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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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Back from DF:applying for mexican citizenship
we're baaaack amigos from a grueling week long trip from San Jose del Cabo to DF and back. Our WONDERFUL agent Alonso from La Paz arranged everything
for us and a very competent specialist lawyer in DF took care of all the details. He will pick you up at the airport, do everything, put you up at his
home and it's a piece of cake. I highly recommend this team for anyone wanting to become a citizen here. Een though I used to be one to do all this
paperwork by myself, I now realize it is very difficult, nearly impossible to get all the details correct without an agent. I have been converted.
Anyone wanting detailed info on this can U2U me. We are gonna have a huge fiesta if it all works out well! Missed you all terribly and had withdrawl
headaches.
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sancho
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Excuse this post if you find
it nosey, what are the benefits
positives about becoming a
cetizen of Mexico? I think I'm
correct in saying Mexican
citizens who become US Citizens
can retain their Mexican Citizenship
status, thus becoming duel citizens,
would that apply in reverse?
ran into a couple yrs ago in Mulege,
who ,close to the birth of a child
went to Ensenada, where their
son was born in the Ensenada
Hospital, thus having rights
to Mex citizenship, with the
idea of owning land,
again hope this is not
offensive
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oldhippie
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"However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law
requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship."
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html
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gnukid
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jajajaja the threat of loss of US citizenship is not enforceable for those who are in fact born in the US even though it's written as such, read 'does
not happen'. Though, how can one really be completely committed to two countries, or three or four...! Thus the idea of dual citizenship is really a
misnomer, its more like multiple separate citizenship.
Viva la Mexico viva la mexico viva la mexico!
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bacquito
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
"However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law
requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship."
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html |
I have a friend who is preparing to take his test to become a Mexican citizen and my question was his status as a USA citizen. I think the above quote
clears the matter up. I'll stick with FM3 status.
bacquito
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Sharksbaja
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But she is(was?) Canadian
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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Eli
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Profundamente Te felicita Sheri, on your choice and the direction you are taking. I hope all continues to run smooth for you in your naturalizations
processing. It was a little bumpy for me, Relacion Exteriors moved from one building to another during my processing, and there was one point where I
think they misplaced my paperwork. I am pretty sure I used a different Lawyer in Mexico City, I applied in Feb. of 06 and my citizenship document was
signed by relación exteriores in Sept of 06, although I did not do my final signing and receive the documents until January of 07. I did a little
sweating between October and December, when they finally found my paper work.
For one whose principal family members are Mexican citizens and whose life is here, the reason to naturalize is simply the security that the
government can’t kick you out, separating you from your loved ones or deport you for your life style or form of livelihood. For me, the right to an
opinion and not have to report my life style changes to immigration was a motivating factor.
For example, I had no interest in the political struggles of Oaxaca last year, nothing to do with either side, but until I received my citizenship, I
was concerned that by simply being in the city during it’s time of political strife, I was at risk for deportation. Owning land and voting are
secondary reasons that don’t really personally concern me, but I know a lot of people whose primary motive was to own their properties and business in
Baja without concern of lose.
There has always been a controversy in regard to giving up one’s U.S. citizenship in order to naturalize here in Mexico. I know a fairly large
community of people who have taken this step, no one who has, has yet been asked to give up their U.S. passports, they travel freely between the two
countries, producing the U.S. passport going North and the Mexican Passport going South. For me, I have no intention of returning North of the
boarder for more than a visit anyway, so again, I would be o.k. with the sacrifice if I had to.
I think it is GREAT to be a dual citizen, if you plan to live your life here, it provides a sense of freedom beyond belief, I am so relieved that I
did it!
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
"However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law
requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S.
citizenship."
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html |
You really, really, really have to try hard to lose U.S. citizenship. I've held dual citizenship for over 30
years. This year I received Polish citizenship and I plan on doing exactly what Shari has done.
You can only lose U.S. citizenship by renouncing it and if you don't owe Uncle Sammy any money. 
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bajalou
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bacquito
| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
"However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law
requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship."
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html |
I have a friend who is preparing to take his test to become a Mexican citizen and my question was his status as a USA citizen. I think the above quote
clears the matter up. I'll stick with FM3 status. |
Key words here are "with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship."
Without that intention, US citizenship is retained.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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elizabeth
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
"However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law
requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S.
citizenship."
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html |
You really, really, really have to try hard to lose U.S. citizenship. I've held dual citizenship for over 30
years. This year I received Polish citizenship and I plan on doing exactly what Shari has done.
You can only lose U.S. citizenship by renouncing it and if you don't owe Uncle Sammy any money. |
There is a legal presumption that you intend to retain your US citizenship when you also become a citizen of another country. In order to lose US
citizenship upon becoming a citizen of another country, you must INTEND to give up your US citizenship.
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rob
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Baquito, I am happy that oldhippies post (that guy can find ANYTHING) allowed you to make a decision, but the quote itself needs to be read with care.
Becoming a citizen of another country does not, in and of itself, constitute any threat to your U.S. citizenship whatsoever.
To "lose U.S. citizenship" you have to complete a legal TWO-STAGE PROCESS (per the State Dept):
- you have to freely apply for foreign citizenship
- you have to ACTIVELY AND FORMALLY RENOUNCE YOUR U.S. CITIZENSHIP.
Now this last step is not one achieved by initialing the wrong box on a form - it is a serious process requiring multiple forms (which I remember from
law school), and is purposely made difficult for obvious reasons.
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elizabeth
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Maybe these two quotes from the Department of State website will clarify!
"The Department has a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that U.S. citizens intend to retain United States citizenship
when they obtain naturalization in a foreign state, subscribe to routine declarations of allegiance to a foreign state, or accept non-policy level
employment with a foreign government."
"When, as the result of an individual's inquiry or an individual's application for registration or a passport it comes to the attention of a U.S.
consular officer that a U.S. citizen has performed an act made potentially expatriating by Sections 349(a)(1), 349(a)(2), 349(a)(3) or 349(a)(4), the
consular officer will simply ask the applicant if there was intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship when performing the act. If the answer is no, the
consular officer will certify that it was not the person's intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship and, consequently, find that the person has retained
U.S. citizenship."
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shari
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Muchas gracias Eli...I am really excited about finally legally being mexican as I have felt and lived like a mexicana for many years now and have my
life here...family, home and amigos. while there are seious problems here, this culture has taught me so much about being humble, polite, carefree,
(not sweating the small stuff), formal, fun loving etc. etc...i am happy here and don't plan on living in canada again. So can you come to the party?
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oldhippie
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Thanks Elizabeth, I was wondering how they determine intent. I don't intend on living in the US again and thought that might cause problems with Tio
Sam.
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gnukid
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Is it generally required that if you are a US citizen you must file annual fed and state tax forms regardless and if you are a mexican citizen you
must file taxes regardless of income as well?
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Sharksbaja
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Good for you Shari. Hope you enjoy many many years in Mexico. You think they have problems there.....hoo...wee, not like the in good ol US in A.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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Eli
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Shari,
I know, I totally understand where you are coming from, You are now a part of where you are. And, you have to much at stake not to make this final
step. Did the lawyer give you any ideal how long before the final signing? I know that in the past; 8 months to year was not out of line.
Thanks, I am honored for the invite to celebrate when it finally comes thu. We shall see when the time comes if I visit your place more than just in
cyber space, I have logged on to your web site, which by the way, I always find to be a delight. I think if I were to head North of La Paz, the first
place I would hit would be Coyote Bay, San Ignascio next and than up to Bahia Asuncion and back South again.
I expect that Bernie was the last person to get a glimps of me in the North and that was a few years ago as me and the Ol Man were high tailing it
back home to Los Barriles. It is so much more my nature to head South than North.
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tehag
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Cit
Shari:
Care to divulge the cost?
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rhintransit
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not to be picky here, but I think that Shari is Canadian applying for citizenship in Mexico. the USA/Mexico or other country dual citizenship
questions are very timely and educational but, out of curiosity, Shari or other citizens of the further north Americas, what is the Canadian stance on
dual citizenship?
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
we're baaaack amigos from a grueling week long trip from San Jose del Cabo to DF and back. Our WONDERFUL agent Alonso from La Paz arranged everything
for us and a very competent specialist lawyer in DF took care of all the details. |
Sharri,
What is DF ?
CaboRon
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