and I know them too well for
their own good by now.
you try to make an issue because we use Munoz computer to write, sorry but everything here is his property, even the computers and satellite
connection and email accounts; please don't try to confuse the fact that we are talking about protecting the eviroment here, that is the topic, don't
loose it.
posted on 4-17-2009 at 07:09 PM
Well, I se Olivia just went offline without answering, she noticed that she inclriminated herself, well, remember when I told you that she does the
worst harm to herself; I rest my case, good night.
posted on 4-17-2009 at 07:15 PM
O and Olivia, now that you mention the end of lower Agrarian court trials, dont forget to tell them that those cases are against us your neighbors,
that you are trying to take our homes from us and collect $250,000 USD from each one of us, you lost against Munoz, but you are still going against
us; just go to court and see that our appeal is in, so don't be so happy so soon.
posted on 4-17-2009 at 11:50 PM
Ok, Bajagringo, you keep on believing that I am Munoz, even if it has no consequence for this discussion, but for your information, the Munoz
Industries email is the email used here at the hotel for reservations by internet and is very public; the hotel and everything incluiding the
computers are Munoz Property, and I mean the houses where we live too; if you want to communicate with Munoz, you have to use the same email and that
is director@munoz-industries.com and that will come to the hotel also, he has private emails, but just email him direct and he will answer, he reads
everything and he has always been a gentlemen; also his english is a lot better than mine, but lets keep to our topic.
Today the Hotel Buenaventura got an email from Green Peace and they are going to press the federal authorities to make an example of these poachers
and also from other pro nature organizations that have read about this HERE and came through the hotel webpage and yes through the same Munoz emails
that we can see here.
Looks like the poachers are not going to have it as easy as they tought; closing of the restaurant is asured and voiding of the Federal Zone concesion
a must.
I also found out that killing a turtle has a heavier penalty than killing a human; if you kill a human and show at least some self preservation you
will stay only 2 to 4 years in jail while a killing a turtle carry a 12 years jail sentence, more fore who cook it, sell it and or transport it.
I also called Munoz about this conversation I have been having and he will enter the board in the next few days; looks like I am a lot more expresive
than he is.
posted on 4-18-2009 at 12:54 PM
My friends, for that matter, at one time I was corossing the border Tijuana San Diego with new boots bought in Tijuana, those were turtle leather; at
the San Ysidro border entrance, Customs confiscated my boots and didn't charged me, but I was afraid to looose my greencard then; happyly I was able
to demostrate that I had just bought the boots in a legal shoe store and I know that that store was closed a few weeks later, so it is no easy thing
to posses, transport, sale or even use sea turtle products.
Actually the law forbids the harrasing, catching, harming, sale and transportation of sea turtles or its products or derivates; if you have an old
shell, it is not a crime as long as you don't transport it, sale it or cross the border with it.
On the other side, Olivia was catched with two fresh LOODY shells from 2 sea turtles, being cooked on her restaurant stove in a big pot, with the two
real fresh heads in the kitchen INSIDE trash container; also she accept that she was warming it as a favor to some Ensenada families who were inside
her restaurant for free while every person who know Olivia must know that she would never do that for free, that is an imposibility, she always charge
for everything, no exception and even her friends know that.
My friends, also note that the hotel has no telephone at this moment, since last boat unlodading on Olivia's Restaurant and the Propesca raid was
after that, so the tip could not have come from the Buenaventura hotel and we know that the only other telephone 15 miles orround is in Olivia's
restaurant, so the tip must have come from her restaurant, maybe one customer or employee or husband of her did it and since she charge for telephone
use, she must know who did the on time calls.
Also, Mark was not there very conveniently and since he is the restaurant co owner, or at least he say that, it is extrange, don't you think.
But anyway, they are known poachers now, they even accept that they had the Sea Turtle in their restaurant for their customers service free or not,
they say free, but that is hard to believe even for her adamant protectors here.
The real question is, Do we condone the actual serving of Sea Turtle in a restaurant today???????
It is not a matter that in the past we like it or not, because I used to like it; not as a tradition, because it was not; they just were selling it
all over Tijuana; it was not like turky tradition, we just were able to get it anyplace; of course in Baja, if you went to an able home, they will
offer the best and that was Sea Turtle, now they offer shrimp the same way, or fish; Sea Turtle was not a tradition, it was the best at that time; now
only the ones who are able to brake the law with impunity do it, being a corrupt governor or politician, but it is like inviting you to be their
associate in crime.
We are not loosing tradition when we are not able to serve Sea Turtle in our homes, we can still make that dish, they call it Cahuamanta; it taste the
same, the flavor is the same except it is made of fish, ray meat and beef' so the tradition can continue without the Sea Turtles participation.
When all over the world the lawmakers in our representation, baned the Sea Turtles from our tables and menus, it was for a reason; the sea turtles
were being hunted to extintion; one way or the other, the Sea Turtles were gone from the tables, also they have become extremely expensive.
So we have not lost a tradition, we have not lost the excuisite dish and we are very willing to see the turtles sweeming in the sea, very alive.
We just need to take a step in to an active position and really protect the remaining sea turtles with our condoning or repudiating the ones that
break that law, being a governor, a politician, a policeman, a restaurant owner or a friend who serve it at home when he invite you. that is the
question for us here ???????????
posted on 4-18-2009 at 01:36 PM
Baja gringo
Still unable to solve that one; if you check in the internet Munoz curriculum vitae, you will notice that he is a Civil Engineer, an attorney at law,
speaks spanish, english and some italian; also he studied Physics, Electromechanical engineering, a lot of computng systems and know several
programing languages; does that sound like a guy who can do that and more ? and of course would not make as many mistakes as the humble of me.
Anyway, just listen to Olivia and Mark, the interested parties, they KNOW ME, they think I am his bodyguard, but are unable to explain how come the
bodyguard is enjoying the Baja beaches while the principal in in New York; doesent sound like the bodyguards I see in the movies at least.
posted on 4-18-2009 at 04:06 PM
Baja Gringo
I would prefer to remain out of this discussion for now, because there is an ongoing Federal investigation about the facts being discussed here. But
as an attention to my friend Eddy, I will make a small contribution of the facts known to be true, I know Eddy was there himself and he is not a liar
as far as I know, so I also think the same way he does, so just take his worlds as mine too, Olivia and Mark know I am not afraid of telling it to
their faces also, I have done it many times.
Baja gringo, What you know, is where an Internet protocol (IP) is assigned, and it is assigned where it enter the Physical Internet network, when it
is dynamic and uploaded to a satellite connection, It goes up the satellite stream in pockets and then down at the Internet Service Provider (ISP)
where it is assigned the Dynamic IP, where it enters the physical network; and since my Satellite Service Provider for Buenaventura Hotel is in
Tijuana, it is not bizarre you find that. Also, you will find that, if you locate the dynamic IP for my personal computer which is where I am sending
this comment from, it will always be in Tijuana. I have a contract for wireless broadband connection with Telcel in Tijuana and that means, that from
any place in continental America, it goes through the 3G Cellular networks, all the way to Tijuana and then it enters there to the physical Internet
network. So, I may be in any place in the world and as long as I use that connection, the dynamic IP is going to be a Tijuana assigned; so much for
you as a spy. But this is just a technical distraction since the main issue is solved, I uphold Eddie’s words as mine and he has my permission to use
my Hotel Buenaventura address and connections. Just take it as if I had said it; Is that enough for you?
Please, Eddie has a big mouth but, he seems to feel like he needs to set the record straight, I don’t. Your comments here do not affect me, in any
way, I only do it because it is not fair that you keep putting in doubt Eddie’s ideas, just because you don’t believe he is who he is. He is and has
my complete support if that is what you wanted to know, he is also not my bodyguard, he is shorter than me, I am the martial arts expert, not him, it
would work better the other way around.
Why do we know so much about Olivia’s investigation? Because I have several of my attorneys looking for ways that the law is not violated here. She
has done it locally for years, Federal is another sphere and she was caught by several law enforcement organizations with interlocking actions and
interest. Also, we have a presidential directive to fight organized crime and nature organizations are starting to act against her.
Why she was caught? She was caught, because she is under a Federal police microscope, for her boat unloading at 3:00 AM since years ago and this is
not a secret anyplace anymore. They were unable to catch her last time, but for sure the whole deal was observed by law officials and at that time, it
was no longer my say or my friends say anymore, everything else is a consequence.
Why is she so upset about me, because I put a whole system of cameras, even robotic cameras with 250 x zoom and starlight with the stream uploaded to
internet instantly and that system has been recording all her movements for months, including all the law officials’ visits after the landings? This
data is not in my possession anymore, so don’t get any ideas.
Mark, you try to appear like a hurt husband by unfair attacks on your poor wife. Those accusations have been there for years, and as I remember, you
ran from me every time I catch you in my property, not in a rhetoric way, you really run fast. Also, tell us why you are with a lady 20 years older
than you, that is by far no longer a beauty even if she was when she was younger and not so much in to drugs, I recognize. Also, many people saw you
very happy when she was arrested saying that you were now the owner.
Olivia may be many things, including now a poacher, but she has always been a lady, why are you so afraid that she may make a deal with me? Remember
last time when you practically dragged her from my presence, when she told me she wanted a deal? Mark, act like a gentlemen and let the lady off, you
are never going to be a millionaire as you dreamed; the lady deserves a fair chance in life, you are making her make life changing mistakes.
*****posted on 4-21-2009 at 03:19 PM
This is Rafael Muñoz Martinez, since a lot of what is said here is always put in doubt, I want to share some verifiable information from reputable
sources, sorry it is in Spanish, but I don’t want somebody to say I miss translated:
--------------------------------------
De: Everardo Mariano Melendez <emariano@conanp.gob.mx>
Fecha: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:19:42 -0500
Para: Aarón Esliman <aaron@grupotortuguero.org>, Everardo Mariano Melendez <ever1234@hotmail.com>, Ernesto Israel Popoca Arellano
<epopoca@conanp.gob.mx>
Asunto: RE: Restaurante sorprendido vendiendo Caguama en Bahia Concepcion, Mulege B.C.S.
Hola Aarón,
Efectivamente fueron detenidas dos personas del sexo femenino, con pruebas evidentes de dos tortugas que preparaban para guiso de caguama, fueron
remitidas ante el ministerio público federal por delitos ambientales, la PGR atrajo el caso y hasta lo último que supe fueron procesadas. Se les
encontró en el acto y con las evidencias periciales.
En Loreto nos pidieron ayuda para buscar depositarios del producto y le fue turnado el caso a PROFEPA. Me parece que este tipo de revisiones a
restaurantes debiese ser con mayor frecuencia y poner una alerta que tanto es culpable quien la captura como quien la consume.
Estamos en contacto!
Saludos.
Ever
Everardo Mariano Meléndez
Encargado del Despacho
Parque Nacional Bahía de Loreto
Tel: (613) 11350477
Paseo Pedro de Ugarte S/N
Col. Misioneros.
Loreto, B.C.S.
-----Mensaje original-----
De: Aarón Esliman [mailto:aaron@grupotortuguero.org]
Enviado el: mié 15/04/2009 17:40
Para: Everardo Mariano Melendez; Everardo Mariano Melendez; Ernesto Israel Popoca Arellano
Asunto: FW: Restaurante sorprendido vendiendo Caguama en Bahia Concepcion, Mulege B.C.S.
Hola Ever, me acaba de llegar esto, sabes algo de este asunto, creo que
sería bueno investigar por allá que apso con esto, se ve bastante feo y me
encantaría poder contestar algo a este cuate. Se los encargo mucho.
Saludos
Aarón
----------------------------
So I am not making it up, and Olivia was caught in fraganti cooking the Sea Turtle stew pot in her restaurant for sale to a lot of people, detained,
put in jail and she is free on bail, pending the administrative and criminal sanctions. Also, it makes clear that Mexican reputable Nature
Organizations are promoting the checking and pressing for the convictions, not me.
Some of you are right, Olivia or Oliguacamole just lost the little credibility she had here, because she invented something without knowing the Middle
Eastern costumes; the true is that I almost always use a glove, because of an industrial accident that happened in one of my business; I am a Civil
engineer, but also studied Law and I am an attorney at law, but as I say, I studied law to protect myself from my own attorneys, so it happened to me
when saving an employee of mine; I have my hand, so it is also false that I don’t have it or chopped off; it was burned and I can’t control the
temperature, so it does not get cold I almost always use the glove but I have the use of it, it is even evident on the photo Olivia shared with you
and the Sudcaliforniano and it is becoming clear who try to deceive you.
On the fact that Eddie said that I own my 1000 Has. Lot since 1971 when I was 18 years old, it is only partially true, because I claimed the property
at that time, but my private property title was issued in 1988 and a complement on 1992; I bought it from the Federal Government and the validity of
it was checked by the Federal Police and a Federal Judge thanks to Olivia and Mark, who denounced me formally of having a falsified title and at this
moment the Federal Police and the Federal Judge declared my title lawful; Olivia Know of it because that is the cause why the Ejido La Purisima,
dropped their claims against my title and me; also because in my file, they in 1985 ageed to my limits and signed and put their seal in agreement on
an official document, so I have no quarrel with the Ejido and if Olivia is part of the Ejido she should have done the same, but she is trying to
collect from my American tenants, but that is a legal battle that do not affect me and should not be part of this.
On Federal Zone, there you are in my knowledge sphere, It is very important for you who live near the sea to know what is Federal Zone and what is
not: Federal zone according to the law, is a 20 mts. strip of land measured WHEN THE COAST HAS A BEACH AND THE SOLID GROUND BESIDE THE BEACH IS LESS
THAN 30 DEGREES; ONLY THERE THE FEDERAL ZONE WILL BE MEASURED; this is very important because if there is no beach there is no Federal Zone and you
should not pay for it and this is the law since 1992 by decree; I know that this is not exactly the information the Federal Zone officials want you to
know, because what you pay for it, is in some cases 30% of the city income as is in Rosarito Beach; there, I as an expert witness won the cases for
Castillos del Mar and others, so it is a tested in court true; they want everybody to believe that the Federal Zone is 20 mts. From the sea, but it is
not, since on cleefs there is no Federal Zone, or where the solid ground is more than 30 degrees there is also not a Federal Zone. (If you need
details, just write me and I will give you exact details on the law.)
Another very important fact on Federal Zone is that even if you have the Federal Zone concession, you cannot charge for people using it or crossing
it, you can only use the consession only for the use authrized; also it is unlawful to sub lease any part of a concession; Federal Zone if public
property and no way around it; also you cannot sell alcohol on it or rent houses on it since it would be sub leasing; nobody can charge you for going
to the beach, they can rent you an umbrella, but they cannot prevent you from using it. Then you the Wagon Masters here will say “O but you charge” it
is true, I charge you for overnight parking your buses on my property, because I have a parking permit but if you go on foot and leave your bus on the
highway, nor me, or anybody can prevent you from using the beach, any land owner by law have to allow people to walk to the beach, not by car, walk;
you can see that the hotels always leave a narrow passage to the beach, enough to walk but not for vehicles, but in my case I allow free parking on my
property during the day and only when you stay overnight I charge them and that because they use the bathroom and the water cost me, since I bring it
by truck from Mulege 30 miles north.
Olivia does not have a parking permit because it is forbidden to park or use vehicles on the Federal Zone, you can only park or drive vehicles on the
property, out of federal zone and she has not been noticing that I allow her customers to park on my property without paying, but I can legally close
her access to the restaurant at any time I want. She even has to ask for my permission to cross my property and I have a letter signed by her, asking
for that permission and if she denies it I can show it, it was signed by her in front of a Navy Captain who also signed as witness.
I know that most of what Olivia do is because she don’t know the law and its details and that is why I say that if I disagree with her, she has always
been a lady, not a true telling lady but a lady.
Also so you can understand me, the Property tax on my property is $850,000 USD a year and that is way over the $5000 USD they pay and those prices
were put there by the lawmakers and that is done to force people to develop the valuable properties, but we will never do it with places like Olivia
there that cannot be moved or have a real money obligation according to what they prevent.
On the fact that she got the Federal Concession, I can comment and prove that she paid for that concession with the hotel funds and the payments are
in the Hotel accounting books and if she is not the Hotel owner, she took personal advantage of being at one time the Hotel manager, with a power of
attorney only (hope she does not denies it because I have a public notary document where she accept that, “she does not own any part of the hotel”).
Also just consider, I have a $750,000 USD investment in the hotel, pay taxes on the hotel and the property, while she rent a Federal Zone house
without paying any taxes, because it is unlawful to do it, she sells liquor without paying for a federal permit or tax and she uses my property as her
parking, because in Federal zone, she has no area, because she use it with buildings, that cannot be there, because in Federal zone you cannot put
permanent buildings.
posted on 4-22-2009 at 02:09 PM
Good question. From Oliguacamoles's Own words, or Olivia's or Mark own words here, they accepted and said here that they were going to serve the stew
to a group of Ensenada families, now the turtle was planted, make up your mind, because you lies are showing up here Olivia.
Ok you made a big mistake, just accept it; you know it will cost you a lot of money, but I don't think more than that, depending on how good they got
you and how hard the Nature organizations press to make an example of you, but you know that usually that do not happen, so just tell the true story.
by the way the black hotel's truck is in Loreto at the mechanic, do you want to check, also all my employees are in the hotel if you want to check
also.
I also agree that the people who was waiting to eat the turtles should have been prosecuted and Olivia must know who they are since she was making
them a really big favor by warming the turtle stew; you will do that free only for people who are very familiar with you so just ask them to come
forward and take the heat from you; if you don't know them, it means that it was for sale
Olivia, you are hanging yourself with your own words
Also Mark, you threatened my employees yesterday in Mulege at the tire store with killing them like it will happen to me; how is it that you are very
brave only with women, why don you threaten me in my face next time you see me instead of runing like like you always do ???????? many people say you
are a nice guy, but nice guys do not threaten to kill people, or they do??? let see you next time and you know you will see me.
posted on 4-22-2009 at 09:58 PM
Mark, this is not the first time you do it, only most of the times you do it in a situation where there is your word against some one else and you
never were brave enough to try it with me, but several times you have done it to women working in the hotel, only this time you did it in town, in
front of another people and in front of the tire store employees who were able to confirm that you went to them while changing a tire; I mention it
this time because you did it in public in in front of withness in a demostrabe way.
I know, dog that barg don't bite but what boders me is that this NICE GUY who sells sea turtle, do it only to women while always run when confronted
with men; you by experience know that you can not fight with me, you went down at the first blow last time you tried to atack us, Juan also put you
down when you atacked the mail man but that is no excuse to now do it exclusively with woman.
I own the place with property titles, I have a Hotel, you have only a concession on a 20 mts strip that belong to public property; you violate the law
in several ways, who do you think will go?
I have never even bothered your employees, but you know you do it all the time up to the point of going in to my hotel to tell people that you rent a
house cheaper, or you will denie it too Mark?
posted on 4-22-2009 at 10:01 PM
Sorry, but I have no court date, it is only Olivia Against 4 Americans from who she is trying to take their house; since the Ejdio droped their claims
against me, I am not a part of the claims; she was claiming that my titles were false and those have already proved true, so I have no court
apointment, I won already; sorry I ca not say the same for the 4 Americans.
yes it may be boring, but this board is 11 pages long with a lot of people saying something
posted on 4-25-2009 at 09:50 AM
ELINVEST8
1.- Olivia and Mark quit bringing and selling drugs to Buenaventura beach
2.- She and Mark quit acting like gangsters
3.- Let the District Atorney solve all the claims for good or bad, do not brive them.
4.- Quit bothering the Americans about their houses in Agrarian Court.
5.- Just stay in Federal Zone, do not invade my property
6.- One extra sorry DO NOT HARM AMIMALS.
Are those so difficult???? I think they are.
posted on 4-26-2009 at 11:30 PM
ELINVEST8
1.- We have seen the boats unloadings at 3 AM and I mean law enforcement officers and me but soon she will se about that.
2.- Friday, Mark did not let Mr. Thad Braxton put his boat in the water because he was going to give two mexicans a ride, he threatend my life and his
with 2 more witnesses and the formal complain will be presented to the district attorney tomorrow, Wednesday he threatened 2 of my employees in Mulege
in front of other people; is that acting as a gangster enough.
3.- Because we have 8 formal complains against Olivia and Mark for robery, robery with violence, lying to judicial authorities, damages and she has
one from Jimmy Rusell for wounds with intent to kill and the complains have been lost several times, never acte upon or sent to the judge with obvious
flaws to be rejected; the Estate District attorney is under invesigation at this time for those flaws that are allowing Olivia and Mark to be free.
4.- The houses are in my property and at this time my prpperty is beyond doubt thanks to her, not in Federal Zone.
5.- She on a daily basis, croses over my property with her verhicles, use my property and do not attend warnings no to use my property; if you try to
stop her, she will attack you with violence, that is why she have so many formal complains; she try to build a house over my property and there is a
formal complain for that too, we stoped them.
6.- Yes, Mark killed a pig on a very sadistic way with a knife, the pig was like a pet for everybody, he killed one of our dogs ith a shovel in front
of several people and there are morebut not to my personal experience.
1.- Her claim for rent on American people living IN MY PROPERTY, when the Ejido dropped its claims because it was proved that my property is NOT EJIDO
LAND and Olivia's contract is one mile north of my property.
4.0 you can see El Sudcaliforniano, she has published 8 columns first page 7 times lies against me that were proved false by the authorities.
6.- The property title was proved true by the Federal Police and the federal judge, if it had not hapened that way, I would be in jail at this time,
there is no open investigation against me for that, all the charges proved false; she has acused me of taking the property from her but her charges
have been dropped because I have proved to be the legal owner while she only has a private contract with the ejido for a piece of land 1 mile north of
mine.
posted on 4-27-2009 at 10:54 PM
You are certainly right, those acts are being denounced to the proper authorities, but there the problem arises, she buy them.
Today she invaded my property again, she is trying to build with heavy equipment over Federal one even if that is forbiden by law, I will send you
soon photos of these acts.
My friends, the poor turtles are being forgoten by the authorities but not for long since I know paper is flying from one office to the other, soon
those will reach Olivia and maybe the turtles will be vindicated and their sacrifice will serve to save some others.
Well from now on I will just report new acts of vandalism by Olivia with proff.
Why I do it? why do you think?, if she can commit any crime and not be prosecuted, the only defense is making it public, don't you agree?
it is simple.
posted on 4-28-2009 at 06:22 PM
Sorry Pescador, but to talk you have to know.
A concession is the right to DO the activity being allowed by it, but it does not mean you own the place; if you build a ramp in Federal Zone, you are
building on Public property and the instant you build it, it belongs to Public Property and nobody can charge for the use of public property or deny
the use of public property. Also there can be several different concessions for different people on the same area, for different uses. The ignorance
of the law is what makes Olivia make so many mistakes, but it is as easy as to just read the concession papers.
Today those guys not allowed to use the ramp, talked to the Federal Zone and Mulege City officials, they asked them to make a formal complaint against
the American, who did, that because it is a Federal Offense, a city violation and a Federal Zone violation; the City major will watch that the
District attorney do fallow the law in this case because there have been too many incidents on that restaurant El Zargazo where the law was not
applied.
The Federal Zone officials also said that Olivia came to them to try to force me to tear down my perimeter fence, but they denied to act because I
have proved my property rights beyond any doubt and confirmed that it is unlawful to deny the use of the ramp to any person, since Olivia and Mark
only have the right to use it, also said that the ramp is not on Federal Zone, it is in Marine Zone that is National Property, Federal Zone is the
strip that start where the high tide water ends and the beach start, where the water at high tide start, is Marine Zone not Federal Zone and
absolutely nobody can prohibit the access to a Marine Zone.
Also Mark (American) and Olivia (Mexican) are lying about not charging or pretending not to charge for people having lunch at the beach, they
continually try but are not allowed by us, at least in front of my hotel, we have stopped them hundreds of times, specially Mark and think how a
Mexican National feel when an American come and talk to him in English and try to charge him for the use of the beach or out with the police, he had a
lot of problems with people, but he is good at intimidating people, specially women, those are his specialty.
posted on 4-28-2009 at 06:46 PM
Mark, why dont you take me to court to make me tear down my fence? or why don't you complain in criminal court for me putting it up?
O but you did try it, but were turned away because you have no right to any land and I have demostrated that I own the place; wel keep trying.
I put the perimeter fence around my property because it is my right to do so and you weren't able to do anything against it, because you are not the
owners of anything.
At this time you only have the right to use the Federal Zone to sell food but ONLY in movable structures, in other words in a movable cart, not in
permanent buildings, that is against the law because you deny the right to use it to other persons, just read your concession.
I know you were bribing the Federal Zone guys, but new and honest are coming from Mexico City to see if you are using the Federal Zone in the way you
are allowed to, and do you know why they are comming, because your newspaper articles
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Mr T
Don't get me wrong I still love baja and will visit there starting in February (been going there since 1964). My first retirement adventure will be to
Mulege then down to my college buddy's place (John Ireland) at Rancho Leonero Resort. I'll be driving in the daytime and staying in protected hotels.
No more beach camping at Bahia Concepcion or the likes. I just will not invest any $ there. The lion's share of the Mexican people are wonderful.
It's just that the police, government and swindlers are mostly in cahoots with the criminals thus making any investment in mexican property very
risky. Who can you trust there knowing now that the judicial system is predicated on who bribes the most gets the property?
The point I was making is that with the pool of future buyers of baja property shrinking dramatically as the truth is exposed though BN, Fulano and
other message boards and blogs, who is going to buy your property when you have had enough of baja due to feeling unsafe, medical reasons, too old to
live there any more, just had enough, etc, like the poor guy who lost it all at the Orchard's.
Not me!
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I am still wondering why thousands in Baja have no ownership problems yet the few that do get more press on this board than the millions in the states
that have lost their homes to foreclosure.
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Lobsterman:
This is an answer to your Post has nothing to do with the Original Thread.
In 1967 I make my first flight to Loreto Baja Sur. After that in 1971 my friend and I Tio Don O>Neil bought a piece of property North of the La
Pinta. Bought in that we went to Mesico City and talked with the Alverez Sisters who agreed to sell us the Property. As Tourists we could not legally
buy so had it put in our Mesican Friends names, Never any Problems.' In 1980 Tio and I split the property and I formed a Mexican Corp through the
Miguel Izquierdo in La Paz.The Property was in the Corp.
No Problems.
About that time i was approached by several Mesican Friends that wanted to sell their Property but did not Trust the AZmeicans and Canadian coming
down and trying to buy it.
They ask me if I would buy their Property for a Fai Price and sell it to the people from the North.
I bought and sold over 18 pieces of Property, doing all the Paper work in Loreto then turing over to Miguel in La Paz.
I never, Never had a bit of trouble and niether did anyone who bought any of the propery to this Date.
I would buy property in Mulege now if I was going back to Baja. Just get the information and take it to Miguel, Oh! the cost for Miguel was very
resonable.Buy through and from a Long time Mexicano if possible.
Don.T let some of these Diaperheads that have gotten into various troubles scare you off. Baja Sur is a Great place to live.
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I would buy property in Mulege now if I was going back to Baja. Baja Sur is a Great place to live.
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Cypress: Yes I would buy on the Pacific Side, I just did not like the Fog.
Now to you Lencho with due respect.
When My wife and I started building Ranchosonrisa there was no one around us, there was no LoretoBay Villages etc, It was still a nice small Town.
I married my wife when whe was 24 and I was 48, took her out of Calif to Loreto where she helped me realise my Dream of having a Palapa on the Beach,
fishing everyday if I wanted to. We built it with our own Hands with the help of a couple of Great Mesicano Friends,[It still stands on the Beach
surrounded by several of the Uglist Houses in the World}..
When the Ugle Americanos and Canadians started coming into Loreto things changed-DOPE, NUDITY,LOUD MUSIC,ETC.
My wife had always wanted to be a Horselady so since she had helped me with my Dream we decided to do just that, Now she is a Horselady and we live in
just as beautiful a Place. The High Plains of Texas where you can see for Miles.{Do miss the Fishing, and the Good Mexicano Friends}.
she has been back only one time since 2002, went to Mulege and had some great Fishing. We both agreed if we to move back it would be to Mulege as it
is close to being like Loreto was 20 years ago.
The biggest Mistake some of these Diaperhaeds make in moving to Baja is they want things done the "States Way", They have to understand they are in
Mexico.
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Hey Gnu if that post of yours with the video is causing us to have to physically scroll across the page to read someone's post, will you please fix
it...If it's not yours will the culprit please fix it...
EDIT: Never mind I think it's Wessongroups photo on the previos page!
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you win the award for longest post ever on Baja Nomads
do you think anyone but you will ever read that cut/paste job?
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Lobsterman... don't see how you could be upset... we are in the world of "Global Fido's" it would appear...
The United States does real estate transactions the same as Mexico... "Titles !!.. we don't need no stinking titles"...
So... would appear buying "property" in Baja or in Cleveland OH, is much the same.. take your chances... as it is the same game.. just a big rip...
And one other.. would expect to see another drop in housing pricing of around 30% or more in the States... which will mean what to "values" in Baja..
Sorry was going to stop at page 88.... and we have reached it...
just one last add on... to set the record straight on what was said by one side.. and supported with documentation...
One can not stated that something is invalid, unless they can provide documentation to support such a statement ... well, they can say anything.. but,
the validity becomes suspect with out support...
Like I own this house, here is the Title.....
Also, any statement which alledges that I "hate" any of these individuals is absoululy ridiculus ... I don't know any of these individuals, nor will I
.... most likely... I don't travel to this location, don't intend in buying property in Baja or Mexico.. for the reasons which Lobsterman as
outlined... my tolerance to risk is very, very low... been renting for a year so far.. and that is just fine with me... I have no desire to invest in
property in Mexico.. why, I can rent what ever I want where ever I want...
Property is about the worst "investment" one could possibly make at this time.. given my circumstance...
Hell, I'm thinking about check Vegas out for rentals .... those guys.. have more vacant rooms than the Central African Republic
As stated before.. I'm an old guy with not much to do .... and spend a lot of time in bed, due to being handicapped ... so.. to help you out, as it
appears, that you wish to base your posts on "gist" "evolution" and your take on what was posted .. I went back and copied every post (which is still
up under the name of ramuma53)
Please note that the date and time of posted, is in chronological ordered from the "board" starting with the first post... there are number of
pages.... but, it does show what was said, as compared to what is alleged to have been said. And it will state again, that it was not Mr. Munoz to
first make allegations broaching alleged "involvement" .. in this thread about cooking of turtle meat illegally
I stopped copying at page 70 as that is where I made a request for a report be supplied with supporting documentation .. it is the first post on page
70 if you wish to again see what I had hoped to "see" which would allow one to arrive at a fact based conclusion.
posted on 4-14-2009 at 03:34 PM ramuma53
My friends, it is clear that Olivia and Mark were selling and cooking for sale Turtle, that at this time is a protected specie in extintion danger,
the fact that it is good or bad to eat is not on debate or the fact, it also looks like the fact that they killed the turtles and cooked them is not
argued by Mark, Olivia's husband; the fact is that at this time, it is a Federal ofense to do that and she was caught in the act, a fact that not even
they denie; who blew the wistle is of no importance because if I knew I would have done it myself, but the same Conapesca authorities busted several
places that day, looks like it was an area action, we know that they searched the Hotel Buenaventura too, but found nothing illegal, but in the
Restaurant El Zargazo owned by Olivia and Mark, they found the big pot of stew cooking, full of people waiting for it and the heads of the poor
turtles in the trash can; also she was trying to go out of it, by saying that she is a MAFIA member or a Mafia Member relative; are those people who
some people argue are good guys, then my notion of a good guy is out of place; Is Mexico a lawfull place or not, are we going to protect the
endangered species or not, are we against the Mafia or not.
posted on 4-14-2009 at 04:50 PM ramuma53
As you said, it may have been a tradition, but only a culinary one; also the Aztecas had a tradition to kill people and that doesen't mean you can do
it now; the real thing is that the turtles were put under protection for a reason, people were eating them to extintion and now it is a federal felony
worst than killing a human, at least if you kill a human, you can argue that you were deffending yourself, but that is hard to argue against a Turtle;
also I dare you to kill a Gray wale and then argue it is an Skimo Tradition, lets see if you manage to stay out of jail in any part of America.
On your line of tought, then why forbid cocaine consumption, that won't be going away soon either, or for that matter of fact any illegal drug
consumption or even Discrimination against blacks or Mexicans, after all it was a Kukus Klan tradition or not.
The fact my friend, regardless of if it was a good food, it was a tradition or anything, is that it is Illegal all over the world now, for a very good
reason, they are in extintion danger and as a consequence it is illegal to even look at them in a bad way; traditions change and have to be forgoten
all the time and this is one we all should enforce, if we want our grandchildren to see a live turtle swiming in the sea, or are you palnning on
telling yours that there are no more turtles because we were unable to change a culinary tradition.
posted on 4-14-2009 at 11:50 PM ramuma53
Well we are in Internet I think, a Real Estate war exist between people who actually buy land and hold it for proffit; here we have Olivia Higuera
Aguilar claiming that Munoz papers are false and nobody bothered to ask her por proff; actually she made a formal complain to the Federal Police, who
investigated the matter and who found out that the title was real and legal and that Olivia has no title or right or reason and the case was droped by
the Federal authorities and anyone who want proff, there is no better place than the Public Registry with cadastral number 3-03-157 and Public
regsitry number 340 book 178 in Santa Rosalia, you will find all the legal history incluiding the Federal investigation that finally recognized that
the title was legal; even the Predial tax is paid on that property since 1971 to 2008 on Munoz name with no debt.
Now try to find anything there on Olivia's name, nothing, absolutely nothing, she only has a private contract with Ejido La Purisima afecting a piece
of land on the Kilometer 94 to 95, but San Buenaventura is on Kilometer 93; she simply is on the wrong place and that is why the Ejido La Purisima
droped the lawsuit against Munoz, they are no longer fighting him; now, do you want and American's independent opinion, just ask Mr. Thad Braxton who
live in Buenaventura beach like me at thadbrax@yahoo.com , he is one of the people who Olivia claim Munoz took the house from him, but he is still
there and not fighting Munoz at all but is being sued by Olivia who want to take his house from him through the Agrarian Tribunal at this very minute.
Here we have a person (Olivia) who acuse exactly of what she is doing, who don't have a single paper sustaining her property rights, acusing a person
who have everything legal and who was catched in the act by federal police of selling as food a protected specie.
That is why I claim that there is no balance of eveidence between themat all, all the evidence is in Munoz favor and absolutely no evidence on Olivias
favor and don't get me wrong, I will end up paying rent to one or the other, only I already saw all the legal evidence by myself and thorugh my
attorney, simply Olivia has no legal case, only a newspaper case or an Internet case.
By the way, she is already out on Bail.
posted on 4-15-2009 at 12:05 AM ramuma53
And sorry about that tripledigitken I understand what you wanted to say and clearly know you will not buy illegal turtle now, but we are always
claiming that there is no justice for Americans in Mexico but I think this show that there is justice in Mexico, not strong enought to hold her in
jail for long, but I don't think she will have her restaurant for long after this.
Also if you want any proff, just ask Munoz at director@munoz-industries.com , he has always provided everything asked for, with no questions asked.
posted on 4-15-2009 at 11:31 AM
Well, Baja Gringo, that is the problem, I am citing court cases, and you cite me newspaper articles with personal opinions; if you call personal
opinions evidence equal to court cases, then a problem arises; I am citing Public registry data, no newspaper opinions; I myself checked the legal
data and found the public documents where they are supposed to be, in a public office and there you find Police investigations and the result of
those, you find the Ejido La Purisima droping the claim that Munoz property is illegal and theirs, since he bought the land from the Federal
government and part of the procedure was conducted with the Ejido signature and seal.
On Semarnap, Munoz is not on Federal Zone, his property is the land on the side while Olivia is holding a Federal Zone concesion that allow her only
to have a Restaurant and palapas, her rent of bungalows ai unlawful as is to sell alchoolic veverages there; also and clearly selling turtle is not
allowed and is unlawful.
Clearly to obtain a right opinion we have to compare the same kind of proff to one side or the other.
What I am saying is that Munoz have all kind of legal verifiable and solid proffs while Olivia has only newspaper opinions sent by herself and her
husband.
Also, some of you sy you smell a rat; as if somebody had put the turtle on her, but remember that she was caught cooking it in her restaurant with the
heads in the restaurant kitchen by herself and her cook who was also detained; if somebody put her up to that she must have participated and accepted
to cook it and that is her own action, not something put there by somebody.
She was caught by a Marine commando operative, with a Propesca representative and Semarnao representative who were looking to all the commercial
kitchens and she was one of the two catched in the act; they argue that the turtle was for their own food but they had 2 big turtles for a couple of
people that is incredible; that is why she is in trouble, not because her land problems; lest not loose objectivity.
posted on 4-15-2009 at 04:00 PM
As we know, they checked El Burro, the Hotel Buenaventura and several other kitchens, but in Bahia Concepcion only Olivia Higuera Aguilar in
Restaurant El Zargazo and another Lady named Gorosabe on Requeson beach were caught selling and cooking it for sale, they caught another place near
Constitucion, but they say they checked about 200 places with only those 3 catches.
The Propesca commisioner was in Baja for 3 days only coming from Sonora, so the operative was staged to take him to as many places as they could in
those 3 days, his visit was published and only a fool may have been catched selling sea turtle, but aparently Olivia didn't care or didnt know of the
area operative, but it was obvious, it was easter vacation, it happen all over Mexico, besides, those operatives should be more frequent.
Also, looks like a lot of people are very willing to accept sea turtle as food and don't mind people selling it, some sound like they are even hurt
that she was caught in the act of cooking 2 big sea turtles, with a big pot of stew, 2 blody shells and 2 heads in her posesion.
My friends, that is a federal ofense and a hideous crime and more for sale, lets get our values straight and avoid double standards.
it is not up to us to decide how criminal this act is, it is a criminal act agaisnt nature, no way around.
posted on 4-15-2009 at 09:56 PM
Well Diver, even if I don’t write very often, that doesn’t make me new, I am registered since 2003 and that makes you the newcomer, not me, so I am
not exactly new here, I am a tenant of Mr. Munoz who live in Buenaventura Beach and I am not stomping it down your throats, I just don't like wrong
statements circulating without commenting on them and those are not my facts, those are public facts, legal facts that I know and that I have not just
extracted from an newspaper; of course, I investigated it because it affect me, I live there, but I went to the bottom of it with my attorney and if
you do that, you will find that Mr. Munoz simply is the land owner and that Olivia used to work for him and had only a power of attorney, then she was
fired and got the Federal Zone on her name, while the Hotel that has never been hers, paid for it, and the bills are in the Hotel accounting to prove
that fact; we the Buenaventura tenants have been there since 1994 and Munoz have been the owner since 1971 for what I know and with the Ejido
knowledge and consent, I am not alone living there, Mr. Thad Braxton and Mr. Murphy and Mr. Stan Valentine also live there and all of them pay rent to
Mr. Munoz not to Olivia, just ask to Mr. Stan Valentine how much money was extorted from him by Olivia and her husbands and if he has lost a penny
with Mr. Munoz.
It just revolt my stomach to see how people just believe what Olivia print in the clearly interested party newspaper; just write to that newspaper and
see if they print first page 8 columns 7 times what you said but they print even false statements from Olivia every time; yes there is a rat, but it
is not Munoz and time will give me the reason, just wait for it, we really have time on Baja to wait for anything, or not?.
My question may be, why so much interest to protect a criminal? What I tell is a public true supported by public documents; why sustain the Olivia's
myth as a victim when she is really the attacker and the known criminal; at this time she has 8 criminal prosecutions in Mulege and one Federal now;
from wounding an American with intent to kill to robbery and damages and lying to authorities, just ask the district attorney in Mulege, not me; she
was even sentenced for stealing from an American couple a few years back but anyway she never paid the money back; those are known facts by all the
people who live near us and now you, because you asked suggesting a bad intention; if you ask, you will get hard facts about Olivia all over the
place.
posted on 4-15-2009 at 10:29 PM
El iNVESTI8 of course I am Mexican by birth and my name is Eduardo Villa Arellano, I will never deny it, just worked hard in American and came back,
my main language is Spanish, that fact is not a secret or the point here.
About protecting our houses, you are right because every year our houses get robed in October when we go to America, but armed guards are expensive
and that is why we don't do it, but we really need them, that is true.
About calling Mr. Munoz "Mano Negra", it is a disrespect act, but it is because he always use a black glove, because of an industrial accident; also,
as I told you, he has never taken anything from nobody here in Buenaventura Beach, just ask the hometenants here.
About the newspaper article saying that he took some houses in some other place, we laugh about it here, because he does not even know the place where
those houses are, as they are shown on the newspaper and if you segest he took a house here, these houses are his property, we are just renting them
from him, but anyway he has not taken anyone's house here.
Those are the lies I was talking about, printed in the newspaper without even corroborate them as true facts, clearly Olivias is trying to discredit
him and she has a lot of expensive help and that is something that smell like a rat, but people who know him personally will always give you the real
thing, he is not bad at all and will help anybody who need it, as many people can tell you here and in Mulege, we just don't care about the newspaper.
The other fact is that Olivia commited a crime by her own acts, may be a sting, but she fell for it, it is like as if I ask you to kill somebody and
you do it; you will only do it if you are an assasin, even if it is a sting and stings are used to catch criminals all over the world, just ask Mr.
Delorean.
The fact is that those sea turtles are dead because she cooked them to sell them as food and that is a crime, here in Mexico and in the USA too, she
may had just refused to cook them as anyone of us would have done, I am sure.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 12:29 PM
Ok. first Sharkbaja
Those are lies, Requeson or Buenaventura roads never were closed, and if you know the area, through Requeson road you can access any other beach;
there were other 3 entrances that were closed for security reason; as you must know, last year an American was killed in La Armenta and closing all
those entrances enhanced the area security because to enter the beaches you have to pass in front of a lot of people; so the bottom of it is that the
beaches never were closed and it was a complete lie as every authority there is, found out because motivate by 5, 8 columns first pages on El
Sudcaliforniano went to verify and ask every person arround, but when they arrived, Requeson was full of people and completely open, the same for
Buenaventura; the funny thing is that the day the first news came out, the Estate police was there because they were investigating the roberies in our
area, so the Police commander and agents are withnesses that the beaches were never closed.
That is what I am talking about, you have to be there to know the true facts, the nespaper is printing every lie Olivia send them, without even
checking on it.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 01:08 PM
ELINVEST8 now, you are bringing out exactly the right questions, lets comapare the two caracters and I know the two of them.
Engineer Rafael Munoz Martinez, also attorney at law, was a Senate Candidate for North Baja on the 2000 elections, he owned then the ABC Baja
newspaper and has a lot of journalistic trophies, past president of 2 small land owners associations in Rosarito beach, he was teaching martial arts
ar the Army School when he was 18 years old, advisor for 2 lawmakers, congresswoman Mercedes Erdman and Mercedes Maciel, he founder of the Workers
Party in Rosarito Beach and security advisor for the Mexican Army, I would trust any amount of money to Munoz while feeling safe and more would be
overkill ok, but remember thr Army connection.
Olivia Higuera Aguilar, she used to work for the Electrical Company in Mexicali Baja, whith her ex husband Michael, she started bringing all kind of
stuf from Central Mexico and bought even an airplane, they were bringing even wores to Buenaventura restaurant and one of them run off with her
husband; two of her older brothers were killed in drug wars in Mexicali, she is a realtive of Martin Anaya Gorosave and just check on that one with
your local DEA; she has 8 open criminal prosecutions in Mulege one of them for injuryes to an American with intent to kill and now one Federal for the
turtles; she is selling alchool without a legal Federal permit for Federal Zone, she rent a house when it it prohibited by law to sub lease any part
of Federal Zone and now she was caught cooking and selling sea turtle; also all arround here we see the unloading of boats at 3 AM and the next day a
lot of policemen coming for 10 minute visits to her restaurant and have seen the army trying to catch them running all over the beach several times,
she was sentenced along with her ex husband Mike for taking in a fraudulent way money from Mr. and Mrs. Christ, a couple who gave them money to build
a house and got nothing and she never paid back a cent; she took more than $250,000 USD from my neighbor Mr. Stan Valentine who never got a cent back.
To who would you trust some money?
Also a lot of times, Olivia and Mark refuse service to Mexicans in her restaurant and refuse to grant access to the boats ramp and that is also
against the law.
As you see, you have to know facts first hand to really have an opinion, but don't belive me, ask my neighbors who are Americans like Mr. Thad and
Lora Jones at thadbrax@yahoo.com , or Mr. Stan Valentine or Mr. Murphy at TERRYRMURF@aol.com who are deffending themselves from Agrarian claims from
Olivia, who is trying to get their houses. and gues who is helping us to keep our houses, Mr. Munoz.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 01:46 PM
BajaGringo
Concerning the land, I am sorry to tell you that the land at this minute is not subjected to any trial, because the Ejido La Purisima backed up their
claims against Munoz, because they found out through official channels that Munoz property title was good and legal after a 2 years investigation by
the Federal Police because an Olivia claim, so there is never going to be a Supreme Court ruling because there is no trial, the only trials are Olivia
against the home tenants, JUICIO AGRARIO: TUA-48-047/2006. POBLADO LA PURÍSIMA MUNICIPIO DE COMONDÚ and others against us;
trying to collect $250,000 USD from each one of us, but it has already been proved that her Ejido Land is 1 Km north of Munoz property and does not
everlap.
At this minute nobody is challenging Munoz property rights in any court, all the claims have already been dropped after investigation.
Also, our topic was not about the land, it was about the morality of killing turtles and cooking them for sale; this started because I see that many
of us, take this ban as a shalow thing, like if the bad thing is that she was caught cooking a big stew pot, with 2 bloody shells and two turtle heads
in her trash can, all this in a restaurant full of people waiting for the food.
You acuse me of being biased, but I see a lot of bias from people who do not personally know the real facts or Mr. Munoz or the whole story.
Also you acuse Munoz of drug connections and say it as if you know it for a fact; if you knew him, you will know it is exactly the oposite, he is on
the other side and I know that Olivia use Crack and cocaine because I have been there and I know that with Munoz, he don't even smoke cigaretes and
drugs are out of the question.
My friends, any one of you have access to DEA, just ask for the two of them, you will get a very different opinion about both of them; there Mr. Munoz
is known as Mr. Munoz while Olivias is known as "La Vaquera" and her Mafia realtive as "El Gordo" and just look at the records there.
Of course I am angry, but I am mad about those drug landings on our beach at 3:30 AM, the roberies and violence against all of us, who suposedly came
to Baja to a paradise.
I also know a lot of people who think Olivia is a nice people, but not many Mexicans think like that, or for that matter any person who lives on
Buenaventura beach Mexican or American.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 02:00 PM
tripledigitken
Don't worry, Munoz is not selling, but fore sure if it comes to that, I will any time buy a house from Mr. Munoz without losing my sleep and with time
I asure you, this place is going to be one of the safest and legal places on Baja, we are not just reading newspapers, we are doing something and yes
I am extremely biased against killing turtles and losing my house to Olivia.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 02:02 PM
I forgot, slender is when you tell lies, just try to prove any of my words as a lie, you would find even more and more on the same direction, that is
why I became bias, I wasn't, now I am, because I investigated myself.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 02:04 PM
Also Jesee, others already noticed it, why are you so adamant on defending her? what is your bias or hiden interest?
posted on 4-16-2009 at 02:19 PM
Bajajack
all of us give a cram, we live here and we ant to live in a lawful place, that is why we are in board, reading about Baja
posted on 4-16-2009 at 02:51 PM
Bajagringo
You are right, you did not said anything on Mafia, but we are discussing a topic here and others did it and I asure you the one who said it, got the
point
It looks like many of our board friends make questions, but don't like the answers from people who are there and when it involves personal action,
they preffer to just talk, but we who live here have to act and that is why we know every fact and when you get personally involved, sooner or latter
you make your descision on where to stand and I am there, I know where I am standing and what I want, a clean and safe and drug free Baja with all its
beauty parts in place for now and the future; here we are just talking, but you ask questions that have an answer that cost us a lot of actions and
money to investigate.
Of course sooner or latter Olivia will come in Line, but she will not be able to explain why she killed the turtles or why she kooked them in her
restaurant.
On the property question, I know that many of you don't know and don't really care to investigate yourselves, actions are only for the affected people
like me or my neighbors, but if you are not ready to make a judgement, don't give opinions on matters that you are not ready to corroborate and give a
first hand opinion; here in internet, we have the responsability to say the true facts we know, but also you can be questioned by anybody, even with
fool questions or by people not really concerned who just say worng things, but that is the beauty of Internet, it is free speech, just if you ask, be
ready to analyze the information you get back and this is not for you Bajagringo, is fo all of our board friends.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 03:00 PM
Jesee
you afirm that both are wrong, do you personally know any of them to afirm that any of them are wrong? I do, I know both of them and read the same
newspapers, only I have first hand information, I am here and I can tell you, she in free on bail, Propesca will fine her $750,000 pesos, Profepa
something similar and Semarnap will close her retaurant forever and those are news you will read in the same newspapers in the near future.
You really want to be able to say who is wrong, just go to the Agrarian Tribunal there in La Paz and ask, even the dogs outside know about this, but
get first hand information and then tell us what you found.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 10:30 PM
Bajagringo
To Munoz, I consider him as a friend but he is also my landlord, and you will find that same answer from all the house tenants in Buenaventura beach,
to Munoz Industries, I would like to have a relationship, but no, sorry for me but I don't have any.
posted on 4-16-2009 at 10:49 PM
Skipjakjoe
About the turtles you are completely wrong since we have always tried to protect the sea turtles, some times when the fishermen bring the turtles for
sale as meat, only some times they have them all tied up but alive and on those ocasions I have paid for them as meat and then released them in to the
sea, they sell them for as little over a hundred dollars a big one and when I have them I do it; the crime is to harm them, not to pay to release
them; all my neighbors really care about the Bahia Concepcion enviroment, it is our yard, I snorkel a lot, the same as them and the rays and the
turtles are a joy to watch free, but the ray killings ar very high too.
On Olivia, she deserve this and more; I wont do anything to create her a harm but she do it herself prety good anyway.
If Olivia were a good neighbor, she may stay there forever as it concern to me, but she is not, she is the debil in paradise; I know she used to be
better but her actions dictate our feelings; we used to go to her restaurant with Feliciano and have a good time, but now it is imposible, she is
always high on something; she used to be beautyful, but just look at her now.
Anyway, now she is a known liar and an adict who cant control herself and that is why she have not been able to reach an agreement with Munoz; I know
that he at one time he offered her $50,000 USD to avoid conflicts but, she went and started the fight; just a few days ago, in front of me, Munoz
asked her to propose something within reason and the next day she started with the lies in the newspaper about closing the beaches.
What would you do with a neighbor like that? love her? No, I don't even apreciate her now and as soon as she go out of Buenaventura, the better for
everybody, she is just prolonging her agony.
posted on 4-17-2009 at 07:31 AM
buenaventura
To all concerned; yes, I have been involved in many different and some very bad situations, affecting my business for more de 19 years, my reputation,
my image and my life of all the ones I love including our families and friends. I am not going to tell you all of the details of this lately federal
offense that indeed happened in my restaurant on Saturday April 11th, Easter weekend, because is and going to be under investigation. I am working in
my restaurant and my business is open that’s a big plus, yes it is a huge felony and you don’t stay out to tell the story, you go straight to a
federal prison and might be 1 to 9 years in jail, but who ever is trying to nail me down didn’t do it right. I was not selling “soup”, I DID NOT KNOW
because the food was bring to my restaurant cooked and ready to be serve, I was not making money with it, it was for a group of Mexican families from
Ensenada and they were going to pay for the drinks and service as well for the use of the facilities of the beach and restaurant. The officials from
Pesca and Sagarpa including the marines were there for hours and DID NOT find any illegal and/or out of season species in my freezers or
refrigerators, what they found in a pick-up truck outside the restaurant in the garbage containers was these plastic bag with parts of a turtle, 2
heads, 4 fins and the chest or bottom part of it, NO BLOOD OR GUTS. Also parts were in a plastic bag type that I do not have here. No other parts were
found.
Someone called after dropping off a blue covered pot at my restaurant and said “there is a pot blue with turtle at Buenaventura. Parts of turtle in
trash, and drugs under the computer.
Rafael Munoz “el mano negra” mentions that I have several reports in Mulege for different “crimes” but HE does’nt say that he is the one that made all
these accusations against me and fail in all of them.
If anyone has questions about me and wants to know more about these nightmare feel free to come to my restaurant, because I am not going to play this
BS that Munoz plays.
Muchas gracias, Olivia Higuera.
posted on 4-17-2009 at 08:10 AM
I am very proud of my wife Olivia who is 51 years. I think she has done very well against Munoz. We have been dealing with this individual for nearly
seven years. Now with reading his posts some of you know what we have enured for all these years.
I have some handsome pictures of Rafael Munoz that i would like to share. How do i attach to a post?
posted on 4-17-2009 at 06:28 PM
Well the poachers appeared
Mark is saying now that I am a bodyguard, hope I look like one at least; well it is hard to be a bodyguard for Munoz when I am here in Buenventura
while he has been in New York for 3 weeks now, don't you think? Mark I saw you a couple of times today, you even told me you will do something against
my life and Munoz life yesterday, don't you remember? and you claim that you know Munoz is not here, something that is true, rare on yourself but true
this time; you don't make any sense but we are begining to uncover you and really understand you.
Last time you were saying that Olivia was cooking the stew for your own consumption in Loreto and now you are saying that it was already prepared and
was going to be served for some Ensenada families.
I would like to know any person here in this board who knowing that it is illegal sea turtle will serv it in his house.
Well, I can now call you a poacher and a liar freely and you know I will do it to your face, it is not the first time.
Concerning your brush with the Mexican army, why don't you tell them that that day 2 boats were being unloaded ar 3:30 Am on your ramp and when you
saw that some people were looking at you, everybody ran; of course the the military arrived late because miraculously the hotel telephone was burned
that same morning and the hotel pick up tires were punctured; I know, random events of course.
You start not looking like victims anymore.
posted on 4-17-2009 at 06:36 PM
O and Caboron
we have heard those screams coming from Olivia's restaurant several times and also a nice pigy was killed there very cold fashion by Mark, with a
knife; I was unable to even touch jam for a month after that; also remember that you killed one our little dogs, only 3 months old with a shovel Mark;
just don't try to hide it, it is showing this time all over the place.
posted on 4-17-2009 at 06:42 PM
Just to check on the Sudcaliforniano news, we went today to Santa Rosalia to fix our phone and just for fun went to Santa Ines the place where the
newspaper claim Munoz took some houses, for your information, there, they don't even know who Munoz is; then how is it possible that El
Sudcaliforniano keep printing your screams every time, even if they are not true and this one anyone can check, just look for somebody from that area,
even you Mark.
posted on 4-17-2009 at 06:44 PM
Oliguacamole or bether said Olivia Higuera Aguilar, I am intense because it is illegal to kill sea turtles and the turtles losses can not be cut like
you cut their necks; what do you feel when they scream Olivia?
osted on 4-17-2009 at 07:00 PM
BajaGringo please read and see that even Olivia and Mark know me, they said that I am Munoz bodyguard but I am not fore sure I don't have the body or
the training; she is calling me her neighbor don't you see and yes we are neighbors and we know each other very well and I know them too well for
their own good by now.
you try to make an issue because we use Munoz computer to write, sorry but everything here is his property, even the computers and satellite
connection and email accounts; please don't try to confuse the fact that we are talking about protecting the eviroment here, that is the topic, don't
loose it.
posted on 4-17-2009 at 07:09 PM
Well, I se Olivia just went offline without answering, she noticed that she inclriminated herself, well, remember when I told you that she does the
worst harm to herself; I rest my case, good night.
posted on 4-17-2009 at 07:15 PM
O and Olivia, now that you mention the end of lower Agrarian court trials, dont forget to tell them that those cases are against us your neighbors,
that you are trying to take our homes from us and collect $250,000 USD from each one of us, you lost against Munoz, but you are still going against
us; just go to court and see that our appeal is in, so don't be so happy so soon.
posted on 4-17-2009 at 11:50 PM
Ok, Bajagringo, you keep on believing that I am Munoz, even if it has no consequence for this discussion, but for your information, the Munoz
Industries email is the email used here at the hotel for reservations by internet and is very public; the hotel and everything incluiding the
computers are Munoz Property, and I mean the houses where we live too; if you want to communicate with Munoz, you have to use the same email and that
is director@munoz-industries.com and that will come to the hotel also, he has private emails, but just email him direct and he will answer, he reads
everything and he has always been a gentlemen; also his english is a lot better than mine, but lets keep to our topic.
Today the Hotel Buenaventura got an email from Green Peace and they are going to press the federal authorities to make an example of these poachers
and also from other pro nature organizations that have read about this HERE and came through the hotel webpage and yes through the same Munoz emails
that we can see here.
Looks like the poachers are not going to have it as easy as they tought; closing of the restaurant is asured and voiding of the Federal Zone concesion
a must.
I also found out that killing a turtle has a heavier penalty than killing a human; if you kill a human and show at least some self preservation you
will stay only 2 to 4 years in jail while a killing a turtle carry a 12 years jail sentence, more fore who cook it, sell it and or transport it.
I also called Munoz about this conversation I have been having and he will enter the board in the next few days; looks like I am a lot more expresive
than he is.
posted on 4-18-2009 at 12:54 PM
My friends, for that matter, at one time I was corossing the border Tijuana San Diego with new boots bought in Tijuana, those were turtle leather; at
the San Ysidro border entrance, Customs confiscated my boots and didn't charged me, but I was afraid to looose my greencard then; happyly I was able
to demostrate that I had just bought the boots in a legal shoe store and I know that that store was closed a few weeks later, so it is no easy thing
to posses, transport, sale or even use sea turtle products.
Actually the law forbids the harrasing, catching, harming, sale and transportation of sea turtles or its products or derivates; if you have an old
shell, it is not a crime as long as you don't transport it, sale it or cross the border with it.
On the other side, Olivia was catched with two fresh LOODY shells from 2 sea turtles, being cooked on her restaurant stove in a big pot, with the two
real fresh heads in the kitchen INSIDE trash container; also she accept that she was warming it as a favor to some Ensenada families who were inside
her restaurant for free while every person who know Olivia must know that she would never do that for free, that is an imposibility, she always charge
for everything, no exception and even her friends know that.
My friends, also note that the hotel has no telephone at this moment, since last boat unlodading on Olivia's Restaurant and the Propesca raid was
after that, so the tip could not have come from the Buenaventura hotel and we know that the only other telephone 15 miles orround is in Olivia's
restaurant, so the tip must have come from her restaurant, maybe one customer or employee or husband of her did it and since she charge for telephone
use, she must know who did the on time calls.
Also, Mark was not there very conveniently and since he is the restaurant co owner, or at least he say that, it is extrange, don't you think.
But anyway, they are known poachers now, they even accept that they had the Sea Turtle in their restaurant for their customers service free or not,
they say free, but that is hard to believe even for her adamant protectors here.
The real question is, Do we condone the actual serving of Sea Turtle in a restaurant today???????
It is not a matter that in the past we like it or not, because I used to like it; not as a tradition, because it was not; they just were selling it
all over Tijuana; it was not like turky tradition, we just were able to get it anyplace; of course in Baja, if you went to an able home, they will
offer the best and that was Sea Turtle, now they offer shrimp the same way, or fish; Sea Turtle was not a tradition, it was the best at that time; now
only the ones who are able to brake the law with impunity do it, being a corrupt governor or politician, but it is like inviting you to be their
associate in crime.
We are not loosing tradition when we are not able to serve Sea Turtle in our homes, we can still make that dish, they call it Cahuamanta; it taste the
same, the flavor is the same except it is made of fish, ray meat and beef' so the tradition can continue without the Sea Turtles participation.
When all over the world the lawmakers in our representation, baned the Sea Turtles from our tables and menus, it was for a reason; the sea turtles
were being hunted to extintion; one way or the other, the Sea Turtles were gone from the tables, also they have become extremely expensive.
So we have not lost a tradition, we have not lost the excuisite dish and we are very willing to see the turtles sweeming in the sea, very alive.
We just need to take a step in to an active position and really protect the remaining sea turtles with our condoning or repudiating the ones that
break that law, being a governor, a politician, a policeman, a restaurant owner or a friend who serve it at home when he invite you. that is the
question for us here ???????????
posted on 4-18-2009 at 01:36 PM
Baja gringo
Still unable to solve that one; if you check in the internet Munoz curriculum vitae, you will notice that he is a Civil Engineer, an attorney at law,
speaks spanish, english and some italian; also he studied Physics, Electromechanical engineering, a lot of computng systems and know several
programing languages; does that sound like a guy who can do that and more ? and of course would not make as many mistakes as the humble of me.
Anyway, just listen to Olivia and Mark, the interested parties, they KNOW ME, they think I am his bodyguard, but are unable to explain how come the
bodyguard is enjoying the Baja beaches while the principal in in New York; doesent sound like the bodyguards I see in the movies at least.
posted on 4-18-2009 at 04:06 PM
Baja Gringo
I would prefer to remain out of this discussion for now, because there is an ongoing Federal investigation about the facts being discussed here. But
as an attention to my friend Eddy, I will make a small contribution of the facts known to be true, I know Eddy was there himself and he is not a liar
as far as I know, so I also think the same way he does, so just take his worlds as mine too, Olivia and Mark know I am not afraid of telling it to
their faces also, I have done it many times.
Baja gringo, What you know, is where an Internet protocol (IP) is assigned, and it is assigned where it enter the Physical Internet network, when it
is dynamic and uploaded to a satellite connection, It goes up the satellite stream in pockets and then down at the Internet Service Provider (ISP)
where it is assigned the Dynamic IP, where it enters the physical network; and since my Satellite Service Provider for Buenaventura Hotel is in
Tijuana, it is not bizarre you find that. Also, you will find that, if you locate the dynamic IP for my personal computer which is where I am sending
this comment from, it will always be in Tijuana. I have a contract for wireless broadband connection with Telcel in Tijuana and that means, that from
any place in continental America, it goes through the 3G Cellular networks, all the way to Tijuana and then it enters there to the physical Internet
network. So, I may be in any place in the world and as long as I use that connection, the dynamic IP is going to be a Tijuana assigned; so much for
you as a spy. But this is just a technical distraction since the main issue is solved, I uphold Eddie’s words as mine and he has my permission to use
my Hotel Buenaventura address and connections. Just take it as if I had said it; Is that enough for you?
Please, Eddie has a big mouth but, he seems to feel like he needs to set the record straight, I don’t. Your comments here do not affect me, in any
way, I only do it because it is not fair that you keep putting in doubt Eddie’s ideas, just because you don’t believe he is who he is. He is and has
my complete support if that is what you wanted to know, he is also not my bodyguard, he is shorter than me, I am the martial arts expert, not him, it
would work better the other way around.
Why do we know so much about Olivia’s investigation? Because I have several of my attorneys looking for ways that the law is not violated here. She
has done it locally for years, Federal is another sphere and she was caught by several law enforcement organizations with interlocking actions and
interest. Also, we have a presidential directive to fight organized crime and nature organizations are starting to act against her.
Why she was caught? She was caught, because she is under a Federal police microscope, for her boat unloading at 3:00 AM since years ago and this is
not a secret anyplace anymore. They were unable to catch her last time, but for sure the whole deal was observed by law officials and at that time, it
was no longer my say or my friends say anymore, everything else is a consequence.
Why is she so upset about me, because I put a whole system of cameras, even robotic cameras with 250 x zoom and starlight with the stream uploaded to
internet instantly and that system has been recording all her movements for months, including all the law officials’ visits after the landings? This
data is not in my possession anymore, so don’t get any ideas.
Mark, you try to appear like a hurt husband by unfair attacks on your poor wife. Those accusations have been there for years, and as I remember, you
ran from me every time I catch you in my property, not in a rhetoric way, you really run fast. Also, tell us why you are with a lady 20 years older
than you, that is by far no longer a beauty even if she was when she was younger and not so much in to drugs, I recognize. Also, many people saw you
very happy when she was arrested saying that you were now the owner.
Olivia may be many things, including now a poacher, but she has always been a lady, why are you so afraid that she may make a deal with me? Remember
last time when you practically dragged her from my presence, when she told me she wanted a deal? Mark, act like a gentlemen and let the lady off, you
are never going to be a millionaire as you dreamed; the lady deserves a fair chance in life, you are making her make life changing mistakes.
*****posted on 4-21-2009 at 03:19 PM
This is Rafael Muñoz Martinez, since a lot of what is said here is always put in doubt, I want to share some verifiable information from reputable
sources, sorry it is in Spanish, but I don’t want somebody to say I miss translated:
--------------------------------------
De: Everardo Mariano Melendez <emariano@conanp.gob.mx>
Fecha: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:19:42 -0500
Para: Aarón Esliman <aaron@grupotortuguero.org>, Everardo Mariano Melendez <ever1234@hotmail.com>, Ernesto Israel Popoca Arellano
<epopoca@conanp.gob.mx>
Asunto: RE: Restaurante sorprendido vendiendo Caguama en Bahia Concepcion, Mulege B.C.S.
Hola Aarón,
Efectivamente fueron detenidas dos personas del sexo femenino, con pruebas evidentes de dos tortugas que preparaban para guiso de caguama, fueron
remitidas ante el ministerio público federal por delitos ambientales, la PGR atrajo el caso y hasta lo último que supe fueron procesadas. Se les
encontró en el acto y con las evidencias periciales.
En Loreto nos pidieron ayuda para buscar depositarios del producto y le fue turnado el caso a PROFEPA. Me parece que este tipo de revisiones a
restaurantes debiese ser con mayor frecuencia y poner una alerta que tanto es culpable quien la captura como quien la consume.
Estamos en contacto!
Saludos.
Ever
Everardo Mariano Meléndez
Encargado del Despacho
Parque Nacional Bahía de Loreto
Tel: (613) 11350477
Paseo Pedro de Ugarte S/N
Col. Misioneros.
Loreto, B.C.S.
-----Mensaje original-----
De: Aarón Esliman [mailto:aaron@grupotortuguero.org]
Enviado el: mié 15/04/2009 17:40
Para: Everardo Mariano Melendez; Everardo Mariano Melendez; Ernesto Israel Popoca Arellano
Asunto: FW: Restaurante sorprendido vendiendo Caguama en Bahia Concepcion, Mulege B.C.S.
Hola Ever, me acaba de llegar esto, sabes algo de este asunto, creo que
sería bueno investigar por allá que apso con esto, se ve bastante feo y me
encantaría poder contestar algo a este cuate. Se los encargo mucho.
Saludos
Aarón
----------------------------
So I am not making it up, and Olivia was caught in fraganti cooking the Sea Turtle stew pot in her restaurant for sale to a lot of people, detained,
put in jail and she is free on bail, pending the administrative and criminal sanctions. Also, it makes clear that Mexican reputable Nature
Organizations are promoting the checking and pressing for the convictions, not me.
Some of you are right, Olivia or Oliguacamole just lost the little credibility she had here, because she invented something without knowing the Middle
Eastern costumes; the true is that I almost always use a glove, because of an industrial accident that happened in one of my business; I am a Civil
engineer, but also studied Law and I am an attorney at law, but as I say, I studied law to protect myself from my own attorneys, so it happened to me
when saving an employee of mine; I have my hand, so it is also false that I don’t have it or chopped off; it was burned and I can’t control the
temperature, so it does not get cold I almost always use the glove but I have the use of it, it is even evident on the photo Olivia shared with you
and the Sudcaliforniano and it is becoming clear who try to deceive you.
On the fact that Eddie said that I own my 1000 Has. Lot since 1971 when I was 18 years old, it is only partially true, because I claimed the property
at that time, but my private property title was issued in 1988 and a complement on 1992; I bought it from the Federal Government and the validity of
it was checked by the Federal Police and a Federal Judge thanks to Olivia and Mark, who denounced me formally of having a falsified title and at this
moment the Federal Police and the Federal Judge declared my title lawful; Olivia Know of it because that is the cause why the Ejido La Purisima,
dropped their claims against my title and me; also because in my file, they in 1985 ageed to my limits and signed and put their seal in agreement on
an official document, so I have no quarrel with the Ejido and if Olivia is part of the Ejido she should have done the same, but she is trying to
collect from my American tenants, but that is a legal battle that do not affect me and should not be part of this.
On Federal Zone, there you are in my knowledge sphere, It is very important for you who live near the sea to know what is Federal Zone and what is
not: Federal zone according to the law, is a 20 mts. strip of land measured WHEN THE COAST HAS A BEACH AND THE SOLID GROUND BESIDE THE BEACH IS LESS
THAN 30 DEGREES; ONLY THERE THE FEDERAL ZONE WILL BE MEASURED; this is very important because if there is no beach there is no Federal Zone and you
should not pay for it and this is the law since 1992 by decree; I know that this is not exactly the information the Federal Zone officials want you to
know, because what you pay for it, is in some cases 30% of the city income as is in Rosarito Beach; there, I as an expert witness won the cases for
Castillos del Mar and others, so it is a tested in court true; they want everybody to believe that the Federal Zone is 20 mts. From the sea, but it is
not, since on cleefs there is no Federal Zone, or where the solid ground is more than 30 degrees there is also not a Federal Zone. (If you need
details, just write me and I will give you exact details on the law.)
Another very important fact on Federal Zone is that even if you have the Federal Zone concession, you cannot charge for people using it or crossing
it, you can only use the consession only for the use authrized; also it is unlawful to sub lease any part of a concession; Federal Zone if public
property and no way around it; also you cannot sell alcohol on it or rent houses on it since it would be sub leasing; nobody can charge you for going
to the beach, they can rent you an umbrella, but they cannot prevent you from using it. Then you the Wagon Masters here will say “O but you charge” it
is true, I charge you for overnight parking your buses on my property, because I have a parking permit but if you go on foot and leave your bus on the
highway, nor me, or anybody can prevent you from using the beach, any land owner by law have to allow people to walk to the beach, not by car, walk;
you can see that the hotels always leave a narrow passage to the beach, enough to walk but not for vehicles, but in my case I allow free parking on my
property during the day and only when you stay overnight I charge them and that because they use the bathroom and the water cost me, since I bring it
by truck from Mulege 30 miles north.
Olivia does not have a parking permit because it is forbidden to park or use vehicles on the Federal Zone, you can only park or drive vehicles on the
property, out of federal zone and she has not been noticing that I allow her customers to park on my property without paying, but I can legally close
her access to the restaurant at any time I want. She even has to ask for my permission to cross my property and I have a letter signed by her, asking
for that permission and if she denies it I can show it, it was signed by her in front of a Navy Captain who also signed as witness.
I know that most of what Olivia do is because she don’t know the law and its details and that is why I say that if I disagree with her, she has always
been a lady, not a true telling lady but a lady.
Also so you can understand me, the Property tax on my property is $850,000 USD a year and that is way over the $5000 USD they pay and those prices
were put there by the lawmakers and that is done to force people to develop the valuable properties, but we will never do it with places like Olivia
there that cannot be moved or have a real money obligation according to what they prevent.
On the fact that she got the Federal Concession, I can comment and prove that she paid for that concession with the hotel funds and the payments are
in the Hotel accounting books and if she is not the Hotel owner, she took personal advantage of being at one time the Hotel manager, with a power of
attorney only (hope she does not denies it because I have a public notary document where she accept that, “she does not own any part of the hotel”).
Also just consider, I have a $750,000 USD investment in the hotel, pay taxes on the hotel and the property, while she rent a Federal Zone house
without paying any taxes, because it is unlawful to do it, she sells liquor without paying for a federal permit or tax and she uses my property as her
parking, because in Federal zone, she has no area, because she use it with buildings, that cannot be there, because in Federal zone you cannot put
permanent buildings.
posted on 4-22-2009 at 02:09 PM
Good question. From Oliguacamoles's Own words, or Olivia's or Mark own words here, they accepted and said here that they were going to serve the stew
to a group of Ensenada families, now the turtle was planted, make up your mind, because you lies are showing up here Olivia.
Ok you made a big mistake, just accept it; you know it will cost you a lot of money, but I don't think more than that, depending on how good they got
you and how hard the Nature organizations press to make an example of you, but you know that usually that do not happen, so just tell the true story.
by the way the black hotel's truck is in Loreto at the mechanic, do you want to check, also all my employees are in the hotel if you want to check
also.
I also agree that the people who was waiting to eat the turtles should have been prosecuted and Olivia must know who they are since she was making
them a really big favor by warming the turtle stew; you will do that free only for people who are very familiar with you so just ask them to come
forward and take the heat from you; if you don't know them, it means that it was for sale
Olivia, you are hanging yourself with your own words
Also Mark, you threatened my employees yesterday in Mulege at the tire store with killing them like it will happen to me; how is it that you are very
brave only with women, why don you threaten me in my face next time you see me instead of runing like like you always do ???????? many people say you
are a nice guy, but nice guys do not threaten to kill people, or they do??? let see you next time and you know you will see me.
posted on 4-22-2009 at 09:58 PM
Mark, this is not the first time you do it, only most of the times you do it in a situation where there is your word against some one else and you
never were brave enough to try it with me, but several times you have done it to women working in the hotel, only this time you did it in town, in
front of another people and in front of the tire store employees who were able to confirm that you went to them while changing a tire; I mention it
this time because you did it in public in in front of withness in a demostrabe way.
I know, dog that barg don't bite but what boders me is that this NICE GUY who sells sea turtle, do it only to women while always run when confronted
with men; you by experience know that you can not fight with me, you went down at the first blow last time you tried to atack us, Juan also put you
down when you atacked the mail man but that is no excuse to now do it exclusively with woman.
I own the place with property titles, I have a Hotel, you have only a concession on a 20 mts strip that belong to public property; you violate the law
in several ways, who do you think will go?
I have never even bothered your employees, but you know you do it all the time up to the point of going in to my hotel to tell people that you rent a
house cheaper, or you will denie it too Mark?
posted on 4-22-2009 at 10:01 PM
Sorry, but I have no court date, it is only Olivia Against 4 Americans from who she is trying to take their house; since the Ejdio droped their claims
against me, I am not a part of the claims; she was claiming that my titles were false and those have already proved true, so I have no court
apointment, I won already; sorry I ca not say the same for the 4 Americans.
yes it may be boring, but this board is 11 pages long with a lot of people saying something
posted on 4-25-2009 at 09:50 AM
ELINVEST8
1.- Olivia and Mark quit bringing and selling drugs to Buenaventura beach
2.- She and Mark quit acting like gangsters
3.- Let the District Atorney solve all the claims for good or bad, do not brive them.
4.- Quit bothering the Americans about their houses in Agrarian Court.
5.- Just stay in Federal Zone, do not invade my property
6.- One extra sorry DO NOT HARM AMIMALS.
Are those so difficult???? I think they are.
posted on 4-26-2009 at 11:30 PM
ELINVEST8
1.- We have seen the boats unloadings at 3 AM and I mean law enforcement officers and me but soon she will se about that.
2.- Friday, Mark did not let Mr. Thad Braxton put his boat in the water because he was going to give two mexicans a ride, he threatend my life and his
with 2 more witnesses and the formal complain will be presented to the district attorney tomorrow, Wednesday he threatened 2 of my employees in Mulege
in front of other people; is that acting as a gangster enough.
3.- Because we have 8 formal complains against Olivia and Mark for robery, robery with violence, lying to judicial authorities, damages and she has
one from Jimmy Rusell for wounds with intent to kill and the complains have been lost several times, never acte upon or sent to the judge with obvious
flaws to be rejected; the Estate District attorney is under invesigation at this time for those flaws that are allowing Olivia and Mark to be free.
4.- The houses are in my property and at this time my prpperty is beyond doubt thanks to her, not in Federal Zone.
5.- She on a daily basis, croses over my property with her verhicles, use my property and do not attend warnings no to use my property; if you try to
stop her, she will attack you with violence, that is why she have so many formal complains; she try to build a house over my property and there is a
formal complain for that too, we stoped them.
6.- Yes, Mark killed a pig on a very sadistic way with a knife, the pig was like a pet for everybody, he killed one of our dogs ith a shovel in front
of several people and there are morebut not to my personal experience.
1.- Her claim for rent on American people living IN MY PROPERTY, when the Ejido dropped its claims because it was proved that my property is NOT EJIDO
LAND and Olivia's contract is one mile north of my property.
4.0 you can see El Sudcaliforniano, she has published 8 columns first page 7 times lies against me that were proved false by the authorities.
6.- The property title was proved true by the Federal Police and the federal judge, if it had not hapened that way, I would be in jail at this time,
there is no open investigation against me for that, all the charges proved false; she has acused me of taking the property from her but her charges
have been dropped because I have proved to be the legal owner while she only has a private contract with the ejido for a piece of land 1 mile north of
mine.
posted on 4-27-2009 at 10:54 PM
You are certainly right, those acts are being denounced to the proper authorities, but there the problem arises, she buy them.
Today she invaded my property again, she is trying to build with heavy equipment over Federal one even if that is forbiden by law, I will send you
soon photos of these acts.
My friends, the poor turtles are being forgoten by the authorities but not for long since I know paper is flying from one office to the other, soon
those will reach Olivia and maybe the turtles will be vindicated and their sacrifice will serve to save some others.
Well from now on I will just report new acts of vandalism by Olivia with proff.
Why I do it? why do you think?, if she can commit any crime and not be prosecuted, the only defense is making it public, don't you agree?
it is simple.
posted on 4-28-2009 at 06:22 PM
Sorry Pescador, but to talk you have to know.
A concession is the right to DO the activity being allowed by it, but it does not mean you own the place; if you build a ramp in Federal Zone, you are
building on Public property and the instant you build it, it belongs to Public Property and nobody can charge for the use of public property or deny
the use of public property. Also there can be several different concessions for different people on the same area, for different uses. The ignorance
of the law is what makes Olivia make so many mistakes, but it is as easy as to just read the concession papers.
Today those guys not allowed to use the ramp, talked to the Federal Zone and Mulege City officials, they asked them to make a formal complaint against
the American, who did, that because it is a Federal Offense, a city violation and a Federal Zone violation; the City major will watch that the
District attorney do fallow the law in this case because there have been too many incidents on that restaurant El Zargazo where the law was not
applied.
The Federal Zone officials also said that Olivia came to them to try to force me to tear down my perimeter fence, but they denied to act because I
have proved my property rights beyond any doubt and confirmed that it is unlawful to deny the use of the ramp to any person, since Olivia and Mark
only have the right to use it, also said that the ramp is not on Federal Zone, it is in Marine Zone that is National Property, Federal Zone is the
strip that start where the high tide water ends and the beach start, where the water at high tide start, is Marine Zone not Federal Zone and
absolutely nobody can prohibit the access to a Marine Zone.
Also Mark (American) and Olivia (Mexican) are lying about not charging or pretending not to charge for people having lunch at the beach, they
continually try but are not allowed by us, at least in front of my hotel, we have stopped them hundreds of times, specially Mark and think how a
Mexican National feel when an American come and talk to him in English and try to charge him for the use of the beach or out with the police, he had a
lot of problems with people, but he is good at intimidating people, specially women, those are his specialty.
posted on 4-28-2009 at 06:46 PM
Mark, why dont you take me to court to make me tear down my fence? or why don't you complain in criminal court for me putting it up?
O but you did try it, but were turned away because you have no right to any land and I have demostrated that I own the place; wel keep trying.
I put the perimeter fence around my property because it is my right to do so and you weren't able to do anything against it, because you are not the
owners of anything.
At this time you only have the right to use the Federal Zone to sell food but ONLY in movable structures, in other words in a movable cart, not in
permanent buildings, that is against the law because you deny the right to use it to other persons, just read your concession.
I know you were bribing the Federal Zone guys, but new and honest are coming from Mexico City to see if you are using the Federal Zone in the way you
are allowed to, and do you know why they are comming, because your newspaper articles
posted on 4-28-2009 at 06:54 PM
For those that remember the Turtles, Mexico City District Attorney asked today for the L
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Me, too. Can someone do an executive summary so that we're all well informed about this important issue?
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There IS an executive summary -- about half way through the thread. I think Wessongroup wrote it. But it's up to YOU to find it.
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Hey, Wessongroup. While you're at it, maybe you can find your previous summary and cut and paste it here, at the end of the thread? (At least, I
HOPE it's the end of the thread!!!)
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Racing Green Jag XK-8 convertible
Good luck with an end.. I was hoping too for an update, if any on events... from "court".. not a narrative on he said, she said again
A short version:
"Two arrested at a Bahia Concepcion restaurant for possessing prohibited turtle meat and parts. Agents seized ample evidence of the crime; they have
the head, shell, and a big bag of stew."
That's it... the rest just started growing with charge and counter charges on this board.. as to motivation, character et al associated with the
individual and/or individuals arrested and the "owner" of said property.....
Oh, by the way, one thing that is safe down here ... British Racing Green Jag XK-8 convertible ..... no one would steal it.. as it would be the only
one around... even changing the color would not hide it !!!! and parting it out... would not make any sense..
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