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Don Alley
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Wi-Fi Banditos of Loreto
Just got this tonight:
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To All Foreigners:
The Tourism Office is letting you know that there has been detected several foreign people that are providing an internet service (WiFi) and various
points of the municipality. I just want to let you know that this is very serious because you are BREAKING THE MEXICAN LAW!
1. Invading the Mexican communication system.
2. You are providing a service without being registered with the Federal and Municipal Hacienda System.
3. You are not paying taxes.
4. You are using the Federal Communication System without a having a Permit.
5. You are violating Immigration regulations.
Please do not try to have this type of business OR ACQUIRE THIS SERVICE, so you will not get in trouble.
PLEASE RESPECT OUR LAWS.
Jesus Jacques, Director of Tourism
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Hook
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And you are pi$$ing off Carlos Slim.
[Edited on 12-15-2007 by Hook]
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
Just got this tonight:
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To All Foreigners:
The Tourism Office is letting you know that there has been detected several foreign people that are providing an internet service (WiFi) and various
points of the municipality. I just want to let you know that this is very serious because you are BREAKING THE MEXICAN LAW!
1. Invading the Mexican communication system.
2. You are providing a service without being registered with the Federal and Municipal Hacienda System.
3. You are not paying taxes.
4. You are using the Federal Communication System without a having a Permit.
5. You are violating Immigration regulations.
Please do not try to have this type of business OR ACQUIRE THIS SERVICE, so you will not get in trouble.
PLEASE RESPECT OUR LAWS.
Jesus Jacques, Director of Tourism
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Only that we want to stop the liars now. I think its ______ _____. And that he knows that to make an accusation is a serious international problem
that now we have to investigate him. And either the thieves or he is lying, I hope that he understands the severity of his comments which could end
with him in jail for his offenses.
Maybe we are going to ask to investigate more about him to understand his threat to touristas?
[Edited on 12-15-2007 by gnukid]
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Al G
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If you are going to do this (investigate) teach us how.
Don't know why this bothers me, but after all their petty crimes against gringos...(we know Carlos slims is behind it) they want to say something
about this pettiness???
There is no reasonable morality against sharing...
Albert G
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The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Woooosh
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My Telnor DSL service came with a wireless router built in. I'm sure people on the street could pick up the signal if they tried. If Senor Slim is
concerned about WiFi, then why does he pass out the equipment- and for free no less.
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gnukid
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For Jean Jaques to make such an accusation and at Christmas no less is incredibly inappropriate and wrong. His message was forwarded to the attorney
general and to the Mexico City secretary of Tourism to investigate the intent of his threatening letter and he will be reprimanded for his actions. He
should apologize immediately.
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Russ
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If this guy is that bored he has to spend man hours having the Dept. of Tourism investigate WiFi poachers they could do a service to all tourist by
"investigating" the toll road bandits or illegal commercial fishing. This guy needs a job more suited to his abilities. Like selling pencils in front
of the bank.
[Edited on 12-15-2007 by Russ]
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
For Jean Jaques to make such an accusation and at Christmas no less is incredibly inappropriate and wrong. His message was forwarded to the attorney
general and to the Mexico City secretary of Tourism to investigate the intent of his threatening letter and he will be reprimanded for his actions. He
should apologize immediately. |
He's already shaking in his boots.
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vandenberg
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And further, to Jesus's defense, he's one of the nicest guys,who has anything to do with the government, you'll find in Loreto. And I think he has
gringos welfare in mind. Maybe some complaint from internet cafes?... who knows.
My neigbor could pick up my signal, but I don't believe that's the kind of infraction he's talking about.
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Don Alley
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First of all, chill out, drama queens (gnukid). Prof Jaques is a friend of the expat community and just passes these things along to the locals as a
service; it's coming from someone else. This is not Tijuana; if the authorities have a problem they let us know (in this case through Prof Jaques) not
by some heavy handed arrests or busts.
Perhaps some foreigners are sharing DSL through a wireless network, and only paying for one account? Such an activity has been discussed on this
forum. And that could easily be a violation of law. When we get a chance we'll ask for a clarification on just what limitations our wi-fi signals
should have. In the meantime, we are not connecting our neighbors up to Telmex/Prodigy internet access so we won't get in a tizzy.
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rob
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I believe Don's right.
This is the same (righteous) beef the locals have with house rentals fully transacted in the States - it circumvents the local tax system and
undercuts those local landlords who have to pay taxes.
I think this has very little to do with our friend Sr. Slim.
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Phil S
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gnukid??????????????????/ What are you smoking right now??? I read that message directly to MY computer and didn't read anything RUDE into it.
What's with you?????? All Don Alley did was paste OUR message we received onto the Baja Forum. It wasn't direct to you or the general public. It was
directed to the Loretanans who are on the website. I read it as being a message to "those" who must have a 'system' that hasn't been approved by the
mexican gov't.
Why you would read anything else amazes me.
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capn.sharky
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I DON'T GET IT---I believe its against the law here and Mexico too. I would prefer to be warned about something first. I don't see any reason to
attack Jacques. Its their country and their laws and we should abide by them when visiting Mexico. Now---go ahead and flame me...I don't care.
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losfrailes
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FLAME! FLAME! FLAME!
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rhintransit
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so other than the flames and guesses re Jaques' and Carlos' motives and all the unsubstantiated stuff, what does the letter mean? is it illegal to
use wifi? is it illegal to use Hughes net? as opposed to say Telmex? is it illegal to pick up someone's signal and transmit if one doesn't pay for
it? illegal if one does? or is only the person selling or perceived to be selling commiting this 'serious' crime? (would be nice if the serious
crime against tourists elsewhere were addressed but I don't want to go down that hijack road) can a tourist/FM3 bring in a satellitle internet
system and use it for his/her own computer? let a friend come over and get on line? this is so weird and the letter so dramatic. anyone know what
is really up? Lynn Hammon, who passed the letter on to the community...any ideas? did Jaques say anything or just produce the letter to be
dissemnated? has this happened anywhere else?
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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Loretana
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Professor Jacques
Don is absolutely right.
Let's just climb down off Professor Jacques' back and let the truth be known.
Some expat members of our community do as they please in regards to Mexican law, specifically; taxes due to Hacienda for luxury home rentals.
Other folks have decided to thumb their noses at the government in relation to dissemination of WiFi signals. If it was just a thing between
neighbors, it would be harmless, but it has gone beyond that. Someone is profiting, and not doing it legally.
In light of the fact that LB's management is ignoring their tax bill to the Municipal government, and that there is a new regime coming into office, I
can understand why this respected individual would inform his many friends and admirers in Loreto.
It's Navidad, amigos, let's cooperate and avoid an escandalo.
IMHO. 
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
-Nikola Tesla
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Paula
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{b]Gnukid,
I hope you will accept the word of the other Loretans who have posted here in support of Prof. Jacques. He is a kind and helpful local official,
everyone respects him, and there was no threat made or intended in the announcement he made by e-mail to people in Loreto.
edit for grammar
2nd edit-- it was a rude post, so I deleted the offensive part
[Edited on 12-15-2007 by Paula]
[Edited on 12-16-2007 by Paula]
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rob
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Rhintransit - it is NOT illegal to use WiFi . . obviously - it's all over the place.
It may well be an infraccion (love that word) of the DSL (Telmex) Terms of Service to allow others to piggyback (Point 1 of el Director's remarks).
His Points 2,3,5 can get you deported - IF you are providing the above piggybacking as a revenue-making service without appropriate RFC, work permit
etc.
Point 4. It IS illegal to transmit on Mexican airwaves without a proper permit (e.g SSB, ham) and yes, satellite transmissions (uploads only) are thus
technically illegal as they are not licensed by the government (I got this last from a lawyer friend in SCT, and an expert on radio and wireless
transmission licensing).
The warning (it appears to me) is not an attack, but a heads-up to those who may be unaware that their actions are making them vulnerable.
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DENNIS
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OK...Sorry for butting in to a local, Loreto, issue but, it brings back memories of the 70s in Ensenada when those humongous TV dishes were first
appearing, brought down in pieces from the states. It only took a little while before city, state, federal [who knows] functionarys were knocking
on Gringo doors demanding that a permit was necessary. Some people actually paid for a permit. Most people told them to get off the property and the
issue died of its own BS weight.
If you folks keep making a stink about this, it might develop into an issue you don't want to deal with. It will probably go away on its own if you
let it.
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rob
Rhintransit - it is NOT illegal to use WiFi . . obviously - it's all over the place.
It may well be an infraccion (love that word) of the DSL (Telmex) Terms of Service to allow others to piggyback (Point 1 of el Director's remarks).
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OK, this is the kind of thing that I wonder about.
My signal does reach beyond my property, and I believe that over a year ago someone else was accessing my wi-fi signal. No more; but how does one
determine if I "allowed" that?
I could password protect my wi-fi connection, but I don't know how yet. My desktop and Paula's laptop, no problem, but my Apple Airport stereo
connection complicates that. Could that be required? Who is responsible for unauthorized use of Temex's DSL? The broadcaster or the furtive
piggybacker?
So I do wonder (perhaps I'm being paranoid) that by simply broadcasting a wi-fi signal that could be intercepted, could I have a problem? While my
signal does reach the nearby street and probably at least one neighbor, it does not reach my guest casita and I have thought of boosting the signal.
Then I'd propably reach half the block. Permissable?
I did find it odd that the release was addressed to the foreign community; I was unaware that this problem was widespread and/or specific to foreign
residents. I did wonder if others here might have had some knowledge or experience with rules and procedures relating to wi-fi broadcasting in Mexico,
hence my original post.
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