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fdt
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Not one but 2 mission sites to be destroyed
Yes, it was aproved, the state legislature aproved the new hwy that will connect Ensenada to the mega port of Punta Colonet. sadly, this new 4 lane
highway will destroy the ruins of both Santo Tomas and San Vicente.
On the bright side, it will sure make for faster travel for those going south.
Parts of the remains of those mission sites will be placed in a museum in Ensenada.
I guess that's progress.
Got toys?
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Santiago
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Ferna: do yo have a map of the new road?
Does essence predate existence?
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David K
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Mision Santo Tomas' final site is near Hwy. 1 and if a new highway was going right there THEN the El Palomar campground would be destroyed as it is
just south of/ next door to the ruins... and that doesn't make any sense since the highway could easily be just a few hundred feet to the east and run
unobstructed down the valley!
OR, if the new highway was going to run down the Santo Tomas valley/ canyon towards the ocean... then the first site may be destroyed...
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Now, if the highway was to go to the coast and follow it to Colonet (a good idea and would help the coastal land owners with business opportunity), no
way would it be near San Vicente!
The San Vicente mission has been stabilized and turned into a walk through museum...
Again, this historic site could be avoided by just a few hundred foot change in the route.
Ferna, one or the other mission site may get axed, but I don't see how both missions could be in the way of a new road with so many empty square miles
of land that could be used. Since Santo Tomas has so little left and no preservation effort has been done... that would be less of a loss than San
Vicente.
Both should be saved for the future students and people to study and enjoy... a tourism draw for each town, as well!
Santo Tomas was the last mission in Baja to remain in operation... abandoned in 1849... Here it was in a 1926 photograph... note the palm trees which
remain to help locate the site, today.
To see the missions as they appear this decade: http://vivabaja.com/bajamissions
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Will the new road have bike lanes?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
Will the new road have bike lanes? |
If it does, it will quickly turn into a third lane for cars. 
New highway could be good in many ways, but really hate to see the loss of historical sites. 
Diane
[Edited on 12-28-2008 by jdtrotter]
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fdt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Ferna, one or the other mission site may get axed, but I don't see how both missions could be in the way of a new road with so many empty square miles
of land that could be used. |
David, you don't seem to understand the way things work down here. I know what
you are saying but land owners want to profit from the new hwy so the missions beeing destroyed is of little importance to them.
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fdt
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Also the historical societies in Ensenada are not that good at preservation efforts.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
note the palm trees which remain to help locate the site, today.
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You can kiss those goodbye also.
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fdt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
New highway could be good in many ways, but really hate to see the loss of historical sites.
Diane
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Not a lot of people care enough to even visit them on the way south or north. Everyone is in a hurry.
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fdt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
a good idea and would help the coastal land owners with business opportunity |
The coastal land owners already have the coast, they want to develop were there is no coast.
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fdt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
Ferna: do yo have a map of the new road? |
I don't and maybe one apears in tomorrows paper but you know what can happen if I post a newspaper story, specialy if it's about missions.
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longlegsinlapaz
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fdt, maybe if you were to provide dk with contact information for the appropriate agencies, he could convince the "powers that be" to have a change of
heart...or change of route. If all else fails, he could stage a sit-in! 
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
fdt, maybe if you were to provide dk with contact information for the appropriate agencies, he could convince the "powers that be" to have a change of
heart...or change of route. If all else fails, he could stage a sit-in!
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I don't have that kind of power... Now, Jack Swords does have some INAH certification (for his photography)...
The loss of these sites is something gone forever... and is why Jack, Kevin, Robert, Ed and I have been contributing photos to my mission web site so
the past is not totally lost!
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fdt
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These people don't care if you are INAH certified to take pictures. They certainly don't care about Jack, Kevin, Robert, Ed or DK. The road is the
most important thing here.
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fdt
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It was the State of Baja California legislators that decided this. Do you think they know who DK is? Do you think they know about his web site?
[Edited on 12-29-2008 by fdt]
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longlegsinlapaz
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don't even have the power of your own personal convictions?? Ya never heard
the story of the ant & the rubber tree plant obviously?
fdt, extremely doubtful, but if he had contact information he could introduce himself & share it with them!
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fdt
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It's a lost cause and it's only amatter of time before they demolish all the other ruins of missions that are not working.
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fdt
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Places dissapear for diferent reasons. Right here to the north in Chula Vista USA, the nature center might be closing as early as March due to
financial problems the city is having. They are requesting donations http://www.savethechulavistanaturecenter.com/
Maybe Baja Nomads with the leadership of David K could raise enough money like that needed by Chula Vista ($375,000 dollars) to save the missions.
What about a pay website with mission pictures?
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fdt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
New highway could be good in many ways, but really hate to see the loss of historical sites.
Diane
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You can make a difference, what if a pay web site is available to view pictures of mission sites and each time you visit you would be making a
donation.
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fdt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
he could introduce himself & share it with them! |
With money in hand!
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