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Bruce R Leech
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johnmaio we have people in trucks, planes, boats and on foot looking for any signs down here in Mulege. and we will let you know if we find anything.
Bruce R Leech
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johnmaio
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Bruce,
Thank you so much...can you think of any other places I can post or anything else I could do to be of assistance...
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Bedman
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Johnmaio,
My prayers for Gary and Peggy.
You might try David K's web site for a list of other Baja websites you can post inquireies.
Here's his web address. http://vivabaja.com/
Bedman
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QuePasaBaja
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Any of you math guys out there done any calculations to try and guess a distance that the plane could have traveled in x number of minutes. ??? Anyone
know the exact compass direction it was going???
Have a Baja Day
QuePasaBaja
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bajaguy
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I don't suppose.....did anyone contact US Border Patrol or US Customs for radar data, maybe Areostat information ....was US FAA or Mexican equivalent
contacted for any FAA type radar tapes available for viewing...would they know if the aircraft transponder (not the emergency beacon) was on and
working during flight, and where did it drop off???
Capt Mike...are you there....does this sound logical???
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johnmaio
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I will forward your information and suggestions...thanks...anyone else got any ideas?
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osoflojo
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Normally Aerostat info will not always penetrate that far south. Special Assets are necessary and not always in place. As far as Mexican authorities,
DGAC has been contacted and is on board.
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elchinero
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http://tracypress.com/content/view/5373/2/
A retired investor, living on a pension
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Summanus
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Confusing airplance departure info in this article .. for me, anyway. I thought the plane had left from Mulege's Serinadad strip on it's last
take-off? This article says La Paz airport. Maybe I missed something?
Tracy Press article content: "Toste said the plane, after taking off originally from the an airstrip near the Thomas’ vacation home in Mulege farther
north on the Baja Peninsula, had turned back in the face of a hurricane to return to La Paz, and not Cabo San Lucas, as reported earlier. Instead of
'remaining' at La Paz, however, the plane took off and headed north and has not been seen since."
Does anyone know for a fact what airstrip the plane was LAST at? While I feel like this may be like grasping at straws, sometimes the obvious eludes
us. Buena suerte, pilotos.
Summanus....ancient Roman Nightly Thunder God. He liked refrieds too.
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capt. mike
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as usual the press screws up reporting facts - and with small planes they are notorious with getting things wrong.
They left Serenidad. refer to the BBP site for the best facts source.
baja flying is remote, the services you routinely reley on stateside do not exist in baja and much of mexico below 18,000 ft and when operating under
VFR.
you are on your own except when you can talk to other pilots in the air.
it remains a big adventure in the 21st century. that's why so many of us are hooked on it.
Its you, your equipment and your wits and talent against the odds. sometimes the odds win, and you lose.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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Summanus
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Thanks for that update, capt. mike...I will rely on BBP, the real pros with Baja experience.
Summanus....ancient Roman Nightly Thunder God. He liked refrieds too.
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capt. mike
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latest search effort via the BBP -
"We are set regarding aircraft. We presently have about 12 aircraft (listed below) who indicate - 10/30/2006
November 8, 2006
We are set regarding aircraft. We presently have about 12 aircraft (listed below) who indicate they will be in Mulege Sunday evening to be part of
the search. The need we have now is for one helicopter to look at anything that is spotted.
If we need more fixed wing aircraft, I will do another alert:
Aircraft that will be assigned search grids and will be in Mulege on Sunday are:
Baja 2, Chandler
Baja 3, Stovell
Baja 4, Watson
Baja 5, Hoffman
Baja 6, La China
Baja 7, Van Kirk
Baja 8, Bardon
Baja 9, Koff
Baja 10, Petrie
Baja 11, Gilmore
Baja 12, Decanio
We have several others that have indicated that whey will be in the area and will check in. I can be reached at either the Hotel Serenidad or on my
SatPhone via my office in Chandler.
God speed you guys, make it a safe week. good luck and hope something is found.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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BajaNews
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Baja search for plane to resume
http://tracypress.com/content/view/5499/2/
After two weeks of searching for former Tracy residents without luck, a new search will be underway.
08 November 2006
The search in Baja California for a missing plane carrying former Tracy residents Gary and Peggy Toste Thomas was suspended without any results over
the past weekend — two weeks after the plane disappeared.
A new search, however, is scheduled to begin Monday.
Jack McCormick, administrator of Baja Bush Pilots, informed members by e-mail Tuesday that no sign of the single-engine Bonanza, missing since Oct. 23
on a homeward flight during a hurricane, has been found.
He added that a new search will be launched next week and continue for five days, until Nov. 17.
Twelve private planes flown by members of the Baja Bush Pilots have been lined up for the new search, McCormick reported. A helicopter is also being
sought to search areas needing closer inspection.
The search will be centered over land, beaches and water of the Gulf of California north of Mulege on the Baja Peninsula, where the Thomases, former
Tracy residents now living in Escalon, originally took off during Hurricane Paul.
“This is a tough search because of the odds,” McCormick told fellow Baja Bush Pilots. “However, it must be done.”
A spokesman at the U.S. Coast Guard’s Rescue Coordination Center in Alameda reported that the center is providing support for communications and
coordination between U.S. and Mexican officials, but no U.S. Coast Guard aircraft have been involved in the search.
The Baja Bush Pilots had originally believed Coast Guard planes had joined the search.
Tracy resident Joe Toste, Peggy Thomas’ father, said the family is still holding out hope that something can be found, but each passing day diminishes
that hope. He said the family is helping defray hotel room, meal and fuel expenses of the bush pilots.
Toste added that several Tracy residents also are providing financial support for the search, including Eric and Buddy Hayes, Ron Yerian, Steve
Espinoza, Jeff Pelletier, Greg Stroup and the Albert Bogetti family.
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johnmaio
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SEARCH FOR PEGGY AND GARY!!!!!!!!
The search area is n the Palo Verde area just north of Mulege. This is the area of the last transmission from the lost aircraft.
I have been asked by Peggy’s family to post on this board.
Currently Peggy and Gary Thomas's family is in Northern California, trying to coordinate search and rescue. We are very lucky to have Don and Jack
helping us in Mexico.
Searching for Peggy and Gary is obviously hard and takes resources, both money and volunteers.
MONEY IS NOT AN ISSUE. WE NEED YOUR HELP
more information can be found at http://www.bajabush.com/
If this is not done as a grass roots effort I am afraid we will loose them.
Please contact us if you are willing to help, have any suggestions, or if you can point us in the right direction. Your input no matter how
insignificant it may seem could be what saves them. Please get and stay involved and pass the word around to any and all that might be of any
assistance.
Here is contact information...please call at any time
Rod Toste
209 481 9386
Or you can simply post information on this board, which we will be monitored continually.
For those of you who know Gary and Peggy, you know they would be the first to get involved if the shoe was on the other foot. Please help us find our
family.
Thank you.
[Edited on 11-9-2006 by johnmaio]
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capt. mike
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12 planes begin another COORDINATED, ORGANIZED search starting this monday as BBP member planes arrive in Mulege Sunday.
Additionally 11 other different planes are headed to the Serenidad friday with the flying sams. They will all be looking if/as any of them pass the
areas Gary was thought to be navigating north.
Much of the north route has been canvassed pretty well by now though. If by chance they went down in a rugged area that is not easy to spot into from
the air, maybe hikers, 4 wheelers, racers, bikers etc. could eventually spot the wreckage (assuming).
At this juncture it makes some sense alternatively that they might have ditched either controlled or uncontrolled .
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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Bruce R Leech
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for those of us using off rode vehicles to search her are some tips that I find useful.
1 when driving a off rode trail stop every so often at a god vantage point and use binoculars to do a search of the surrounding countryside.
2 Cary a GPS and map and mark off the areas you feel you have searched well. also if you find anything mark it with the GPS.
3 If you are in a grope use walkie talkers to communicate with others in your grope.
please add other suggestions to this list. I am new to search and rescue so I can use some pointers.
Bruce R Leech
Ensenada
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capt. mike
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new details at BBP.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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johnmaio
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REWARD UPDATE INFORMATION FOR GARY AND PEGGY
AT THIS TIME IT IS THOUGHT THAT OFFERING A REWARD WILL ONLY COMPLICATE THE SEARCH EFFORT COORDINATED BY THE BAJA BUSH PILOTS.
PLEASE STAY TUNED...IF THERE IS ANY UPDATED INFORMATION REGARDING THE SEARCH OR A REWARD IT WILL BE POSTED HERE.
TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PLEASE GO TO WWW.BAJABUSH.COM
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johnmaio
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REWARD UPDATE PLEASE READ
AT THIS TIME IT IS THOUGHT THAT OFFERING A REWARD WILL ONLY COMPLICATE THE SEARCH EFFORT COORDINATED BY THE BAJA BUSH PILOTS.
PLEASE STAY TUNED...IF THERE IS ANY UPDATED INFORMATION REGARDING THE SEARCH OR A REWARD IT WILL BE POSTED HERE.
TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PLEASE GO TO WWW.BAJABUSH.COM
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Bajalero
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Mike / John
A couple of things come into my mind that should be considered.
If they went down over water shortly after takeoff ,any floating debris could have been pushed into Conception bay by now and washed up on shore. Has
any one thought of organizing some beachcombing along the bays shore by truck or boat ?
Another thought is that the canyons just east of P.V. are fairly extensive . Many have near vertical structures and a thick cover of palo blanco that
could easily obscure any sighting from the air. If they went into one of these canyons , the best source for info would be the vaqueros that run the
cows around out there. Hiking or horseback or perhaps a helo are what it would take to discover anything in this area.
Also , some other questions.
Has anyone created some sort of time line on paper so possible distances traveled can be calculated?
Does anyone know How much fuel they had to start. Did they have so little they had to go to Loreto to fuel(unlikely but it happens)before continuing
north . Where was the last stop before Mulege. What went on there? Did they take on fuel?
Were they headed to Guerrero or San Felipe?
[Edited on 11-9-2006 by Bajalero]
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