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memo
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Mexico Fatigue?
After reading the recent posts on this forum, the back and forth about Mexico lovers vs mexico "haters" it seems to me the issue can partly be
explained as Mexico Fatigue. A sort of ennui experienced by expats and frequent visitors to Mexico. Why, after all, can't the Mexicans pull it
together and provide basic human rights, police protection, drinking water and gas piped to each residence, mail service and good education? Why
can't the sewers accept toilet paper? Mexico is rich in natural resources and blessed with a hard working, ethical population. But it remains, at
best, a third world country.
I believe most Americanos are simply bored with the failure of Mexico to live up to it's potential. We are tired of the excuses, i.e, "its their
culture, learn to love it" and "if you don't like it, don't visit" etc.
When will Mexicans come to grips with reality? Why is the main street of every burg in Mexico named "avenida Revolucion" when the people don't seem
to have the guts to actually conduct a revolution anymore? I''ve been visiting Mexico for fifty years and frankly I have grown weary of the excuses.
There are many wonderful countries on this planet that have decided to honor human dignity and rights where the people live in freedom and grace.
Why Mexico is not one of them can be argued all night. Many of us simply don't care anymore.
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palmeto99
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Great post...
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Udo
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Ey, memo!
you are right on on your assesment of Mexico, however, your last statement..."Many of simply don't care anymore"
Why did you join this post if caring about Baja is not in you??
Udo
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Loretana
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Culture Clash
Memo,
has dado el clavo!
(translation: you have hit the nail on the head) 
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
-Nikola Tesla
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Barry A.
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Memo-----
I still "care", but mostly I agree with you. I invested heavily in Mexican stocks for years and years, and they did reward me, but Mexico's failure
to advance (IMO) in the way you outline finally discouraged me about 6 years ago, and I withdrew my investments, never to return (other than CEMEX
which is a worldclass company)
I still visit, but it is for selfish reasons, now, and mostly for the geography, and the rural folks that still welcome me with a smile.
It is very sad.
I mainly stay on this board to read David's posts and adventures, along with several others------I find all their posts truly interesting and they
inspire me to return and explore------the more detailed the reports are the better I like them. 
Barry
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palmeto99
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| Quote: | Originally posted by udowinkler
Ey, memo!
you are right on on your assesment of Mexico, however, your last statement..."Many of simply don't care anymore"
Why did you join this post if caring about Baja is not in you??
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Does one have to love Baja to post here now. You can still be part of the precious Baja and have fallen out of love with it. ..........
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Udo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
| Quote: | Originally posted by udowinkler
Ey, memo!
you are right on on your assesment of Mexico, however, your last statement..."Many of simply don't care anymore"
Why did you join this post if caring about Baja is not in you??
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Does one have to love Baja to post here now. You can still be part of the precious Baja and have fallen out of love with it. .......... |
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You are again, right on...Memo
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Udo
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beercan
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Great minds think alike ???
The only Mexican stock that I hold !
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(other than CEMEX which is a worldclass company)
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* B. Hussein Obama - an Empty Suit for Empty Minds.
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Bajajack
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Everyone has their own
agenda as I have mine, still go there frequently but not to soak up the famous culture.
Ignorance, poverty and filth do not constitute culture.
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Sharksbaja
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What kills me are the Mexico haters in Mexico.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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rpleger
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If you don't like México, then don't come down here. Stay away and go Americanize some other country.
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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Packoderm
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I agree with Memo 100%. However, the scenario he (she?) describes is a part of the reason I go there. It's part of the adventure and affordability. Is
that selfish of me? Yes, probably. As for there being Mexico haters, I don't buy it. It would seem more hateful not to care enough about the people to
wish the best for them. Anyway, America does not hold a monopoly on basic human rights, police protection, clean drinking water and gas piped to each
residence, mail service and good education, and sewers that don't stink up the streets and accept toilet paper. Perhaps it could be called
Europization, or even Japanization.
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palmeto99
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
I agree with Memo 100%. However, the scenario he (she?) describes is a part of the reason I go there. It's part of the adventure and affordability. Is
that selfish of me? Yes, probably. As for there being Mexico haters, I don't buy it. It would seem more hateful not to care enough about the people to
wish the best for them. Anyway, America does not hold a monopoly on basic human rights, police protection, clean drinking water and gas piped to each
residence, mail service and good education, and sewers that don't stink up the streets and accept toilet paper. Perhaps it could be called
Europization, or even Japanization. |
Good post... Its not hating to call a spade a shovel..
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Osprey
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For me it was a no brainer. It was close, cheap, warm and full of fish. Where else could I get to in my old pickup quickly, easily, buy a little house
near the beach, hunker down and wait for my SS to kick in.
While living and working almost all my adult life in Las Vegas I would take advantage of the uncluttered, rustic beauty of Southern Utah, fishing,
camping every weekend I could get away from the city. As the tourists filled up an already crowded fantasyland I would run to the hinterlands.
So this is my retirement Utah. I'll be fine down here as long as I can fight the urge to change anything but me.
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Diver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
I'll be fine down here as long as I can fight the urge to change anything but me. |
Great words Osprey; words to live by.
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baitcast
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Yes a great post! never seen it explained like that,they can do much better,but why don,t they? still love the place tho.
Rob
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shari
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I guess we all have our limits and baja sort of sorts out the tolerant from the not in good time...hopefully those of you who hate it so much and
can't abide the fact that is it NOT the U.S of A....will just plain stay out...as I have always said...baja is NOT for everyone.
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bigeye
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I can see the tourist ad now.
Mexico, its totally screwed up, if you don't like it, stay the f out.
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memo
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MEXICO, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!
Here's a bumper sticker idea for Shari and her friends. Unfortunately it refects the Mexican governments entire social policy. And, as we all know,
many of the best and brightest have taken the advice and left Mexico. The brain drain will continue forever, aided by the enablers, like Shari, who
embrace the love it or leave it philosophy. I humbly suggest the real Mexico lovers are those with the guts to remain and seek positive change.
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comitan
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What a bunch of flip floppers, on one side everyone says to much development to much change, now you want change (positive) I personally like it the way it is, in fact La Paz is growing too fast, it still
has the flavor of Mexico but all the new commercial bldgs are very modern given time La Paz will be the way you north of the border want it, but then
you will b-tch because it not Mexico. 
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
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