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bajaguy
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Idea ^^^
Hire people that know and live in the area to do a search.
Cowboys can cover a lot of ground on a horse and offer several advantages over a foot search.
Get a good map of the area, plot search zones from the location where the 4Runner was found and coordinate the daily activity of the searchers.
At 300 pesos per day you could hire 5 cowboys for a week at a cost of about $575 USD a week.......
Thanks for the article
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
At 300 pesos per day you could hire 5 cowboys for a week at a cost of about $575 USD a week.......
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Those were 2008 prices, according to the date on the article.
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You are right Dennis, with the decline of tourism in Baja in general, the cost might be 200 pesos a day. | Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
At 300 pesos per day you could hire 5 cowboys for a week at a cost of about $575 USD a week.......
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Those were 2008 prices, according to the date on the article. |
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What I am saying is that they might be willing to work for less due to the declining economy which can be indirectly be related to tourism; also
people in the area that are visiting might hire guides and horses for exploring so yes it can be directly related to tourism. | Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Cowboys don't rely on tourists for their income, but the price of beef may be of concern. |
[Edited on 4-30-2014 by EnsenadaDr]
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My first reaction was the same ie great idea. However, there are still many unanswered questions. (I am still not convinced that Gary drove the car to
that location.) If in fact the worst has happened I think it makes sense to have an experienced investigator ie LL to first look at the area where the
car was found (along with the rake and shovel to verify they are gary's etc) before we get the area trampled by a bunch of horses. After LL is done
with his investigation and the family has done whatever they want to do I think the cowboy idea is a great one. Good going Ensenada Dr!
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a fat bonus wouldn't hurt either.
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Ron Hoff who lives in San Quintin described on his forum the area and his experience in that area which seems to be considerable and how many small
roads and dead ends there are, and how he would have gotten lost if it wasn't for his GPS. I first thought that a search party on foot might be a
good idea but considering the terrain and the propensity of the people in that area getting lost even those that are familiar with the area, it might
be foolhardy and dangerous even with 4 wheel drive vehicles.
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That was an interesting article, thanks doc.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
What I am saying is that they might be willing to work for less due to the declining economy which can be indirectly be related to tourism; also
people in the area that are visiting might hire guides and horses for exploring so yes it can be directly related to tourism. | Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Cowboys don't rely on tourists for their income, but the price of beef may be of concern. |
[Edited on 4-30-2014 by EnsenadaDr] |
You seriously need to take a drive... You live in Ensenada, so it is just down the highway 200 miles. If you saw the area, lack of business, services,
people... except for a few along the highway... you could better relate to or understand what you are suggesting.
It is a desert, and ranchos are few and far between.
I still have not had anyone show me the location of the rancho near where Gary's 4Runner was found... as reported?
The 4Runner is where a FOOT/ HORSEBACK/ATV search should begin. IF he walked out on any road, then he would have been found. He only had to walk back
the way he drove in to be on a well used (for the area) dirt road about 2 miles.
Instead, he went cross-country where nobody could find him without also going cross country.
Naturally, this presumes he got the 4Runner stuck and not if it was taken from him, somewhere else.
The 4Runner is all we have to go from. Let's confirm where the 4Runner was found and then search out from there. I hope there can be closure soon for
this family.
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The contest on who can post the most has got to stop. Let the family do their thing and report back. They will ask if they need help. Otherwise it
is fools game you are playing.
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I have driven from Nogales to Magdalena to San Luis Rio Colorado all through the Sonoran Desert. I spent plenty of time driving La Rumorosa to
Centinela to Salada to Mexicali to San Felipe to San Carlos. My husband was from Mexicali and we drove out of cities into the desert all the time. I
think the horseback riders should start from where the truck was found. | Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
What I am saying is that they might be willing to work for less due to the declining economy which can be indirectly be related to tourism; also
people in the area that are visiting might hire guides and horses for exploring so yes it can be directly related to tourism. | Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Cowboys don't rely on tourists for their income, but the price of beef may be of concern. |
[Edited on 4-30-2014 by EnsenadaDr] |
You seriously need to take a drive... You live in Ensenada, so it is just down the highway 200 miles. If you saw the area, lack of business, services,
people... except for a few along the highway... you could better relate to or understand what you are suggesting.
It is a desert, and ranchos are few and far between.
I still have not had anyone show me the location of the rancho near where Gary's 4Runner was found... as reported?
The 4Runner is where a FOOT/ HORSEBACK/ATV search should begin. IF he walked out on any road, then he would have been found. He only had to walk back
the way he drove in to be on a well used (for the area) dirt road about 2 miles.
Instead, he went cross-country where nobody could find him without also going cross country.
Naturally, this presumes he got the 4Runner stuck and not if it was taken from him, somewhere else.
The 4Runner is all we have to go from. Let's confirm where the 4Runner was found and then search out from there. I hope there can be closure soon for
this family. |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I have driven from Nogales to Magdalena to San Luis Rio Colorado all through the Sonoran Desert. I spent plenty of time driving La Rumorosa to
Centinela to Salada to Mexicali to San Felipe to San Carlos. My husband was from Mexicali and we drove out of cities into the desert all the time. I
think the horseback riders should start from where the truck was found.
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
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LOL, 90% of that is a 4 lane divided highway. Nothing like Mex 1 or the dirt side roads. I'm convinced you type on here just to hear yourself talk.
You write 3 paragraphs when 2 sentences will do.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
The contest on who can post the most has got to stop. Let the family do their thing and report back. They will ask if they need help. Otherwise it
is fools game you are playing. |
I agree strongly with this comment. While reluctant to even post this comment myself, I suggest to EnsenadaDoc that you try to hold back on your
ongoing suggestions ....the family needs to follow their abilities and resources......and they have been well-established in this thread by now. This
is now their business and far less ours....
No disrespect meant.....just let it be for now....PLEASE.....for their sake as well as ours 
Don't believe everything you think....
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well two people today thought my idea was good about the horseback riders, and guess what guys. There is freedom of speech the last time I looked.
And I welcome any comments from the family U2U and I will stop immediately if they don't like what I say. So far, I don't feel anything I have said
has been out of line. You don't have to read my comments, just sayin'.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
considering the terrain and the propensity of the people in that area getting lost even those that are familiar with the area, it might be foolhardy
and dangerous even with 4 wheel drive vehicles. |
funny, that is the attraction to a few people I know.....
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hahaha well you know woody you have a point there...so called thrill seekers!! And people die from thrill seeking as well. But as Neil Young said,
it's better to burn out than to fade away!!
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Doc, just leave it alone....You are clearly obsessed with this ...Find something else ....Home shopping network? Just quit.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
What I am saying is that they might be willing to work for less due to the declining economy which can be indirectly be related to tourism; also
people in the area that are visiting might hire guides and horses for exploring so yes it can be directly related to tourism. | Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Cowboys don't rely on tourists for their income, but the price of beef may be of concern. |
[Edited on 4-30-2014 by EnsenadaDr] |
You seriously need to take a drive... You live in Ensenada, so it is just down the highway 200 miles. If you saw the area, lack of business, services,
people... except for a few along the highway... you could better relate to or understand what you are suggesting.
It is a desert, and ranchos are few and far between.
I still have not had anyone show me the location of the rancho near where Gary's 4Runner was found... as reported?
The 4Runner is where a FOOT/ HORSEBACK/ATV search should begin. IF he walked out on any road, then he would have been found. He only had to walk back
the way he drove in to be on a well used (for the area) dirt road about 2 miles.
Instead, he went cross-country where nobody could find him without also going cross country.
Naturally, this presumes he got the 4Runner stuck and not if it was taken from him, somewhere else.
The 4Runner is all we have to go from. Let's confirm where the 4Runner was found and then search out from there. I hope there can be closure soon for
this family. |
DK is right start with 4x4s, using Horses and locals is also a good idea, grinding then on price, not so much.
This thread is becoming it's own reality, it has very little with how Gary will be found and more about playing "find the missing guy". Let the family
do it's thing, they care more about what happened more then anybody else.
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I totally agree with DavidK. The search must begin from where the Toyota SUV was found. To the Patton family - I'll save a place in my heart for
Gary's wellbeing, knowing we will figure this out.
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Dear Nomads: Do any of you know if there is a mechanic in Catavina? Or a tire shop? We are trying to ensure that if the car needs repair whether
there are any folks in town that could help us with the car.
Regarding some comments here, the idea of enlisting the cowboys is a solid one that we have been investigating. LL is assisting us with this effort.
We might ask if there could be some refrain in feeling the need to share gruesome and graphic details relating to lost souls and how they are found,
because it does not offer any value to us; we are already dealing with our worst fears.
Thank you for all the well-wishes on our behalf.
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