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Sharksbaja
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and Baja speaketh unto us:
Cometh into my land. Seek refuge and solace in my domain and inherit the
spiritual understanding. Deliver back graciously and thou hast completed the circle of true friends.
a Baja Nomad
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The squarecircle
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Greetings; >>>>> Having experienced your comfort, nourishment and intellectual titilation, an opportunity of reciprocation approaches
to share my meager knowledge of that local south of El Barril. What say you about an Oct. slot. >>>>> Best regards, sq.
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bajaden
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I worship at the altar of Sharky. The true antiJr. Just kidding Jr.
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Sharksbaja
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gold coins for all today
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaden
I worship at the altar of Sharky. The true antiJr. Just kidding Jr. |
Den, does he complete the circle?
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SqCircle: the commitment of a finite date looms uncertain. Sorrow is mine to suffer for sure.  Thanks for the sincere effort. Please keep me abreast, you never know, I AM A NOMAD after all. Families like teeth can be unpredictable.
Maybe and hopefully, another time.
Corky
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rpleger
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?What?
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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David K
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Squarecircle: Los Corrales and beyond? 
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The squarecircle
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Greetings David & All; >>>>>> YES, Los Corrales and beyond including La Sirena mine, El Venado, La Fortuna, La Junta, San
Miguel thru and across the 28* 00'. Rancho Santa Barbara on the return which is a 'must see' . Hope you can go! >>>>>> Best
Regards, sq.
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The squarecircle
Greetings David & All; >>>>>> YES, Los Corrales and beyond including La Sirena mine, El Venado, La Fortuna, La Junta, San
Miguel thru and across the 28* 00'. Rancho Santa Barbara on the return which is a 'must see' . Hope you can go! >>>>>> Best
Regards, sq. |
Gee Roy, did I miss something?
Remember what you told me? Please don't make public GPS data from your trip. Some places demand less traffic.
Suerte, Corky
[Edited on 9-10-2005 by Sharksbaja]
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The squarecircle
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Greetings again Corky; >>>>>>I am sorry to acknowledge a temporary morbidly profuse oral discharge about trip data here, but for
now only the shadow knows of when this outing may happen and no GPS info will gush from me on this. >>>>>> Best Regards, sq.
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Sharksbaja
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Spoken like a true Nomad, thanx!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by The squarecircle
Greetings David & All; >>>>>> YES, Los Corrales and beyond including La Sirena mine, El Venado, La Fortuna, La Junta, San
Miguel thru and across the 28* 00'. Rancho Santa Barbara on the return which is a 'must see' . Hope you can go! >>>>>> Best
Regards, sq. |
Gee Roy, did I miss something?
Remember what you told me? Please don't make public GPS data from your trip. Some places demand less traffic.
Suerte, Corky
[Edited on 9-10-2005 by Sharksbaja] |
Hola Sharks (Corky? We have two Corkys on Nomad!),
I am wondering why you think that a GPS waypoint brings in more people than a published milage reading?
As fewer people have GPS than odometers to use for navigation, I do not understand the logic.
To me, a GPS waypoint is an exact location whereas an odometer reading is approximate since no two cars seem to have the same or correct odometer.
Plus, detours and spinning tires in sand will throw off an odometer reading.
With GPS, there is no guessing or getting lost, so people get to there destination faster and out of the area quicker...
Kacey Smith in her Baja GPS guide has her San Francisquito to San Ignacio ride (through that area) already published and I don't think more Nomads
have gone that far into Baja than would anyway, they just were able to get to a destination quicker... Nomads are good people anyway, we don't paint
graffiti on things (we better not!)...
So, if a travel guide says drive 13.6 miles from Rancho X... Or, if one adds: go to waypoint 29-09.76', 113-XX.XX', how does that cause more traffic
to any place? Why would you write about a cool place to visit to your Nomad brothers and sisters, but not want any of them to see it too? But the
point is, if you are going to give directions to a place, then by adding a GPS waypoint, you don't cause any more people to go there than if you left
it out. It just reduces or eliminates the chance of them getting lost, if they have a GPS .... maybe even save a life!
Saludos,
David
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bajaden
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I think I'm lost again. Help me Bruce..........
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bajaden
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The battries are dead in my GPS. I can't find the damm light switch.
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Sharksbaja
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David wrote:
"Why would you write about a cool place to visit to your Nomad brothers and sisters, but not want any of them to see it too? But the point is, if you
are going to give directions to a place, then by adding a GPS waypoint, you don't cause any more people to go there than if you left it out."
Do you believe that?
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I never said I did not want people to visit or see these places.
I said "please don't post the GPS data from the trip"
Odometer readings? Cmon, how many of these way out places have accurate or any odometer readings.
Why can't you ask privately for the waypoints for someone elses backyard?
You don't get it David. Would you post the coordinates for YOUR BACKYARD, say, if it were in a pristine area.
Would it not bother you if a Mexican discovered and posted it and all his off-road buddies came and turned your property into a thoroughfare. I think
it would.
Where do you draw the line? Think from another point of view......... maybe by looking north.
Suppose you were a local rancher. Maybe they don't want caravans of gringos opening private gates, trespassing in some cases and just plain opening up
an area to hoards of off-roaders because you found the hidden road(that the locals have kept secret) or passage.
I do like the off-road excitement and the thrill of discovery but why do you want to deminish that part by leading people by the hand(posting
way-points) and discribing everything in complete detail.
I disagree that all of Baja should be open to thousands of eager people simply because YOU did it and registered the waypoints for others to follow.
Some things are best kept quiet don't you think, or at least not posted for the whole world to see.
You and others are very resourceful and I doubt a Nomad such as yourself would have trouble gleaning the info from others.
Just my opinion David, but since this private discussion did not include you originally, I wonder how you knew?
Did I miss something again?
Corky
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comitan
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Just my 10cents I don't think that posting GPS points or mileage has near as much to do with whether people are going to these pristine areas as much
as accessability, meaning roads, road conitions. I also think that David K, has the right to post mileages, way points, gas mileage and even brag
about his new pickup. I know I sure would if I could afford one.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Sharksbaja
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to yer backyard?
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David K
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How I knew what? I was responding to what you posted right here in this thread.
I do not post waypoints to anyone's private rancho back yard... don't assume, look at my trip reports or my GPS website linked in VivaBaja.com
Do you have any Baja guidebooks? They use odometer readings to tell people how to get somewhere. The newest ones also have GPS added. No private
backyards or such are listed in my reports or in these already published guidebooks.
Mexico wants Americans to go to Baja, they spend a lot to invite us south. So, I don't see a problem with any Baja travel writers, doing just that.
Thousands? Baja Nomad is not that big, and only a small per centage go off road into Baja... a smaller number still will venture into a place I write
about... Reading about these far out places is satisfaction enough for many.
For example, very little was published about the road to Mision Santa Maria and beyond. Jim Hunter's book 'Offbeat Baja' was the best, but that was
almost 30 years ago... When I was there in 2003, making notes and GPS, a Jeep club of about 20 rigs drove in. They didn't go there because of my GPS
postings (as I hadn't made them yet)! In fact, none ID'd themselves as Nomads or Amigos de Baja.
So, what gets published here on Nomad for the interest of the hyper Baja lover is not going to have some giant destructive effect... perhaps none at
all.
I would rather find another Baja Nomad in a remote place than some Jeep club who may be thier first trip into Baja and doesn't have the passion that
we Nomads have... Would you agree?
[Edited on 9-10-2005 by David K]
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Sharksbaja
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But what if the Jeep club is from Baja.net
oops, same folks.
I am just trying to think like a rancher, who all of a sudden, has a continous stream of travelers goin' through.
I would actually hope to not see anyone, if that was relevant.
Is it impossible to think from another standpoint, or shall I say "waypoint"?
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David K
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Many of these remote places where Mexicans live might possibly have an economic boon if visitors went there. Keeping a small village secret so only
you can enjoy it or only you could bring supplies to them to look like the big white hero is not doing them a favor.
Naturally, if they requested their location not be published, that would be honored by me. I do not think a GPS waypoint on Baja Nomad (or anywhere
else) will magically bring hords of undesireble people in from Baja.net or anywhere else, as you said.
Also, FYI... I do not publish waypoints to any place someone has shown me or given to me, if they requested I not. There are places shared me by
friends here and I did not provide the GPS... despite what you may have been told... Onyx springs near Gonzaga, Las Tinajitas near San Borja, and Real
de Santa Ana near San Antonio BCS are three examples of places I have photos of in my web site, but no GPS or other milages to.
I privately gave Tim (TimsBaja.com) the directions to the onyx springs and he also respected the original request to not give exact directions... That
is what I ask if any Nomad asks for directions to such places.
There are no fragile sites that are unknown to the outside world that I gave GPS for. All the mission sites are already well known and books even have
the GPS for all of them (Ed Vernon's and Dave Werschkul's).
I think that is all I have to say and should calm your fears that Nomads are waiting with GPS in hand to destroy some prestine site that you think
nobody else should go to. This web site is primarily designed to answer travel questions about Baja... then to exchange travel stories... That's what
I enjoy doing here. If we were to honor some code of silence, then this would be a pretty boring site, you think?
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Sharksbaja
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No way Jose, I mean DK
My lord you sure are defensive.
David,
what the hell is this about :
"Many of these remote places where Mexicans live might possibly have an economic boon if visitors went there. Keeping a small village secret so only
you can enjoy it or only you could bring supplies to them to look like the big white hero is not doing them a favor".
You are so full of doo-doo. So is your rude inuendo.
You must be hallucinating or having a flash-back.
I am not JR, comprende?
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You are way off base David. Can't you postulate better than this.
You certainly don't know me or any of my motivations so don't pretend to. How dare you assume such barderdash.
Economic boon? Oh, like a coastal golf course, tire repair?? Put em all to work for you.
How can you make statements like:
"Naturally, if they requested their location not be published, that would be honored by me. I do not think a GPS waypoint on Baja Nomad (or anywhere
else) will magically bring hords of undesireble people in from Baja.net or anywhere else, as you said.
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" FYI... I do not publish waypoints to any place someone has shown me or given to me, if they requested I not. There are places shared me by friends
here and I did not provide the GPS... despite what you may have been told...
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So your answer to my original post is....... Yes, some places should remain unpublished.
You can't have your cake and eat it too David.
What are you saying? My request on the other post is not legit?
Are YOU in charge of what other Nomads do w/ their trip info?I never said anywhere that you did damage unto the land or ruins or?
Man, what has got into yer head? Slow down David.
You are reading between the lines here. Probably cause you weren't privy in the first go round.
Exactly who are "they" and what makes you think "they" would have any idea you,or anyone else for that matter, publicly posts GPS data on private
property for the public or private use of others unknown to them.
I must interject that your reasons for doing so are for others private or public use, are they not?
I don't think it's magic that brings in more & more folks.
It's better and better roads that brings Costco and Wal-Marts. Right Cabo?
Why do you think repetitive notions will not encourage others to follow? Isn't that what you are all about? A trailbrazing leader of sorts?
Thats' what you've instilled in me.
It's a shame you don't understand me better. Your evaluation could not be farther off.
When I conjured up this post, YOU were not part of it. You did that yourself.
It's folks as yourself pretending to be doing Mexicans a justice by bringing in what, people to by buy Margaritas and play golf.
You bet I am exaggerating as much as you are in denial thinking everyone wants you traversing their property and making (GPS)posts that thousands of
people may see.
Whats' boring is your profound stance as a person who "knows" what's good for the isolated Mexican people.
Most of all tho David..........you completely missed the point. Which was?
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