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David K
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Be very brave, and watch these... here is part 1, and followthe links to all 9 parts. Part 3 contains footage from Al Gore's hoax movie, showing how
the out-of-work vice president is selecting the facts to show you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TqqWJugXzs&feature=relat...
Goat, I would trust John Coleman's weather knowledge over any politician like Al Gore... A meteorologist, founded the Weather Channel, and is now semi
retired and having fun doing weather on local TV in his final years. I only mention Coleman and the YouTube link above to give you guys some
'science'... I had my beliefs about global warming before I heard either of those.
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I find it very hard to believe that man has not had some negative affect on this planet. I don't buy everything about Man Made Global Warming but
there is no doubt that we have had an affect. IMO
To do nothing is the crime.
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David:
"I had my beliefs about global warming before I heard either of those."
That says a lot doesn't it.
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David, I watched the video, recall seeing it before. In some ways I hope they are right, that man has not caused global warming. The science that I
have been exposed to does not support that point of view. However if indeed they are wrong and we do nothing to curb green house gases and other forms
of air polution that affect the amount and kind of light wave frequencies that strike the earth then we are up a very nasty creek with out a
proverbial paddle. There is rapid climate change occuring and it will have a profound impact on human civilization.
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David K
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Don't you think that we are doing wonders in cleaning up the planet...? The United States has been a leading nation in showing the world how to make
clean cars, clean coal and nuclear power plants, cleaning rivers and forests, planting trees, and recycling, etc. etc.
For all we do that puts us far and above other industrealized nations, why is it that so many here want to punish us? Too bad that so many have not
seen more of the world to see how clean we are compared to places like India, China, Russia...
I for one am tired of the U.S. getting blamed for so much... and for a president who keeps apologizing for us. We have been an example to the rest of
the world of how to be enviromentally responsible. Sure mistakes are made, but we learn from them and make things better.
I also (at age 52) do not see "rapid climate change"... I see some small changes, like Santa Ana winds that used to be in the fall, now coming in the
winter... BUT, was it normal back then... or normal now??? We do not live long enough to see real changes in the climate...
I suggest living a clean, decent life... do the best you can, help others and be happy. You are so lucky to live in the greatest nation on earth, so
appreciate that. Don't feel guilty, instead use your Americanism to show others the benefits of freedom. Give from your heart, teach from your mind.
Be suspect of anyone who puts down those things that make America and Americans great. LESS GOVERNMENT and MORE FREEDOM is how and why opportunity is
the key to our success.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
I believe in collecting data using a reasoned method. I do so for a living. |
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Hey David, how long have you lived in O'side? Ever driven down the strand? Did you know that it used to keep going quite a way further south than it
does now? Have you ever seen it flooded? Why do you think it's filled with boulders on the beach side? I could use that as "evidence" that the sea
level has risen here in CA. There are many other local beaches where it appears levels have risen as well.
John Coleman...please!
Saludos, from science teacher extraordinaire, Heather
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Clean coal?? Hasn't been invented. Still an oxymarooon. As for nuclear power, I'm must have been dozing when they came up a failsafe method for
disposing the spent fuel.
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screw global warming - that is old news.
what i am worried about now is tectonic plate shifting!!!
my God people - the dang continents are drifting apart....we HAVE to stop this or air fares between countries are gonna go sky high!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
screw global warming - that is old news.
what i am worried about now is tectonic plate shifting!!!
my God people - the dang continents are drifting apart....we HAVE to stop this or air fares between countries are gonna go sky high!!
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Depends on where you are and where you want to go. Some continents are getting closer as others are drifting farther apart 
carpe diem!
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David I invite you to look at your last post from the READER's point of view. I was amazed at the number of things you claim are good about America
that I project you would ascribe to tin-foil-hatted, left wing socialist, bleeding heart liberal radical environmentalists. While I do not agree with
all the above, I am a proud environmentalist and I remember having to pry every one of our successes out of the steely grip of the unregulated (read
less government) capitalists. We had to sue the government to even get them started cleaning up all the nuclear contamination in the country, and now
they want us to believe there is such a thing as clean coal. The "greed is good" mentality has not been good for the sustainability of our country
and I don't believe it has proven effective historically. When the predominantly Lutheran Germans took up arms with the predominantly Catholic
Italians in the 1930s and set out to dominate the planet, a predominantly Christian USA built a war machine like the world had never seen and in
quelling the Christian on Christian bloodshed, participated in the destruction of the major cities and industry all across Europe. The US emerged with
its cities intact, its industry booming and the competition in ashes. Did the US do good with all the wealth and manpower and firepower after the war.
Yes. But we also immediately began manipulating the rest of the world, meddling in their economies, fomenting coups, assassinating leaders.
Ultimately, to introduce the current holy war quagmire, let me first say that the Republicans had proof that the Iraqis and Osama bin Laden had
serious high tech weaponry. Rumsfeld and Reagan had kept the receipts from when they sold them to Saddam and Osama. Such is the meddling in the
affairs of others, and the accompanying fear of America by the rest of the world, that PNAC and Geo. W Bush got away with invading and occupying Iraq,
dismantling its power structure, and shock and awe, presto-chango civil war. The pent-up religious war that is the Iraqi people has paid with the
lives of hundreds of thousands of its citizens for the crime of having absolutely nothing to do with the 9-11 attacks. The US is "pulling out" but we
are being very quiet about the 14 permanent US military bases that we will be occupying to protect our oil. If we would do this to our ally Saddam,
who else might we destroy. Does our government think it can do this because it has slipped in a national religion on us and there is PLENTY of old
testiment hell-fire reserved for those who don't believe on Jejova. In America with a living first ammendment there could NEVER be any question if a
politician or this nation was waging a holy war. I can't tell any more.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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blah blah blah...
I just want you to drive faster
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Heather
Hey David, how long have you lived in O'side? Ever driven down the strand? Did you know that it used to keep going quite a way further south than it
does now? Have you ever seen it flooded? Why do you think it's filled with boulders on the beach side? I could use that as "evidence" that the sea
level has risen here in CA. There are many other local beaches where it appears levels have risen as well.
John Coleman...please!
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Hi Heather,
Yes, I am a beach person afterall... Why the boulders or road missing?:
That is beach erosion, not a higher sea level.
I lived on the beach in Del Mar for the first 7 years of my life (2010 Sandy Lane... the most northern home in Del Mar, by the river). In the 60's
there was tons of sand in front of the homes in Del Mar. Then the El Niño conditions (as they were called) of the 1980's took away all that sand (also
from other California beaches).
The sand buffer was removed... so big boulders were brought in to help keep the waves from breaking into homes, businesses, highways... all along San
Diego County.
But, my old street, the lot my home was on (a newer home replaced mine), etc. are ALL STILL above sea level...
Beach erosion brings the ocean closer, but the sea level is unchanged. If sea level had rose a few feet, then the homes and streets that were only a
few feet higher than high tide would be in the water... they aren't.
As I said before... perhaps the sea levels have 'technically' risen, but if so they have risen so tiny as to not cause any problems for people along
the shoreline... inches or less. All within the 'normal' and natural changes caused by Nature, not by man.
Cheers!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
screw global warming - that is old news.
what i am worried about now is tectonic plate shifting!!!
my God people - the dang continents are drifting apart....we HAVE to stop this or air fares between countries are gonna go sky high!!
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Depends on where you are and where you want to go. Some continents are getting closer as others are drifting farther apart |
Scientifically prove your point about some continents moving closer together or get off this board, Mr. Bondy. There is no room for people who
provide their unsubstantiated knowledge.
Have you the published history to prove your position?
Have you spent your last 40 years in the admiration of countless others, slaving away on measuring those distances on your hands and knees, proving
that very point?
Have you forsaken earning a living and having a family while you took those measurements?
If you cannot answer in the affirmative on each and every question above, you are considered nothing more than a DK, mimic. So there!!!!
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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David K
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Yah! (what Gull said)
Ken is good people, he can camp with me on Shell Island anytime... Heck, with his H-1 Hummer, he can go anywhere he wants! 
and IF the sea level ever does rise (while we are still alive), we may need Ken's H-1 to get onto Shell Island!
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capt. mike
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hummmm good point Ken.... if we have a finite space, the earth - if some are moving apart...then others HAVE to be moving together...
hey!! good news, i can someday get to Hawaii on my 90 gal range and not have to bother with one of those plastic long range ocean ferry tank rigs in
the cabin! makes me nervous around all that volatile fuel!
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Problem is California (west of the San Andreas fault includes all of Baja) are moving north, towards Alaska!
[Edited on 10-23-2009 by David K]
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I have been lurking this thread and have found it somewhat amusing, thought provoking, and, at times, speechless! Sometimes it's difficult to tell
when someone is either pulling a leg or is just plain ignorant. My biggest concern in this entire discussion is that the variables contained in the
hypotheses are given short shrift. Much of this discussion has been binary. The world is not binary. Relativity forced us to think in more than 3
dimensions. Quantum Mechanics increased the number of dimensions, and string theory has blown the doors wide open. An attempt was made to explain
rises in sea level that were hidden or masked in a changing tidal range. That discussion showed promise, but battering ram thinking nipped it in the
bud. Plate tectonics is an interesting topic - and it's not a zero sum game. The space of the earth is not finite - it creates and takes away land
regularly. It expands and contracts ocean basins, and the amount of water in any particular form at any given time is constantly changing. The
theological bent was fascinating, but there was no discussion about the absence of god. It stands to reason that if man's early survival rested in a
god-type gene (one that pomoted a collectivist notion in battling the adveristies of the enviornment), then at some point it would no longer be needed
(I tend to think that I am an evolutionary frontrunner in that department). It has also become painfully clear that those who think deepest about
these subjects tend to be retired, have considerable time to "sleep on it" (since that's all they really do - hahah), and tend to focus, and relish,
the nuances. The rest are working stiffs who are just trying to catch up. Frankly, some of this stuff has gone right over other's heads, but hey - if
you don't stretch, you don't learn! However, the best part is this has to be the most far reaching discussion on this board that has absolutely
nothing to do with physical baja, and everything to do with the ephemoral baja. Regardless of your age, gender, ethnicity, orientation, profession,
status, nationality, at the end of the day, when you're gazing at the last vestiges of the campfire, isn't this what's milling about in your mind? For
that reason alone, this thread has reminded me of baja most. Thanks!
Whoa there, Cowboy - pull back on those reins!
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Sculpin
I am not entirely certain that I understand what you said, but damn, you sure said it well and that has merit in and of itself around the Nomad fire!
I for one love Elmore Leonard. I hate his characters, really despicable, disgusting characters, but their dialogue is absolutely mesmerizing. You can
see the bullets being taken carefully out of the box, slowly loaded into the chamber and all the time you know that this schmuck is going to blow his
foot off. Ya gotta love that sort of writing.
At this juncture I have to raise a cold one to Osprey for his six pack of loud mouth, I nearly blew good beer out my nose on that one. Still makes me
chuckle.
I have been around string theory enough to see it is a ball of yarn that challenges my view of the universe that has my Pacifico dead center in it.
Thanks for bringing your six pack to the camp fire. Mine is about gone at this point. Mind if I have one of yours? I would love to hear you elaborate
a bit more on your view of things and strings and the rising tide of dispute about hem lenth next season.
Iflyfish
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God = The guy in charge. Doesn't matter if it's a deity. Helps, though. How else do you maintain order?
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