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David K
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People who won't believe their own eyes, but will believe someone they don't know, thousands of miles away, paid to say something to make them afraid.
When the government makes more profit on a gallon of gasoline than the company who actually explored, risked, drilled, refined, and delivered the
fuel, that is making us poorer. I can't even get into all the insane regulations and restrictions that cause almost everything we need to cost much
more than it would be otherwise. Regulations for our safety are fine, regulations to make an attorney or politician feel good are not.
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SFandH
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Maybe? But of course!
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rts551
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I guess you think all the services you enjoy are free...David...like the bloated military you support. whine whine wine. a little cheese
please. Why is it you thing the people with an education are dumb....and those with none are smart....kind of calls into question intelligence
doesn't it.
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vgabndo
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | Who do you think I am speaking for, if not for myself?
Do you not see the same thing I do? In 1978, the media were all onboard the global cooling drama. 20 years later, they flipped, and without an ounce
of evidence to prove anything has changed, proclaimed the world was warming dangerously. When there was no warming happening for several years in a
row, and the scientists admitted to altering the figures, they renamed it 'Climate Change'. As if we all didn't know climates always change, man or no
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These are some pretty bold statements. I am seeing you saying that IN YOUR OPINION the last 3 decades of work by the world's foremost scientific
institutions has failed to provide "an ounce of evidence to prove anything has changed" regarding our changing climate? Really? Please entertain us
with your thoughts about what the tens of thousands of dedicated, professional, earth scientists were doing with all that time. The world settled on
using the term Climate Change because it more accurately described the phenomenon. I agree that climates always change, those are the little up and
down waves that form the handle on the "hockey stick" graph.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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chuckie
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Its all wind and platitudes with DK, he can spin stuff faster than the local dervish....His latest statement on the gas companies is quite possibly
one of the dumbest things he has ever said.....or not....he says a lot of dumb things....OK I pick elite, instead of masses....whatever that is.....
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I think it's clear that David K and others will not change their minds until they see the changes for themselves, regardless of what other people say.
So there really is no point in trying to reason with them.
I'll go along with the folks that make up the scientific organizations listed on the following page. Their collective wisdom and observations are far
greater than mine.
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
Thanks again to nomad wilderone for posting this link.
[Edited on 9-1-2015 by SFandH]
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chuckie
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Yes thanks...good stuff.....
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | People who won't believe their own eyes, but will believe someone they don't know, thousands of miles away, paid to say something to make them afraid.
When the government makes more profit on a gallon of gasoline than the company who actually explored, risked, drilled, refined, and delivered the
fuel, that is making us poorer. I can't even get into all the insane regulations and restrictions that cause almost everything we need to cost much
more than it would be otherwise. Regulations for our safety are fine, regulations to make an attorney or politician feel good are not.
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You should stick to Ride-Rites, a subject you can handle.
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Those who profess antiscience attitudes are mostly hypocritical from my perspective. They are happy to use the fruits of science but reluctant to
accept their responsibilities when science does not take the direction they want. And their vision of the future is dimmed by that same capability to
exclude themselves from the truth. WE are responsible, need to accept responsibility and work on solutions for tomorrow to be brighter for the kids.
It is not OK to shirk that duty and make excuses for our attitudes. If these truths are not happening to you personally, that doesn't mean they will
go away.
BTW, do you see a scientifically trained physician for your health care? Do you prefer to ignore your health or put your faith in the hands of shamans
and medicine men. Everyone makes choices, just know what choice you're making. I support and respect those who choose to go forward with positive
lifestyles that minimize their carbon foot print and depletion of natural resources. I also support national and international efforts with the same
goals. What about you?
PS, don't bother with a reply, DK, we already know....
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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chuckie
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(Intro music for palm tree pics)
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wessongroup
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Thanks Mexitron ... I couldn't remember his name ... found his thinking very interesting .. in that the incorporation of "Middle Eastern" religion
was helping to understand and/or explain the "topic" in Physics
Here's something for a raining day ... or _________
Quantum Consciousness = New Science
ya might have to listen more than once ... for a number of reasons
and yes ... I think this is related to "Global Warming" 
[Edited on 9-1-2015 by wessongroup]
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David K
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So, unless you tow the leftist agenda of the evils of capitalism, that big business is bad (but big government is okay), that the earth is ruined,
that it is all our fault and Nature has no part in climate change, you get discredited.
You say there is no credibility with my lifetime of observations about sea level (it is the subject of this thread)??? Really?? You don't even need to
believe me since I provided the 60-year-old photo of the same palms that are still above the high tide line. Don't you believe your own eyes?
Do you need to discredit people in order to become empowered or feel good? I only discredit the theory that sea levels are rising dangerously in our
lifetime. Have I been nasty or insulted you personally because you fall for the populist ideas... that are 180º different from the populist ideas of
the 1970's?
I want to empower people to think and use their own brains before falling for any hysteria, like 'the sky is falling' (Chicken Little/ Henny Penny). I
am not asking anyone to believe me... I am asking you to believe yourself, your eyes, your feet when they do get wet at the same distance below the
pier that they did when you were a kid.
Okay amigos? Don't be threatened by this idea that your eyes are as good or better than someone in Washington, D.C. who may never been to the beach.
PEACE!
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Talking about people using their brains, I was talking to some of the old folks here in Abreojos. They were talking about how in thieir lifetime
they had never seen the saltflats between Abreojos and Bocana fill up and change the road. The road between Abreojos and La Bocana in the saltflat
has been flooded now for a year. I explained to them OI know a climate change expert on the internet who explains it as erosion and ground sinking.
After theuy quit laughing, one said "Rafael, ¿por qué estás siempre diciendo chistes? El agua es más alto .." what am I supposed to respond
with dk.
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wessongroup
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3427 views for ... BFG TA KO2 now available
3635 " " Sea level changes (NASA/NOAA report based on satellite data)
For something many don't want to discuss ...
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David K
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You have to wonder why a salt flat there is flooding but all other salt flats in Baja are only flooded at extreme tides, as usual?
It would be good science to observe the various salt flats at the same lunar phase. I remember Shari saying the whale watch palapas had to be moved
further from the lagoon (or something similar to that).
My guess would be that the Vizcaino region (Abreojos to Scammon's Lagoon) is dropping in elevation a bit compared to before?
Observation, good!
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Tectonic plate movement isn't something that can be excluded .. in rising ocean levels or mountains ... et al
And some think there is a relationship between the movement being seen with these "plates" ... and the drying out of the "planets" crust ... via
Global Warming
Fun stuff science .... always has something to talk about 
But then ... So are tires, shocks, beer and ______
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rts551
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At this rate, we will be dropping off into the ocean. Newsflash Abreojos is sinking!
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | You have to wonder why...
It would be good science to observe the various salt flats at the same lunar phase....
My guess would be that the Vizcaino region (Abreojos to Scammon's Lagoon) is dropping...
Observation, good!
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If observation is good, if you think it would be good science to observe the salt flats,... Why do you discount the thousands (millions?) of sea level
measurements that scientists have collected, evaluated and presented?
Drinking a beer on the salt flats while taking snapshots of palm trees and your Toyota does not constitute scientific observation!
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rts551
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This has gone from the silly to absurd like a lot of other posts here. David...stick to pictures of Billies.
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Awwww here come the juvenile taunts as usual. A sure indication the
church goers at the church of climatechangeology are in session. That's fine, just quit passing your plate my way.
I am much more concerned that the Russians are attempting to take over the Artic and steal their natural resources, right under our noses, while we
concern ourselves with the horrible effects of cows farting.
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