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BAJACAT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
I have emailed Bill to see if he is interested. I'll u2u Bajacat to see if he is interested too. |
got your
u2u Tom let me see if I can get more days off from work, I defenetly what to go, I have been to El Volcan site, that to me is a very spooky place I
drove all the way to the bend down stream, like a said very spooky place...
[Edited on 3-20-2011 by BAJACAT]
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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wilderone
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"Anything sounds better than walking around in the desert with a donkey and a dog to me ..."
And you call yourself a Nomad. Tsk Tsk.
I have found pictographs, obsidian flakes, shells, scraper tools and sleeping circles proximo de the "junction" at El Volcan and en route to Olvidada
mine. There were habitants in the area. For how long, and exactly who - dunno. Don't forget that whoever created the Great Murals have not been
determined. Long time history in Baja CA - not just missions. And who created the geoglyphs? One of the Google maps above, shows a fairly flat mesa
top with squarish definitions. Would be a bit difficult to determine on the ground unless you were really looking. Takes more than a walk-by, and
need to look for other related clues. A structure on the side of a loose rocky hill? Less likely IMO.
Also, on trip to El Volcan we overshot the right turn and continued on the road for another 3 miles or so and saw all kinds of trails criss-crossing
in and out of various canyons and arroyos. Maybe for mining or cattle ranching? Just saying there may be many reasons why one would see indicia of
mankind. C'mon let's check it out - 3-4 days in the area. I'll bring brownies. Who wants to go?
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BAJACAT
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well the trip to the Santa Maria mission is on the 28th(thursd),come out on Friday.On Friday maybe reach El Volcan and camp out for the day, early
morning Saturday (30th) start the search for the mission site and all that jesuit gold...that sounds good....
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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wilderone
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You're talking April? I think I can do that. Meet at Sta. Ynez 4/29? Anyone else? Carpool from San Diego? (If so, I'd like to ride - share
expenses).
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
| Quote: | Originally posted by surfer jim
...and when they start hauling out all those gold coins it will be time for a trip down to "help out".....I can just see my pockets and shoes full of
treasure....it's even better than walking around with a donkey and a dog
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I can just see the Marines hauling off a bunch of illegal treasure hunters to the slammer, as it is a federal crime to remove anything archelogical
and/or mineral. They belong to the Mexican government.
Anything sounds better than walking around in the desert with a donkey and a dog to me....but I'd take it over being hauled off to a Mexijail.
One has to ask one's self why would anyone build anything on terrain like what is shown in DK's photos when there is much more suitable locations
around for the taking? I would assume they would have built a structure on somewhat flat ground as it would be easier to construct, but I am not a
mission guru. I haven't even seen one in person, but I am an Engineer.
What do you think DK, is this a likely Mission spot? Me thinks not.
[Edited on 3-20-2011 by fishabductor] |
Not at all... but you don't see that this is all a game... Lost mission searching is just a fun name for desert exploration... an excuse, if you will.
There is no treasures, the padres had none... Perhaps some pieces from the church alters are still out there in some ranchers home or ?? But, no loot
of gold, silver or pearls... Missions all were documented... even if they were proposed, and those became lost missions to some.
The Santa Clara lost mission (shown on the map as a 'started' mission of San Juan Bautista near Punta Abreojos), and the Santa Maria Magdalena
'started' mission south of L.A. Bay (which may be the site I visited in 2009 http://vivabaja.com/109 ) are more likely to have existed than a place never named as a mission or visita on a map or list.
So, the search for the Lost Mission of Santa Isabel is a Baja activity... something fun to do!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
You're talking April? I think I can do that. Meet at Sta. Ynez 4/29? Anyone else? Carpool from San Diego? (If so, I'd like to ride - share
expenses). |
If I have some work before... Tough wanting to explore Baja, but no money to do it!
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bufeo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jack Swords
Just to cause trouble.........?" |
Jack, interesting link.
I'm posting a U2U to you.
Allen R
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fishabductor
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"Anything sounds better than walking around in the desert with a donkey and a dog to me ..."
And you call yourself a Nomad. Tsk Tsk.
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I should clarify... what I meant was walking 1000 plus miles through the desert.
I like exploring as well...I have found petrogylphs and other ancient items while out exploring. I have a metal detector and am planing on going out
and checking a rock wall constructed in a very odd place.
I also like to walk out of the family ranch searching for drop antlers....weather permitting. You won't find me doing this in July...been there done
that....and barely made it back to the ranch. Heat stroke/dehydration about killed me.
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TMW
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BAJACAT
well the trip to the Santa Maria mission is on the 28th(thursd),come out on Friday.On Friday maybe reach El Volcan and camp out for the day, early
morning Saturday (30th) start the search for the mission site and all that jesuit gold...that sounds good.... |
Good, we'll keep in touch as it gets closer.
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Fish, if I was to find any treasure the Mexican government would be among the first to know. Maybe a reward, but it doesn't matter.
As to why they would build a mission out there in the middle of nowhere, who really knows. Why did they build Santa Maria where it is. Not an easy
place to get to. Back in the time there may have been water in El Volcan and there may have been indians in the area for them to convert, I don't
really know. I'm really out there looking for the amazon women that may be hiding in a cave waiting for a handsome man such as me to come along. Now
that I would not tell anybody about and I'm sure Bajacat would keep quite too.
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fishabductor
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
Fish, if I was to find any treasure the Mexican government would be among the first to know. Maybe a reward, but it doesn't matter.
As to why they would build a mission out there in the middle of nowhere, who really knows. Why did they build Santa Maria where it is. Not an easy
place to get to. Back in the time there may have been water in El Volcan and there may have been indians in the area for them to convert, I don't
really know. I'm really out there looking for the amazon women that may be hiding in a cave waiting for a handsome man such as me to come along. Now
that I would not tell anybody about and I'm sure Bajacat would keep quite too. |
Amazon women hiding in a cave...can I come too?
Have fun on the adventure!
Note: the comment about the mex gov and illegal treasure hunting stemmed from surfer jims comment about filling ones pockets with gold. I know it was
a jokingly made comment, but I really don't want to hear about anyone going to the slammer over a few Bulleon(sp?)
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Cypress
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The Mexican Govt. has "treasure" galore; pot ,cocaine, meth, etc. Feeding the criminal crowd in the USA. If I've got to take a pee test to work my ass
off, then pee test the welfare crowd. If they don't pass the test, no more welfare.
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["Amazon women hiding in a cave...can I come too?"]
Sure as long as you don't tell. What happens in a cave stays in a cave.
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fishabductor
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
The Mexican Govt. has "treasure" galore; pot ,cocaine, meth, etc. Feeding the criminal crowd in the USA. If I've got to take a pee test to work my
burro off, then pee test the welfare crowd. If they don't pass the test, no more welfare. |
damn good point...cypress
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
Fish, if I was to find any treasure the Mexican government would be among the first to know. Maybe a reward, but it doesn't matter.
As to why they would build a mission out there in the middle of nowhere, who really knows. Why did they build Santa Maria where it is. Not an easy
place to get to. Back in the time there may have been water in El Volcan and there may have been indians in the area for them to convert, I don't
really know. I'm really out there looking for the amazon women that may be hiding in a cave waiting for a handsome man such as me to come along. Now
that I would not tell anybody about and I'm sure Bajacat would keep quite too. |
Santa Maria was the second location for the mission that was originally founded at Calamajue.
When crops would not grow in the highly mineralized water, the Indians told the padres about the valley where Santa Maria was built... It was the
closest, year round source of abundant, sweet water.
The land was not the greatest for growing crops, and soon after the Franciscans (who replaced the Jesuits in 1768) founded San Fernando, in 1769, the
Santa Maria mission was reduced in status to a visita. Santa Maria was the shortest lived mission in Baja.
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mcfez
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originally founded at Calamajue
David....
The "Calamajue" down by Coco's? Same place?
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
David....
The "Calamajue" down by Coco's? Same place? |
That's the only one, yes!
See this page, made to help anyone find the Baja missions and many mission related sites (GPS and satellite views):
http://vivabaja.com/missions4/
Here is Calamajue mission site (as it appears on my web page):
CALAMAJUE 29°25'16.30" 114°11'42.36" Located 15.5 miles north of Hwy. 1 (Km. 261) or
14 miles east and south of Coco's Corner, on the east bank of Arroyo Calamajue.
Photos at the site and brief data: http://www.vivabaja.com/missions1/page8.html
[Edited on 3-21-2011 by David K]
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Stupid me David! I had no idea of this place was there...yet I have been making plans for run to this place! Thanks for the info (again!). There's a
fishing hole there that I keep hearing about...
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
Stupid me David! I had no idea of this place was there...yet I have been making plans for run to this place! Thanks for the info (again!). There's a
fishing hole there that I keep hearing about... |
You are thinking of the cove on the gulf coast (Puerto Calamajue), down the arroyo from the mission. About 25 miles by road between the two.
2008 and 1962 maps of the area...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BAJACAT
...I have been to El Volcan site, that to me is a very spooky place I drove all the way to the bend down stream, like a said very spooky
place...[Edited on 3-20-2011 by BAJACAT] |
I'm wondering what you mean by "spooky". I haven't heard it described that way before and it sounds like a good story. Please tell 
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