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CasaManzana
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UPDATE TO EARLIER POST- "New scam at Santa Rosalia Migration Office" story
I did a Nomad posting about two weeks ago which I headlined “New migration office scam in Santa Rosalia”. Because this posting in the BajaNomad was
read by the Santa Rosalia Migration office, more specifically by the “Subdelegado” (director) Senior Ismael Cosio Ojeda, I was invited to his office
for a meeting this week. Before I report on this, incase you missed it, here is that earlier posting-
“Today at the Santa Rosalia Migracion office, to renew both our FM-3's, the two regular guys were not in so the lady (who has been there forever) did
it for us. She sorted all the bank stuff and tax statements out as usual and sent me to the bank as always to pay the $1,200 peso fee. Arriving back
at the office after the bank run, she said to come back in a week for the renewed documents...and "you need to pay me $600 pesos now". I ask why and
her answer was "for the copies". I ask her just how many copies she made in the process...she sorted through the papers and said "six but the copy
machine toner is very expensive". I said I would not pay 100 pesos/copy. She then said OK "I only charge you $400 pesos". At this point I knew I had
her game so I said "OK but I want a signed receipt". She said "I give no receipts, you just pay". I told her I was not going to pay anything without a
receipt. For a minute it was the 'Lets All Look Down At The Floor Game', then she said "OK, you go...you pay nothing". If there is more to this when I
go back to get the renewed FM-3's I will update this.
In seven years we have never had any issues there..same people/different game.
NOW THE UPDATE- During the meeting I found Senior Ojeda a very approachable and professional individual. We spoke, mostly in English, for an hour. He
explained to me that I made an error of great magnitude by posting my experience on the BajaNomad. His advice for all Mexican issues like this is to
“always speak directly to the boss first”. He says the lady I dealt with, now known as Priscilla, made a mistake. He says the mistake was because
her English is not good enough to convey what she was really trying to say. Had her English been better, he says she would have said something like
‘I made you out a letter you should have brought in asking for a renewed FM-3, and I computed up the bank charges and filled in the form. I also made
you six copies here instead of sending you into town for the copies. This is extra service so if you wish to make a voluntary ‘tip’ for this you can
do so to your liking….or choose to not do so if you wish’. Senior Ojeda asks I post this so it can be seen how hard they work to help us work through
the necessary paperwork his office requires. He points out that his office staff has, upon occasion, gone down to a disabled gringo’s car that could
not get up to the office to get the FM-3 renewed because of injury, and they have even made house calls in rare instances to help with the renewals.
They have the feeling that their extra efforts and services are often un-noticed. Senior Ojeda gave me his email address should I ever feel I need to
discuss migration issues I might have. He says he wishes to encourage an open-door policy, and he hopes anyone with migration problems with his
office contact him first so that solutions can be found.
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surfer jim
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How did he know you posted on this board?
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bajaguy
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And unfortunatenly, the person in charge, Senior Ismael Cosio Ojedais, is trying to rationalize the extortion attempt..........the lady made a
mistake, her english is not good, she was just trying to help.....
Maybe if they are providing "extra services" they should post signs with the prices of those services.
“Subdelegado” (director) Senior Ismael Cosio Ojeda........... explained to me that I made an error of great magnitude by posting my experience on the
BajaNomad..........
Maybe he would like it better if the incident was reported to Mexico City?????????????
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DENNIS
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Damage control can be so disingenuous. Government workers operate with such impunity that they're biggest concern is embarrasment. It's one thing to
be caught but, another thing to be exposed. Image is everything and in some ways, our cultures will never mix.
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Bruce R Leech
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they have been reading this forum for years and other folks have been sorry the posted things here. you need to understand how thing work here in
Mexico. when a public official dose something you don't think is right you don't announce it to the world and try to embarrass them. right or wrong
they can make you life miserable. I am sorry this happened to you but also I think you got off real lucky, I would not publicly pursue this any
longer.
I have seen folks deported in less than 24 hours for saying less than was in the original post on the other thread.
[Edited on 5-31-2008 by Bruce R Leech]
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bill erhardt
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Good for you, CasaManzana! You have done a public service for anybody who has to deal with the SR immigration office. I have an idea that senor
Ojeda will have a chat with the opportunistic young lady and that in the future she will be less inclined toward attempts at extortion. The idea that
one should quietly go along with such larceny because it is "how things work here in Mexico" is absurd. Like mordida to the policia, to go along with
such activity to get along is to perpetuate it.
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Diver
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I know this is Mexico but I don't get it.
How anyone could get the mindset that offering any additional service i.e. copies should require a tip to the employee is beyond me. The employee is
getting paid by the hour for any work they do. If the additional service has costs involved then there should be an additional fee to the office, not
the employee. If the office is overworked then they should not offer the extra services if they can't handle it. Shouldn't tipping be the option of
the patron, anyway ?
For the "boss" to offer explanations instead of retraining, reprimand or termination is also a bit tough to understand. Unless it's all family and you
can't fire your seester kinda thing.
Please explain this all to me.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
Shouldn't tipping be the option of the patron, anyway ?
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I completely agree with you, Diver but, isn't it becoming a more common practice in the states for a restaurant to automatically add the tip to the
bill?
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Sharksbaja
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You tell us Mr. Expert.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
You tell us Mr. Expert. |
Isn't it lunch time up there in Bend? You should be busy turning out those anchovy pizzas you're so well known for.
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Sharksbaja
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Like I said........ "Mr Expert"
Isn't it afternoon there now and time for your regular "Sharkys' tune-up"??
Now tell us Dennis, does Oregon add tips to the bill?
sorry, no pizza here to satiate your exquisite taste in seafood.
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Diver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
... but, isn't it becoming a more common practice in the states for a restaurant to automatically add the tip to the bill? |
I don't know any restaurants that charge a set "tip" in the US unless it's for larger parties. They do it that way in the Bahamas and it's the WORST
service you will ever see.
I sure hope it never becomes prevelent in the US or Mexico.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Now tell us Dennis, does Oregon add tips to the bill?
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I don't know. If you look at that little thing [?] in my post, that indicates a question. So, when you're done soaking Bonita filets in milk to
turn the flesh white, you can devote your union break time to giving me a nice answer.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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You guys crack me up.
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Sharksbaja
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Hey man, what could be more fun than juicing up dennis before work.
Besides, he knows so much about our operation, I just want to see what we're serving tonight.
Let's see, so far he's ragged on our place numerous times w/o ever stepping foot inside plus I doubt he ever checked out our menu or methodology so I
just figure he likes to cause trouble.
btw, sturgeon w/roasted garlic sauce tonight. No added mercury.
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Sharksbaja
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Hose A, permission to delete granted!
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comitan
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Can't delete I already paid my quarter.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
btw, sturgeon w/roasted garlic sauce tonight. No added mercury.
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Oh yeah, right. That fish could be used for an anal thermometer and the portion size would facilitate that as well, I'm sure.
I've never ragged [seriously] on your restaurant, Corky. In fact, I don't remember even mentioning it in the past. By the way, read back. I've
started nothing, including taking crap from you. You've just turned into the most entertaining thing to come along this afternoon. Thanks for that.
Another BTW....Your neighbors are talking of turning you in for not recycling all those Starkist Tuna cans.
Have a nice day and keep your net out of the city park pond at midnight. You're scareing hell out of the homeless who are trying to take a peaceful
bath.
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
you need to understand how thing work here in Mexico. when a public official dose something you don't think is right you don't announce it to the
world and try to embarrass them. right or wrong they can make you life miserable. I am sorry this happened to you but also I think you got off real
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That's really a sad commentary, Bruce. Understanding how things work in Mexico is not the same thing as condoning and perpetuating it. Are you so in
love with Mexico that you recommend that people drop their pants, bend over and get punked by the Senior Ojeda's of the world?
I hope Sr. Ojeda is reading this post, el P-nche mamabicho.
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Sharksbaja
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Yep, all fun n games Dennis. You'll drink to that I'm sure!
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
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