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Sharksbaja
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Stomach problems acquired in Baja
Big topic I think! I once saw my good buddy writhing in pain for days as he tried to fight off a serious "bug". He was sick as a dog.
I have had the usual "acclimation " scenario but never the full blown "Revenge" that can strike.
Is this still a problem for travelers or are they conscientious by drinking bottled or purified water thus preventing illness?
I wonder how many people get "whacked" these days?
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capt. mike
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drink plenty of tequila to cleanse the system!!
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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Skeet/Loreto
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In all my years in Baja , I found that overeating and drinking too much cause a lot of the problems.
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turtleandtoad
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I didn't run across any "Revenge" cases during my last trip but was also told that, except for a few locations, it's now more of a problem on the
mainland than in Baja.
I don't use bottled water in my RV but I do fill my tanks through a submicron bacteria filter and an activated charcoal filter.
I also eat off the push carts and taco stands, never had a problem (knock on wood).
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rpleger
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In my years in Muleg? I have found that just eating and drinking are cause for problems.
I also have found that now I have problems when I cross into the north.
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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eetdrt88
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wheres the bano???
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eetdrt88
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should've used a little more...
habanero sauce
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Al G
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Not me
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Big topic I think! I once saw my good buddy writhing in pain for days as he tried to fight off a serious "bug". He was sick as a dog.
I have had the usual "acclimation " scenario but never the full blown "Revenge" that can strike.
Is this still a problem for travelers or are they conscientious by drinking bottled or purified water thus preventing illness?
I wonder how many people get "whacked" these days? |
Sharksbaja'
My last two month+ long trips I drink the water except for coffee using bottled as I do here for taste.
I eat at all the street stands, cook with mexican meat, vegetables and anything I need.
I don't worry and have not had a problem.
I believe Baja has solved that problem.
Every trip (mainland) I made in the 70-80s I got sick.
Now I have a real fondness for Real Hacienda and thats another story.
Al G
[Edited on 9-14-2005 by Al G]
Albert G
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JZ
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Cipro should be in every first aid kit. It is the gold standard. Pick it up in a pharmacy in MX.
"Cipro is a prescription antibiotic effective against a broad range of bacteria. Cipro is prescribed for prostatitis, cystitis, bacterial infections
and infectious diarrhea..."
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turtleandtoad
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JZ
Your description mentions a prescription, is this required in Mexico?
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comitan
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OK my 2cents Cipro I think is overkill for for most infections from eating in unsanitary places. There is a medicine over the counter here called
TREDA
It will clear up most bowel infections including e -coli, my wife carries the tablets in her purse all the time It works 2 tablets a day for 3 days.
if you want to find out more just google it w/translate. Also its my opinion that some people come down here for a vacation believe in drinking beer
not water, then a day out fishing in the heat they get dehydrated=sick.
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comitan
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In Mexico you don't need a prescription for Cipro, but you better know how to use it. One clue prostatitis requires Cipro 1 a day for 21 days.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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JZ
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| Quote: | Originally posted by turtleandtoad
JZ
Your description mentions a prescription, is this required in Mexico? |
The pharmacy won't require you to have a prescription. Buying one bottle I think is okay. Buy a 6 month supply and you have an issue.
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osoflojo
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I have seen dehydration leading to more cases of the "trots" than the food and water. Especially during the warmer months. Of course the copious
amounts of alcohol that we consume would have little to do with dehydration, right?
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Sharksbaja
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Cipro
| Quote: | Originally posted by JZ
Cipro should be in every first aid kit. It is the gold standard. Pick it up in a pharmacy in MX.
"Cipro is a prescription antibiotic effective against a broad range of bacteria. Cipro is prescribed for prostatitis, cystitis, bacterial infections
and infectious diarrhea..." |
Cipro has become a drug of choice by many physicians these days in the U.S.
So many strains of infectious bacteria have become immune or tolerate typical penicillin treatments that Docs are perscribing alternate drugs more
& more.
This will backfire eventually too as the microbes adjust their genetic info to ignore the drug(s).
There is also reporting to CDC when using this powerful antibiotic to treat potential diseases like Salmonella.
The down side of a wide spectrum anti-biotic is the fact that it also kills off the beneficial bacteria in your body hence the necessity of
reintroducing acidophilus and other necessary probiotics after a treatment
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turtleandtoad
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Sharks, Comitan,
I think you're both right and plan on using Treda if I ever have a problem but I like to have some Cipro on hand for real emergencies. Being single I
don't have someone to run out and get medication if I get really ill.
The Federal Government provided me with some Cipro to carry with me before my last trip to Saudi Arabia so I'm familiar with it (never had to use it
though).
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Sharksbaja
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Treda: Neomycin sulfate combined with Caolin, a clay, is a great remediator of intestinal/bowel problems associated with bacterial infections or
inflammation. A similar product is used by my sister who lives in England to treat her inability to digest whey properly which is in most dairy
products.
Make sure you have no problems with reactions to antibiotics before use.
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Big topic I think! I once saw my good buddy writhing in pain for days as he tried to fight off a serious "bug". He was sick as a dog.
I have had the usual "acclimation? scenario but never the full blown "Revenge" that can strike.
Is this still a problem for travelers or are they conscientious by drinking bottled or purified water thus preventing illness?
I wonder how many people get "whacked" these days? |
Two friends got a dose of Shigellosis (see below) from a taco stand in (I think) Colnet (may have been San Vincente or Santa Tomas) in 2000, on our
way home. We picked the stand based on it being the one with a lot of truckers having lunch there....This must be the best one in town! We thought.
The four in our group all had 4 tacos each, and one person decided to order 3 more tacos for themselves. A new woman made them. He could only eat one
of them and asked, if anybody wanted the rest. Another friend ate the remaining two.
Two days later the guy who had the one taco had a mild to medium upset stomach with diarrhea. The guy who ate the 2 extras almost had to be
hospitalized due to dehydration and a fever of 104. His case was so bad that he even got a call from the CDC in Atlanta to determine where he got
infected and to make sure he did not work in the food service industry, which he does not. The mild case did not take antibiotics and was ok in a
week to 10 days. The bad case went on a full dose of antibiotics, lost a lot of weight and was not back to his old self for over a month.
As you can see from below Shigella is a fecal oral bacterium. Thus, they probably got it from the 2nd woman handling the tortillas or taco fillings
without washing her hands after depositing some diarrhea in the outhouse .
The one friend who got a mild case, only ate a few of the bacteria, while the friend who got it bad, must have consumed a bunch.
Thus even if you follow the rule of "don't drink the water", you still may get wacked.
| Quote: | Shigella is a genus of the bacterial family Enterobacteriaceae. Shigellae are Gram-negative, nonmotile, non-spore forming, rod-shaped bacteria, very
closely related to Escherichia coli.
Shigellosis is an infectious disease caused by various species of Shigella. People infected with Shigella develop diarrhea, fever, and stomach cramps
starting a day or two after they are exposed to the bacterium. The diarrhea is often bloody. Shigellosis usually resolves in 5 to 7 days, but in some
persons, especially young children and the elderly, the diarrhea can be so severe that the patient needs to be hospitalized. A severe infection with
high fever may also be associated with seizures in children less than 2 years old. Some persons who are infected may have no symptoms at all, but may
still transmit the Shigella bacteria to others.
Shigella are transmitted from an infected person to another who become infected. Shigella are present in the diarrheal stools of infected persons
while they are sick and for a week or two afterwards. Most Shigella infections are the result of the bacterium passing from stools or soiled fingers
of one person to the mouth of another person. This happens when basic hygiene and hand washing habits are inadequate. It is particularly likely to
occur among toddlers who are not fully toilet-trained. Family members and playmates of such children are at high risk of becoming infected. The spread
of Shigella from an infected person to other persons can be stopped by frequent and careful hand washing with soap, a practice that is important among
all age groups.
Part of the reason for the efficiency of transmission is because a very small inoculum (10 to 200 organisms) is sufficient to cause infection. As a
result, spread can easily occur by the fecal-oral route and occurs in areas where hygiene is poor. Epidemics may be foodborne or waterborne. Shigella
can also be transmitted by flies.
Shigella infections may be acquired from eating food that has become contaminated by infected food handlers. Vegetables can become contaminated if
they are harvested from a field with contaminated sewage or wherein infected field workers defecate. Flies can breed in infected feces and then
contaminate food. Shigella infections can also be acquired by drinking or swimming in contaminated water. Water may become contaminated if sewage runs
into it, or even if someone with shigellosis swims or bathes or, much less, defecates, in it. |
http://textbookofbacteriology.net/Shigella.html
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Cincodemayo
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Just get Colloidal silver and no problems ever. Just an eyedropper in the AM and PM will deter any intestinal problems. Have never been sick in Mexico
or Baja when using it. My oldest brother is a nurse and said he didn't need that stuff and he was sick for 2 weeks after getting home....no one using
it was sick at all.
Don\'t get mad...
Get EVEN.
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Sharksbaja
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Don't let the pharma corps hear that
I have read the benefits before... guess it's time to look closer. Good info Cinco.
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