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Lee
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Gringo go home! Why Mexico is turning against US immigrants
Posted this pic at another post and was surprised nobody thought it was funny -- or thought that's how some Mexicans felt about gentrification in the
Todos/Pescadero area. I see the tourist busses most days headed for Todos. I see everyone drinking Margs at the Hotel California, and think the
tourists are very happy. I don't hang at the tourist joints and don't see them where I shop for food.
On the other hand, gringoes moving into the area are driving real estate prices higher and higher. Taco's are about the same price in Pescadero as
they are at the San Clemente Outlet kiosk.
Change is inevitable to me and I'm seeing it. Whining about changes? Pointless. Present day issues are here and think Mexicans are not happy
about it.
https://www.thetimes.com/world/latin-america/article/gringo-...
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JZ
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Racism. Did I do that right?
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surabi
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No.
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Different ism. It’s called classism.
USA citizens that have never had the good fortune to live in California react similarly when they see wealthy Californians move into their state…
Woke!
Hands off!
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“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Lee - When you posted the hat earlier, I thought it was funny, but also that it captured the complicated attitude of locals toward visitors and expats
(a.k.a. visitors who stayed) in Todos Santos and El Pescadero. I suspect there's an element of truth behind the hat's humor, and although I've never
directly encountered hostility, I'm sure it's out there. Even recent retirees like me couldn't afford to buy in El Gavilán; so I can only imagine the
situation for an average worker earning Mexican wages.
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Terry28
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I actually agree with Goat,,,IF you are from california just try moving to Oregon and experience their attitude......
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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Quote: Originally posted by Terry28  | | I actually agree with Goat,,,IF you are from california just try moving to Oregon and experience their attitude...... |
This video is fantastic. It is done by a guy who lived most of his life in Portland, Oregon. It explains how people moving from the Bay Area
ultimately destroyed a once great city.
It goes year by year over 25 years showing the slow decay and why it happened. A must watch and a cautionary tale.
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chippy
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JZ it's probably how they feel about you in Colorado
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JZ
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Not where my house is. We are all 100% on the same page. Plus I've had the house for about 20 years.
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Listened to the full episode... very good, JZ!
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Not where my house is. We are all 100% on the same page. Plus I've had the house for about 20 years.
I only mentioned that because I spend alot of time in Az,Ut and Colo. and they all seem to feel the same way about the kalifornicators.
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| Quote: Originally posted by chippy |
I only mentioned that because I spend alot of time in Az,Ut and Colo. and they all seem to feel the same way about the kalifornicators.
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Understood. Thankfully, we aren't part of the nut job kalifornicators. We were raised right.
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surabi
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That's highly debatable.
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by Terry28 | | I actually agree with Goat,,,IF you are from california just try moving to Oregon and experience their attitude...... |
This video is fantastic. It is done by a guy who lived most of his life in Portland, Oregon. It explains how people moving from the Bay Area
ultimately destroyed a once great city.
It goes year by year over 25 years showing the slow decay and why it happened. A must watch and a cautionary tale.
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Unclear what Portland's demise has to do with Baja or this thread. Briggs blames the Bay Area and LA for Portland's problems. Briggs doesn't know
California. I know Portland and it's in a slump. After watching the Brigg's vid, I thought: SO WHAT!
For those who dislike Mexicans, I say it's not for you. For those who don't have time or interest in seeing Portland turn around, I say leave.
It's not for you!
Anyone who thinks Todos Santos lost it's ''vibe'' long ago, I say it's not for you anymore.
I told my wife recently I miss San Francisco. Esp. the beach and the culture. I love LA and know it's not for everyone.
Brigg's bias, generally, stems from finances which I think he has little of. Taxes, cost of living, boo hoo.
Many leaving California can't or don't want to afford it. Understood. Things change in Baja, prices are going up and more crowds. Might be
time for you to leave.
Jimmy Briggs doesn't discuss any solutions to homelessness in Portland, or, generally, how to guide drug addicts to making better choices. He
likes to lay blame. What an a$$hole.
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surabi
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Briggs' whole website is dedicated to talking about all the negative aspects, in his view, of various cities. That's his shtick, not presenting any
balanced viewpoint.
And as far as that hat's message is concerned, to me its message isn't about gringoes not being welcome, it's directed at the type of gringo who
thinks everyone is interested in the fact that they just moved to Mexico, with zero awareness of the cultural, financial, and infrastructure issues
that concern locals when it comes to their towns being overrun with tourists and expats.
I have lived in Mexico for over 20 years and have never experienced negativity or resentment from Mexicans, aside from a small few who would be
considered a-holes no matter where they lived.
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You know you are an old f@rt when you complain about today, remarking that it was better in the old days…
Y’all suffer from nostalgia, loss aversion and rose-tinted memories.
Woke!
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ateo | | Terry.........I have nothing but love for ya!! It's just a shame this site has deteriorated further. But that's reality. All good bro!
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I've always liked you Ateo. We communicated long ago. Don't recall how crazy nomads can get but, to me, borderline OT stuff belongs over there,
and not here. Its got to be difficult for some to separate Forum and OT.
Goat referenced CA people, Terry added to that, JZ probably thought hey Oregon is next door and he thinks Briggs trashing Portland is an honest
opinion and wants to share that. Wow.
Re this thread, and MX activists in the City, lots of those activists feel short changed and some probably envy those involved with gentrification.
I"m guessing the ''gringoes'' they are targeting are white. That's racism I think.
Hard for me to see anything negative like this happening in Baja. Guess anything is possible.
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee |
Re this thread, and MX activists in the City, lots of those activists feel short changed and some probably envy those involved with gentrification.
I"m guessing the ''gringoes'' they are targeting are white. That's racism I think.
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Strange and illogical conclusion. The vast majority of gringoes who relocate to Mexico happen to be white, but that doesn't mean gringoes are targeted
because of their race.
From what I have read, in Mexico City, the objections to gringoes relocating there is that the majority of them are young digital nomads, who do not
integrate into Mexican society, do not bother to learn Spanish, drive up the price of housing, take over bars and clubs that used to be places young
Mexicans hung out, are arrogant and insular. Those are all legitimate concerns for the local population, and have zero to do with racism.
Americans happen to have the worst reputation as tourists all over the world, as being unadaptable, loud, entitled and demanding, and clueless and
disrespectful of other cultures. This has nothing to do with racism, as they are criticized as such by people in countries which are predominately
white as well as those which are not. (Of course not all Americans are like this, but enough are to have earned this reputation as a general
demographic.)
There are tons of Mexicans whose skin is whiter than that of many gringoes. And tons whose skin is so dark you could easily assume they were Black. If
you just saw a photo of them, you could easily think they were American or African or whatever. So no, this has nothing to do with race, but with
behavior.
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Quote: Originally posted by Lee |
Re this thread, and MX activists in the City, lots of those activists feel short changed and some probably envy those involved with gentrification.
I"m guessing the ''gringoes'' they are targeting are white. That's racism I think.
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Strange and illogical conclusion. The vast majority of gringoes who relocate to Mexico happen to be white, but that doesn't mean gringoes are targeted
because of their race.
White gringoes are targeted because they are white. They are profiled because they are perceived to have ''money.'' Think this is true
everywhere in the World.
From what I have read, in Mexico City, the objections to gringoes relocating there is that the majority of them are young digital nomads, who do not
integrate into Mexican society, do not bother to learn Spanish, drive up the price of housing, take over bars and clubs that used to be placrs young
Mexicans hung out, are arrogant and insular. Those are all legitimate concerns for the local population, and have zero to do with racism.
There's more to the text if you read between the lines.
There are tons of Mexicans whose skin is whiter than that of many gringoes. And tons whose skin is so dark you could easily assume they were Black. If
you just saw a photo of them, you could easily think they were American or African or whatever. |
White skin Mexicans could be ID'd as gringo. Black gringoes, and people with darker skin, are not perceived as gringoes. White people have
privileges that Blacks, and non-white people do not have. If you are white, you may not know this. If you are ''other'', you're in denial or a
''special'' case.
The MX activists in MX City? Many reasons for demonstrating in the streets. You probably think none of them are racists. I believe many are
racist and xenophobic too.
Last opinion, my experience is gringoes who've been living South for awhile are out of touch and only have 2nd hand info and what they've read online.
Out of touch.
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ligui
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It isn't because your American. It's because you are acting like a big as hole.
Go back to the States.  I could name a few on this forum. Not worth
the time.
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