| Pages:
1
2
3
..
6 |
safarigirl
Junior Nomad
Posts: 33
Registered: 8-9-2006
Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico
Member Is Offline
Mood: Outstanding
|
|
San Ignacio Lagoon
I've been going to San Ignacio Lagoon for a many years, and now that I live in the Southwest and am not able to visit Baja as much as I'd like to, I
realize how important it is to me that the Lagoon is protected. In fact, I'd like to do something about it - and I don't mean just throw money at it.
Does anyone have a suggestion of who might be best to contact about what I can do? Whether it's work at one of the places on the Lagoon when the
whales are there, or......? Any input greatly appreciated.
|
|
|
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64634
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Online
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
What do want to protect the lagoon from?
|
|
|
safarigirl
Junior Nomad
Posts: 33
Registered: 8-9-2006
Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico
Member Is Offline
Mood: Outstanding
|
|
You've been going to Baja as long as I perhaps (25 years), to ask a rhetorical question. So, I'm sure you are aware that a few years ago the NRDC and
Serge Dedina's Wild Coast, among others were successful in postponing the Mexican government and Mitsubishi from establishing a salt plant in the
Lagoon. Since you've experienced the grey whales in the Lagoon I'm sure you are aware that it is a very special place, and perhaps you, like me want
it to remain a natural place where the whales can continue to bear their young.
|
|
|
woody with a view
PITA Nomad
Posts: 15938
Registered: 11-8-2004
Location: Looking at the Coronado Islands
Member Is Offline
Mood: Everchangin'
|
|
ask wildcoast what you can do.....we all just wanna surf....well maybe not all....
|
|
|
DianaT
Select Nomad
Posts: 10020
Registered: 12-17-2004
Member Is Offline
|
|
San Ignacio Lagoon is special. When we were there last year, the owner of the small hotel where we stayed said that they were going to pave that
road---1/2 this year and 1/2 next year. He was not happy about it as he knows it will change everything.
We were lucky last year as they must have just graded the road when we drove out----smooth riding.
Does anyone know if they started the paving or if it is or is not going to happen?
Diane and John
|
|
|
baja Steve
Nomad
Posts: 469
Registered: 8-31-2003
Location: Bend, or
Member Is Offline
|
|
I work with a group that works with the remote schools in BCS. We believe that the best way to help and to protect the special areas of Baja is
through education. We also have been hearing for several years that the road from San Ignacio to the Laguna and on to San Juanico was going to be
paved some time, the last year or so it seems to have been brought to the top of the list due to the increased amount of truck traffic on Hy1 and the
amount travel time it would save.
We have been working with the schools in Laguna San Ignacio and San Pedro for many years getting better educational materials and help with satellite
education. Anything you can do to get educational material and yourself to the kids and teachers to teach them about saving the area they live in
would be a way better in my mind then giving to some organization that you really do not know where the money is going for sure.
|
|
|
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64634
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Online
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by safarigirl
You've been going to Baja as long as I perhaps (25 years), to ask a rhetorical question. So, I'm sure you are aware that a few years ago the NRDC and
Serge Dedina's Wild Coast, among others were successful in postponing the Mexican government and Mitsubishi from establishing a salt plant in the
Lagoon. Since you've experienced the grey whales in the Lagoon I'm sure you are aware that it is a very special place, and perhaps you, like me want
it to remain a natural place where the whales can continue to bear their young. |
I just asked what do YOU want to protect the lagoon from...
The San Ignacio salt mine project was defeated... more so for the 5 mile long pier at Abreojos and local objections I think than any other reason...
Afterall, salt works at Scammon's Lagoon has been going on for almost 50 years, and the whales have not been detered from having their young there.
Do you think that the people who own the land (Mexico) can't deal with these issues without gringos getting involved?
Again... just want to hear your reasons so I and others may learn something, perhaps...
Thank you for your time!
|
|
|
safarigirl
Junior Nomad
Posts: 33
Registered: 8-9-2006
Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico
Member Is Offline
Mood: Outstanding
|
|
I think you're confusing me with someone else...you're assumptions don't apply to me I'm not a gringa and don't think the way you seem to assume I do.
|
|
|
bajajudy
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6886
Registered: 10-4-2004
Location: San Jose del Cabo,BCS
Member Is Offline
|
|
This might help
go to my website, then links, then nature and conservation and you will find a list of several organizations active in preservation of Baja.
|
|
|
toneart
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4901
Registered: 7-23-2006
Member Is Offline
Mood: Skeptical
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by safarigirl
I think you're confusing me with someone else...you're assumptions don't apply to me I'm not a gringa and don't think the way you seem to assume I do.
|
There are a lot of helpful people on this board. Also, as you may know, there are detractors when the topic has anything to do with the environment.
If you should encounter one of the detractors, keep searching and stay in The Light. You will find a fit that is right for you.
Last April I flew over to San Ignacio Lagoon from Mulege. The pilot of the Cessna was sensitive enough to know not to fly out over the water.
I support you and what you are trying to do.
|
|
|
bajajudy
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6886
Registered: 10-4-2004
Location: San Jose del Cabo,BCS
Member Is Offline
|
|
Here is some info more specific. You can still check out the other orgs on my site
http://www.wildcoast.net/site/index.php?option=com_content&a...
|
|
|
Barry A.
Select Nomad
Posts: 10007
Registered: 11-30-2003
Location: Redding, Northern CA
Member Is Offline
Mood: optimistic
|
|
Safari girl-------Now I am REALLY confused------you apparently are a Citizen of Mexico, (you say you are not a Gringa) but you have not revealed what
you want to protect San Ignacio Lagoon FROM. I too am curious, interested, and would like to know if you know any specific reasons that San Ignacio
Lagoon needs protection. If so, I might be inclined to get involved also.
|
|
|
capt. mike
Elite Nomad
Posts: 8085
Registered: 11-26-2002
Location: Bat Cave
Member Is Offline
Mood: Sling time!
|
|
| Quote: |
Last April I flew over to San Ignacio Lagoon from Mulege. The pilot of the Cessna was sensitive enough to know not to fly out over the water
|
actually it is illegal to do that. and the pilot surely may be respective of the whale's peace - but if you're going to fly in baja, just like in the
USA, you have to know the airspace and rules. that area has a protection barrier horiz and vert you cannot legally penetrate. if caught there are
serious consequences. and mex bio-life agents have binocs to tag your number or might drive over to chat if you park after a buzz job.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
www.facebook.com/michael.l.goering |
|
|
Barry A.
Select Nomad
Posts: 10007
Registered: 11-30-2003
Location: Redding, Northern CA
Member Is Offline
Mood: optimistic
|
|
Capt. Mike-------------
That is really interesting----it seems there is always more to the story than first meets the eye. I was not aware of that closed (restricted?)
airspace---an example of how Mexico IS protecting the whale habitat from disturbing influences, and I applaud that.
Since SafariGirl has nor responded lately, I must assume that she has alas, "moved on". With her apparent lack of tenacity, and unwillingness to
explain what she wants to do, I have some doubts that she will be an effective deterent to those forces that she believes may threaten the San Ignacio
Lagoon.
I am disappointed that she was deterred so easily------but that is the way things go, I guess. I was hoping to learn something from her, like I did
from you.
Thanks for the info, Capt. Mike.
Barry
|
|
|
805gregg
Super Nomad
Posts: 1344
Registered: 5-21-2006
Location: Ojai, Ca
Member Is Offline
|
|
They should protect the Lagoon from all the tourists that want to touch or even kiss the poor whales, just leave them in peace.
|
|
|
Barry A.
Select Nomad
Posts: 10007
Registered: 11-30-2003
Location: Redding, Northern CA
Member Is Offline
Mood: optimistic
|
|
805Greg------
It has been my experience that many of the whales appear to enjoy the interaction if not too aggressive. But your right in that the visits by us'uns
should be limited and controlled, I think.
|
|
|
shari
Select Nomad
Posts: 13039
Registered: 3-10-2006
Location: bahia asuncion, baja sur
Member Is Offline
Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
|
|
Capt. Mike is right...the lagoons are a NO FLY zone...and I am happy to have had a small hand in that...when I was doing research, I witnessed the
horror of what happens when planes buzz whales...because they can't figure out where the noise is coming from (they can when the engines are in the
water), they dive straight to down to avoid being hit by a "ship"...when they have their calves as in the lagoon, they take their calves down...only
problem in newborn calves don't have a very big lunga capacity and cannot hold their breath for long...so they can drown when avioding planes...nasty
truth...so if your pilots want to show you whales below a 1,000'....just say NO! Just a note, the san ignacio salt project is not cancelled....just
postponed (politically).
|
|
|
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64634
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Online
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by safarigirl
I think you're confusing me with someone else...you're assumptions don't apply to me I'm not a gringa and don't think the way you seem to assume I do.
|
Safarigirl... I am not assuming anything beyond what you posted... You said this: "I've been going to San Ignacio Lagoon for a many years, and now
that I live in the Southwest and am not able to visit Baja as much as I'd like to..."
That sounds like you live in the (U.S.) Southwest... I also don't presume how you think, but your avoiding the simple question is curious. All I asked
is WHAT do you want to protect the whales from and wondered why you think Mexico is unable to do the job or that a foreign organization is somehow
better?
Just tell the truth and be proud of what you are doing or want to do. I am not in judgement of you... I only want to have the complete details so I
can make a sound decision to support your cause or not.
In the past, I heard of foreign ('gringo') groups pretend to want to protect the whales or natural habitat. Instead money raised goes mostly into
their pockets or politicians pockets.
I do respect Shari of Bahia Asuncion as a person who knows what is going on.
Thanks Shari for the note that the salt project is only postponed.
Shari, since the salt works at Scammon's Lagoon doesn't seem to prevent whales from breeding there, what (in your opinion) harm (if any) would an even
more modern salt project on the salt flats above San Ignacio Lagoon have on the whales there?
Thanks for the information...
|
|
|
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64634
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Online
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
They should protect the Lagoon from all the tourists that want to touch or even kiss the poor whales, just leave them in peace.
|
The whales are far bigger than we are and can do what they want... If you watch the videos of the whale watchers, they simply go to a spot and wait
there. The whales come to the people... even pushing their young close to have contact with the humans.
It is quite clear that the whales WANT to interact with the humans, so why deny them the pleasure? Isn't showing friendship between humans and animals
good in your opinion?
Kiss a whale? Not sure about that, but it would make a great bumper sticker!
|
|
|
safarigirl
Junior Nomad
Posts: 33
Registered: 8-9-2006
Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico
Member Is Offline
Mood: Outstanding
|
|
Thanks, BajaJudy, I appreciate your input.
And, Tony good to hear from you again after Mulege' - guess you're almost on your way back down for the winter.
To the couple of you with the derogatory responses, sorry for my tardiness in responding; been working 24 hours straight and just got access to a
computer again. Didn't realize there was a strict timeframe....warm regards to you both.
|
|
|
| Pages:
1
2
3
..
6 |
![[*]](images/xmbforum/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
