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fulano
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There is always that standard Mexican equivalent to "the system is down".
Ya se murió el burro!
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CaboRon
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jdtrotter,
Didn't you open this thread?
You think it is fun to pay for work slowdowns?
You should maybe pull your head out of the sand ...
And there is nothing fun when you see a deck collapse or a fire started because of the local building customs...
CaboRon
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fulano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
Fulano,
Your comments are always either negative or demeaning---
evidently your experiences have truly made you a bitter person, and for that I feel for you. |
You know Diane, for all your comments about how you love Mexico and how you spend so much time there, it truly amazes me how little you understand of
the Mexican soul. It is almost like you have some kind of comic-book understanding of Mexico, or have somehow convinced yourself that you understand
what apparently is unfathomable to you.
The statement "Ya se murió el burro!" is a very common expression throughout all of Mexico and Latin America. It is not the least bit insulting and
considered humorous. It is no worse than an English equivalent, like saying "the dog ate my homework".
Maybe you should hang out with some Mexican's someday, because I just have to tell you that whatever disaffected and dysfunctional ex-pat's you hang
with are not doing you any good.
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DianaT
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Fulano, maybe I don't fully understand all of the nuances of this culture, but enough is enough. You are so constantly posting only the negative
things you can find----.
Going to delete what I can of this thread. It was meant to be a postive more fun thread, but guess that won't happen.
Sorry to all----back to my comic books --- you obviously know who I am.
Diane
[Edited on 7-16-2008 by jdtrotter]
[Edited on 7-16-2008 by jdtrotter]
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Cypress
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When you hire someone to work for you, you really need to know them. Know
Them? How many people do you really know?
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CaboRon
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You know that "it is what it is" crap is what has held Mexico back .... it is third world thinking .... it is the give up rationalization of a
repressed people who don't believe there is are any choices ....( choices only come to those who show initiative) ....
The Mexican people have been told 1848 that the US is responsible for all of their woes ... that thinking only holds the country firmly in
the ruling class/third world game. And it is a lie that has been told by the people who have been sucking this country dry for as long as any can
remember.
CaboRon
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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I heard a new one this morning when I asked why our workers werent' at work yesterday.....TOOTHACHE!!! 2 DAYS OFF!!
Actually I'm proud of and commed the trotters on how they have adjusted to this village culture and accepted it without getting angry...and I've NEVER
seen them with any ex-pats...except once an old friend of theirs visited for a couple days. I see them once in awhile when they graciously give us
left over tile or something and they always have a nice cold Bohemia for me and tell me about their mexico new friends they have made.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
Fulano, maybe I don't fully understand all of the nuances of this culture, but enough is enough. You are so constantly posting only the negative
things you can find----.
Going to delete what I can of this thread. It was meant to be a postive more fun thread, but guess that won't happen.
Sorry to all----back to my comic books --- you obviously know who I am.
Diane
[Edited on 7-16-2008 by jdtrotter]
[Edited on 7-16-2008 by jdtrotter] |
BYE
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
Fulano,
Your comments are always either negative or demeaning---
evidently your experiences have truly made you a bitter person, and for that I feel for you. |
You know Diane, for all your comments about how you love Mexico and how you spend so much time there, it truly amazes me how little you understand of
the Mexican soul. It is almost like you have some kind of comic-book understanding of Mexico, or have somehow convinced yourself that you understand
what apparently is unfathomable to you.
The statement "Ya se murió el burro!" is a very common expression throughout all of Mexico and Latin America. It is not the least bit insulting and
considered humorous. It is no worse than an English equivalent, like saying "the dog ate my homework".
Maybe you should hang out with some Mexican's someday, because I just have to tell you that whatever disaffected and dysfunctional ex-pat's you hang
with are not doing you any good. |
Diane,
Please consider that point again. Fulano's comments have been accurate. No one has been able to point to false statements. Not once so far. He/she is
pursuing a better world through understanding of truth, while so many here would prefer to distract from truth about Baja California's culture and
society.
Similarly denial or attacking the truth is not helpful to the discussion. A critical perspective, with patience, reserve and respect for each other
would be helpful here.
As a group we need to ask ourselves are we working toward a better Baja California or are we reinforcing falsehoods? As gringos who fund much of the
development is our lack of real cultural understanding perpetuating misunderstanding and separatism? We need to ask among ourselves if our compatriots
actions may be detrimental to our longterm survival here.
I, too, ask you to consider your role.
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DianaT
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Thank CaboRon
I haven't left quite yet---and may not---as you say, lots of choices around.
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comitan
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Diane I for one enjoy your posts and your pictures and your closeness to the Mexican people don't let anybody hinder your enthusiasm or your posts.
wiley
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Cypress
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shari, A serious toothache will make a grown man cry.  You've just got
to buck-up, put your shoes on and go from can to can't.  "All you need is power
and more power!" My foreman told me this when I hired into a shipyard labor crew.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
This thread could have forevermore been "Donkey Orphanage Converted Into Cemetery." |
Dang---wish I could go back and do that. 
Wiley, I have already rethought my decision---because of the number of people who do really like Baja and have fun with all of it.
Just blowing off steam at the we don't like Mexico or Mexican Culture groups.
Diane
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rts551
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Where is it that some people have a lock on the "truth"?
Maybe the real truth lies with the culture as it is.
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jls
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When reading some of the comments and opinions on the site, I often think how I would feel if a group of people from another country moved into my
area and started acting like they know more about my government, my culture and my needs than I do. Doesn't influence come from trust and support
rather than criticism, negativity, and cultural elitism? Until we can vote, run for office, speak the language, and foster a legal movement, we are
guests in a country and should behave as guests.
Just speaking for myself and how I feel about living in a foreign country.
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Lee
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EVERYPLACE has it's problems. Now, is the glass half full or half empty?
There is nothing wrong with thinking (Diane) Baja is a land with problems but it's glorious and beautiful -- or, fulano's need to update everyone on
the danger lurking in the shadows.
For those (Diane) who do not see the danger, or the ugliness, no problem. Doesn't mean a thing. It means that that is her experience of Baja and
where she is and isn't that great?
It isn't like fulano is making up stuff printed to sell papers. AND it's his perspective of things -- and there even seems to be a balance -- from
my perspective.
What comes across from both Diane and fulano is they LOVE Baja and Mexico and the Mexicans.
And as much as I'm one of those people who love the people and the land, if I ever get a chance to catch someone passing on a hill causing me to make
an emergency brake, I'll teach them that stupidy know's no border's. Add to that those I catch throwing garbage out their car window's with me
driving behind them.
I am ZorroLee -- Protector of Mexican women and Tortugas (and anyone else in need of protection).
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jls
When reading some of the comments and opinions on the site, I often think how I would feel if a group of people from another country moved into my
area and started acting like they know more about my government, my culture and my needs than I do. Doesn't influence come from trust and support
rather than criticism, negativity, and cultural elitism? Until we can vote, run for office, speak the language, and foster a legal movement, we are
guests in a country and should behave as guests.
Just speaking for myself and how I feel about living in a foreign country. |
I often am struck by the number of people in Baja who have no respect for the law, who believe that laws shouldn't be enforced. Even more shocking,
are people who move to Baja California but feel they should not be involved in their community, they should not learn laws, participate in support of
their neighbors and community and just stay out of things.
There is a general rule---where ever you live you have a responsibility to participate in your community and do your part to the extent that you can.
Why some people feel they can move to Baja California and benefit from all it has to offer but ignore language, laws and culture, community is beyond
me.
Those gringos who come here and do not do what they can to be a integral citizen to the degree that law allows and requires are a serious threat to
our wellbeing.
For example, say we continue down this road for eons to come... will Baja California be a place where the majority (gringo expats) believes they are
not part of the community with no responsibility to learn about the social issues, speak the language, enforce laws and participate to the degree they
are capable?
That mindset repeated here far too often is the straw that is breaking the back of the burro in Baja California.
Those who attempt to justify disconnected existence in quiet silence in the face of social issues that demand their attention are the reason so many
Mexicans are outraged.
Quit the rationalizations, get off your butts, go meet your delgado, go meet every policeman and government official and talk, listen and move the
agenda forward to the extent that is reasonable and necessary.
Imagine a Baja of the future with gringos far and wide--doors shut, unable to translate news and info, unwilling to discuss issues with neighbors in
depth and with a degree of understanding and resourcefulness.
C'mon Nomads get off your butts and get out there and be Nomads!
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Lee
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I'm serious!
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Quit the rationalizations, get off your butts, go meet your delgado, go meet every policeman and government official and talk, listen and move the
agenda forward to the extent that is reasonable and necessary. |
God I'm getting the chills.
Listen to gnukid, folks. Kid has a finger on the pulse of reality.
OK. Let's all sing.
''THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND
words and music by Woody Guthrie
Chorus:
This land is your land, this land is my land
From California, to the New York Island
From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters
This land was made for you and me
As I was walking a ribbon of highway
I saw above me an endless skyway
I saw below me a golden valley
This land was made for you and me
Chorus
I've roamed and rambled and I've followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
And all around me a voice was sounding
This land was made for you and me
Chorus
The sun comes shining as I was strolling
The wheat fields waving and the dust clouds rolling
The fog was lifting a voice come chanting
This land was made for you and me
Chorus
As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there
And that sign said - no tress passin'
But on the other side .... it didn't say nothin!
Now that side was made for you and me!''
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Cypress
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Location: on the bayou
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All you need is power and more power.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Where is it that some people have a lock on the "truth"?
Maybe the real truth lies with the culture as it is. |
Maybe it doesn't ...............
CaboRon
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