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LB
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Local Los Barriles man arrested at Charity event!
We had a small thread going about our new policia here in
Los Barriles....but now it is time for people to stand up
and tell their stories of encounters with the new THUGS!
We need to stop this before it gets more out of hand.
A local charity was having an event in the arroyo and
selling beer, the thugs came by and told the group they
needed to stop as it was illegal. Top thug order an innocent
man who was only cooking hot dogs to collect the beer out
in the golf field. When he expressed his opinion about doing it,
(Nothing fowl, etc. nor drunk) he was handcuffed and taken to the local jail and held for 10 or 15 min than released after paying a fine.
Numerous stories or coming out about gringo encountersin Los Barriles with these new polcia, lets hear yours!! Our town needs to care!
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DianaT
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A couple of questions?
Was it all gringos?
Were they breaking the law?
Were the police just doing their job and was he rude to them?
Just curious.
Diane
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It sounds to me as tho they were collecting money, I believe that is breaking the law even if its a charity event. Unless you have the correct
immigration status and permits. Could be he got off easy.
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too bad about "thugs" breaking up your little party...BUT...many times these gatherings are illegal...mexicans who put on events have to get a permit
to do so...and a special permit to sell beer. Perhaps this charity group didnt realize it and didnt get the permit. Let this serve as a lesson to
others that it is important to check with the local constabulary BEFORE putting on events.
There are LOTS of things you need permits for that most gringos dont realize or care to even check into...so word to the wise...check out your local
laws.
But it is a drag that new cops might enforce these laws that have not been enforced before...but remember that your town pays it's workers with these
permit fees and try not to be bitter about it...just comply.
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Fred
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This golf tourny has been going on for years. My friend said he got stopped on the first arroyo the other day going both to and from town. I guess
they understand there is a lot of $$$$$$ out that way with all the new homes.
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Our community had to get a Mexican business especially for charities. And like all businesses they have to have elected company officers and tight
accounting practices. I don't know exactly what was required but now all our events go through this license and everyone/ all most everyone is happy.
So Far 
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Just curious...was the arrested man mexican? Is the charity mexican? How big was the fine? What was it for? this might help everyone understand what
happened and better plan events in the future.
the aroyo does sound a bit like a cash cow though
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LB
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The charity is a register non-profit corp been around for 11 years.. The man was gringo. He was not selling beer, he was cooking hotdogs. The board of
corp
was there and not bothered. No permit needed to play in arroyo. Looks like
permit needed to sell booze. The man was ordered to go get the beer from
all the players....he was a volunteer cooking hotdogs. As stated in beginning
of thread..he refused. Was accused of not respecting the badge, handcuffed
and arrested. THE ARREST HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EVENT OR SELL BEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I said he was not fowl mouthed, just stood his ground.
Fine 350 pesos I believe. This is not about the event.
The point being, people in this town are getting stopped right and left. This is not the police behavior we are used to. Prior thread explained the
team
was from La Paz nite shift with an shady backgound. It is not what we
need here. My hope was to hear from people who have been harrarssed.
To see where we stand.
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thank you for that LB...just trying to understand in hopes of some helpful hints...document as many incidents as you can and always get badge numbers,
get them to write down the charges for you ...photo if possible, fully document it all in writing...and make a complaint to the comandante when you
haev los of ammunition. Organize yourselves to do this effectively and you WILL get results...hopefully.
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Good luck!
I would forward this and any related info to the municipal judge, the tourist officials maybe the PFP or whoever.
The sooner complaints start piling up unwantedly in various places the better. Make sure to note the new attitude towards locals.
With tourism off it's up to them to keep biz afloat in towns like yours.
I guess that's part of the problem, not enough tourists to go around.
These power tripping cops are scary. They will keep doing this as long as they get away with it.
I would love to see them get set up in a sting. Perfect candidates. Like anyone(official) is watching or cares......
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
It sounds to me as tho they were collecting money, I believe that is breaking the law even if its a charity event. Unless you have the correct
immigration status and permits. Could be he got off easy. |
Correct  He could have been deported.
[Edited on 3-15-2009 by CaboRon]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
thank you for that LB...just trying to understand in hopes of some helpful hints...document as many incidents as you can and always get badge numbers,
get them to write down the charges for you ...photo if possible, fully document it all in writing...and make a complaint to the comandante when you
haev los of ammunition. Organize yourselves to do this effectively and you WILL get results...hopefully. |
Many gringos are afarid of filing a complaint ...
Some have been laughed out of the station ...
Others flatly refused with the excuse that they are not funded to investigate anyghing.....
The police are part of the corruption ....
The reason they ask for us to document everything is that they refuse to investigate anything on their own ....
This is Mexico after all ..... they are not here to help gringos , only to fleece us of our money ....
And all this is overlooked by the highest officers in city, state, and federl government.
CaboRon
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350 peso fine is mierda de pollo. 15 minutes in jail. I think what's happening there is just a sign of the economic times. Maybe some cop was able to
put food on the table for his kids. Desperate folks. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it's just what I'm seeing here.
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LB
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Thanks Sheri for helping get my thoughts expressed.
Please LB residents let us hear your story.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
350 peso fine is mierda de pollo. 15 minutes in jail. I think what's happening there is just a sign of the economic times. Maybe some cop was able to
put food on the table for his kids. Desperate folks. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it's just what I'm seeing here. |
Do these criminals take any kind of oath when they join the police department ????
I would love for someone to post it 
[Edited on 3-16-2009 by CaboRon]
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Haven't we heard here that one of the draws of Baja has been its freedom and the lack of red tape that plagues "Kalifornia?" On so many occasions I
just don't see it. Often, they seem more litigious than even us. Disputes that don't go to court usually get settled in some perverse sort of gift to
the more powerful or locally popular.
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Los Barriles has always been my favorite town to visit, cop-wise. I thought they had them trained not to hassle their golden goose.
Here in nearby Santiago, they have tried to shake me down a couple of times for driving an ugly pickup truck, couple of times in San Jose del Cabo,
but NEVER in Barriles or La Ribera.
I hope it's not a trend; I may have to print up a new set of papers soon!
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One more
Several weeks ago, friends on the north end of town had their motor home stolen out of a lot they own near their casa. It took several days before the
LB policia would even take a report!
Glad they can find the time to harass a charity that has raised many thousands of dollars to send the local kids to school in Santiago after they
graduate here . Hopefully the "new policia's kids will be the first to NOT get the funding for continued education. I'm sure they can always get jobs
as police when they grow up.
[Edited on 3-16-2009 by bajadave1]
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So I wonder what's the legal position with "accepting donations" (sometimes even "minimum donation of x") as seems to be done by many people and
groups in BCS? Any experiences of consequences? Just wondering, the practice appears to be prevalent.
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This Charity Group in Los Barriles has been around for years and has all of the necessary paperwork filed with the Mexican Gouverment to operate. They
hold several events each year and ALL of the proceeds go to support local students in school and has several they have supported into college. The new
local police Comandante has arrived and started to fleece the community. His name is Valdadero. Here is a quote from another thread on Nomad. "I
really do believe that in general things are much better all around for us in BCS, in La Paz and through the south. Everywhere I go the police are
being open, communicative and positive. But I wanted to point out that one positive step for La Paz-the removal of the night shift commandante
Valdadero ended up the worse for LB. BTW he just arrived and has been there for about a week or so. I know him personally as I have been in situations
where people were taken by police and extorted and he was in charge, but he is very good at being sheepish and gosh oh golly gee I can't do anything
about it I am only the commandante... and by the way on occasion the military was there too and they stood there as the police extorted money for
charges so fake and absurd they could not be possible-for example you recall they said one guy had drank 300 hundred beers in about 2 hours and he his
bill was $1200/US of course that's not possible, but Valdedero was sure insistant that HE had to be paid the $1200/us."
We here in Los Barriles can only hope that his removal is swift and that he be sent to some place like Isla Partida. I think we need to enlist the
support of perhaps the VanWarmers as they have in the past come to aid of our community and have truly made this a better place to live.
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