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N2Baja
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Feeding the coyotes
Hello Everyone,
I am a long time lurker but this is my first post. I couldn't think of a better place to ask for advise on dealing with an interesting situation.
We have a house in the campos south of San Felipe. Over the past year or so I've noticed a large number of coyotes hanging around the camp. I
mentioned this to a neighbor and was told that another neighbor is putting dog food out for them. He even has a couple that will come up to him and
eat from his hand. But here is the scary part: Now we've heard that someone saw a cougar hanging around.
We have two teenagers and a puppy and I'm very concerned about their safety! Before I approach my neighbor I was hoping to get some advise from the
board. Has any one else had a similar situation? How did you deal with it?
Thanks!
Forget about the danger and think of the fun.
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Skeet/Loreto
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You must deal with "Commom Sense" in your approach to you Problem!
Here where I live Coyotes come into the Cow Pens and will drag a 50 lb New Born calf out of the Pen into the Tall corn and consume it in a couple of
Hours.
they are often covered with 'Ticks" and other forms of Crawleys.
In years past they were shot and Hung on a barbwire fences as warning to others their Fate, but now days they are on the E List and are protected.
I have rasied babies till about 6 months and then had to get rid of them as they developed in to mean puppies.
I would watch my children around any animal of the Wild, remember the story of the Character who lived with the Bears!!
they ATE Him!!
Be Careful!!
Skeet/Loreto
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Mike Humfreville
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In theory...
it isn't a good idea to change the natural environment of any wild animal, especially with any that could be potentially dangerous to you and your
family. When we lived in huts at the north and south end of Bahia de Los Angeles we were troubled with coyotes and did everything we could to
discourage them.
Regardless, we still lost a chicken occasionally. Within weeks after we had built our little places the coyotes would be coming into camp every
night. Surprisingly, they didn't care so much for the foodstuffs; they wanted the fresh water. They are so crafty that they learned to unscrew the
tops of water bottles and tip them over for a drink.
But, living so far from other people, we found ourselves identifying with our natural surroundings more and more. While we never fed of tried to make
friends with the coyotes, we did learn to enjoy watching them from a distance.
So I guess it depends on your environment and how many neighbors you have and how you all feel about the situation. One thing against feeding wild
animals is that it fosters more rapid breeding and overpopulates a species until the food source moves away and then you will have perhaps created a
famine and death.
Good luck with your situation.
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N2Baja
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Thanks Skeet/Loreto and Mike. You bring up very good points. I didn't think about ticks (eeeewww)!
What's so frustrating is a love coyotes! I love to hear them sing to each other at night; I just don't want them thinking of our camp as a
fast-food joint. I was thinking about using a pellet rifle and stinging them in the rump a few times. (the rifle I have is so weak you could
probably throw a bb harder) I don't want to kill them unless they get so aggressive that I have to. Is it illegal for me to have a pellet rifle in
baja?
The other neighbors on the beach are peeed and want to put out poison or start shooting them. I'd rather find a way to discourage them from coming
around, especially if they are on the endangered list.
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thebajarunner
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coyotes (4 legged ones)
In addition to ticks they also are quite likely to have rabies.
And, their favorite diet is household cats and dogs.
We get them here in Oakdale and I run for the .22.
There is a dead one up the street today which I saw while I was walking my lab.
I don't think that one could take on Mali, the lab, but in a tussle the rabies deal is real likely...
Shoot 'em quick. They have no redeeming qualities.
Baja Arriba!!
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academicanarchist
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Beware of disease
As has been pointed out, they care carry rabies. Many coyotes each carrion, which of course has a high bacteria contact that can become concentrated
in the saliva. They are very adaptable, and survive even in urban environments. If people are hand feeding them, they are incredibly stupid. One bite,
and they can get a serious injection of bacteria. To encourage wild animals to come to human habitations is also incredibly stupid.
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yes, AA, I agree. It is stupid. Unfortunately, in the long run, the coyotes will be paying for his stupidity. From the info I've received here so
far, I see that I've underestimated the severity of the threat to my family and my dog. I don't want to kill the coyotes, I just want to
discourage them from coming around. But, I'll do whatever is necessary to protect my kids. So, does anybody know if it's illegal to have a bb
gun/pellet rifle in baja? 
Forget about the danger and think of the fun.
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Dave
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" So, does anybody know if it's illegal to have a bb gun/pellet rifle in baja?"
Both are legal however the army may argue the point with you and as we all know, they is the law.
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Markitos
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I hope it's not illegal to have a BB gun!!
I keep one on the boat just incase I have to scare someone by poking it out the gangway. 
Sure would hate to get in trouble over a toy!!
All that wonder are not lost
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DonC
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Anyone who kills a wild animal just because it is in the neighborhood and leaves it lay is a JERK.
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JESSE
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Food = Coyotes, Feeding them = more Coyotes, enough said.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Don C. It is apparant that you have had no contact with the coyote. I have a suggestion, Come up to my place and listen to the Coyotes coming up from
the river on a Hunting spree, looking for a new Born Brown Swiss Calf Worth about $200. brought to that point by an effort of a Hard working Dairy
Farmer , milking twice a Day, up at all times during the Night,having to Pull calves from the womb to save the Mother and the Calf and then having a
Coyote sneek in right before Daybreak and drag it into the Field.
All the time carrying Rabies, Ticks etc.
You are very unlearned as can be seen from your Juvenile Posting, so go back to School, or come on up and learn before you start your calling people
"Jerks"
Skeet/Loreto
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Jesse,So candid and so right on! (Duh!)
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thebajarunner
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Wild animal lovers
This falls right in the category of the "protected mountain lions" in California. By State Constitutional law (Voters' proposition) no less.
What do you want to bet that at least one of those hikers in SoCal who were recently eaten by mountain lions, in fact voted in favor of the
proposition to protect them?! Amazing, but you get what you deserve.
***footnote, legislation by proposition is killing this state***
Baja Arriba!!
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It only took one page of posts before taking a political twist! Now we're off to the races!
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sin nombre
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...Time out here.....
Ok, so we that love remote places have to accept the conditions that exist there. The Coyotes were there before us; we are the ones encroaching on
their territory. Mountain Lions? Same thing. Let's just say I sympathize with those pushed out of their homes because others found it desirable
for one reason or another.
They carry rabies? What do we carry? What do we bring to their neighborhood? Smog, pollution, etc...all for the sake of our "comfortable"
lifestyles.
That's the way the world is, though.
I believe you get back what you put out in life. The common courtesy and kindness you show even a lowly coyote, will come back to you one day.
Perhaps it's in the scorpion that you find before it stings you, or every safe step you take at night here in the desert without a flashlight....
Still wanna reach for that BB Gun?
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sin nombre
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P.S.
If you don't want coyotes around your place, don't feed them. They can survive without your help, as they have since they came into existence.
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Mike Humfreville
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One day at Las Cuevitas...
we watched a coyote come down a hill to the waters edge. He was thirsty enough to drink sea water. This was in August. If I hadn't seen it I
wouldn't believe it.
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One morning at Scammons...
We woke up and looked out of the tent to see two coyotes in the shallows digging for clams?
I will try and find the photos I took.
MAGA
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Mike Humfreville
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OK Mateo,
and I hope you find it before you try and convince us that the coyote flew into the blue and let the clam drop on a rock to open it. I've seen some
of the stuff that washes up on the beaches around Scammons!!
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