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Russ
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APRIL 4 PATROL BOAT
It was really nice to see a patrol boat this morning. There weren't any seiners or shrimpers around. Only a lone panga. But the patrol boat stopped
them and the pangero went back to fish camp. I don't know for certain but suspect the pangero did not have the needed papers, either to use his net
and or boat papers. It's is wonderful to see this and I only hope it happens with some regularity.
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Sharksbaja
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GO NAVY!
Looks like that soldier in the top foto is scoping YOU out!
Nice boat, tough duty.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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Osprey
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Don't know about tough duty, guy in the stern in picture #1 is definetly trolling (but a little fast I think).
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Pompano
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Same patrol boat whizzed through here yesterday, Russ.
They looked over all our beaches and headed on up your way. Seemed to be enjoying life and really flat water. Hmmm..wonder what the diesel burn rate
is when pulling 2 waterskiers?
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Pescador
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Boy, things do change. When they had a skin diver drown out of San Lucas Cove several years back, they tried to take up a collection for gas so that
they could go up to Punta Prieta to help in the search. These guys have twin diesels and this boat will go over 50 MPH. I got to look at the boat
when they boarded us to check registration and licenses.
The one downside is that the local fishermen who have made their living off of the sea for a long time are not being allowed to fish and many do not
have anywhere near the right paperwork to be fishing. I really wonder what will happen in the next couple of weeks as the yellowtail try to start
heading up to the rocky shores to spawn. Normally the pangas, nets, and the skin divers kill thousands of pounds of spawning fish and the market gets
so bad this time of the year that the price falls in half for yellowtail and everything else that swims close to the rocks like cabrilla and reef
fish. My goodness, if they actually shut down the spring netters, we might actually see a resurgence of fish populations which have reached
critically low levels this year. The Mulege tournament was a disaster and it will be interesting to see what happens to the yellowtail tournament in
May at San Marcos Island.
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Pompano
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Pescador, sad to say the spring netters are already back at work. Just a day after the patrol boat left. There were 5 pangas with 2 guys each
spreading and hauling in nets along the coast from my place to Santispac. That's a distance of only 3 miles. The Bay is a maritime park closed to
netting...of course...sure.
Early this morning, a vendor came to my door selling yellowtail in the round that he had bought yesterday off netters from Sta. Rosalia. I told him I
never buy net-caught yellowtail or any other net-caught fish...nor would my neighbors...but I might buy the nets. He must not have liked my
humor...got a little nervous and went on to the camping beach, where I expect he will peddle the yellows.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Pescador/ Ponpano
This has been going on for years. What is the Answer to a bad thing.?
Can anything be done? What happens to the Panga Fisherman? What happens to the Comerciallies??
I would really like to know if there is any Solution to this process at this time.
Skeet
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Bajajack
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Anybody caught netting outta have the damn Panga sunk on the spot, then let em swim back to shore.
That's the only thing these people understand.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
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Dave
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Sure
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Can anything be done? |
Very simple. The laws could be enforced.
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We have the occasional patrol boats just like that one, as well as those high-sided aluminum "pangas" with twin monster O/Bs. Many times there are
guys up front with AK-47s and the gun toters are often wearing ski masks.
Sometimes they will cruise the edge of the gringo boaters chasing YT.............but the only boats we see them stop and question are the seiners and
the pangas.
We assume they are NOT checking for licenses and bag limits but contraband.
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bajabound2005
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location? Now, if only they'd do the same in La Bahia de Todos Santos (Ensenada) - probably have a few less dead seals and sea lions dead on the
beach (from gun shot wounds).
Friends don't let friends drink white zinfandel.
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Bob and Susan
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i bought a yellowtail from a fisherman yesterday...
pretty fresh
they are catching them near san marcos island
mine had a gaff hole in it...
do they gaff fish they net?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Can anything be done? |
Very simple. The laws could be enforced. |
Mexico has many good laws in place relating to protecting the fishery .....
However , NO Enforcement has been the norm,
The enforcement needs to be funded .....
Those patrol boats should be cruising each day ,
or at the very least each week ,
All of the designated protected bays !
What do you think it would take to protect the fishery ?
One hundred patrol boats for the entire Baja ?
What is the cost ? Where would the funding come from ?
It would take a huge investment which, IMHO, I just don't see forthcomming .......
It is a sad state of affairs , with insurmountable odds .
CaboRon
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Bajajack:
Your response is part of the Problem.
Panga Fisherman have been doing such for many years. They are making a living for their Families even with the past help of Their Govt. in buying
Motors for the Pangas.
There has to be a Solution based on Truth and Facts- Not Angry Emotions!
We, the States. have Problems with Gangs in all the Major Cities' Should we Kill them all after burning their Cars.??
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Russ
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The pangero that was checked yesterday is out tending his net in the same area this morning.
CaboRon has raised some really valid issues. And of course it all comes down to money. I like the way many of the co-ops work on the west coast but
the SOC doesn't seem to have that commitment to protecting the fisheries. There have been talks here in the Punta Chavato area about raising funds to
support one fishery agent with a boat, gas, a place to live and other logistics. But we don't know if there is a legal way to pursue this idea. There
are some concerned folks here that are going forward with the idea.
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Thanks for the update Russ. Glad to see the Navy myself. A lot of interesting views above to think about. I'll be heading to PC this month on the 18th
or 19th. Hopefully get the boat out too! As usual, I'll only be there for a week. Oh well, retirement is only a few years away. Don't want to rush
"old age"....ha! I'll say it again, maybe we'll hook up and have a cold beer. Type to ya later.....bob
Happy Trails....
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Bajajack
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Bajajack:
Your response is part of the Problem.
Panga Fisherman have been doing such for many years. They are making a living for their Families even with the past help of Their Govt. in buying
Motors for the Pangas.
There has to be a Solution based on Truth and Facts- Not Angry Emotions!
We, the States. have Problems with Gangs in all the Major Cities' Should we Kill them all after burning their Cars.?? |
We already do that here Skeet, the only difference being the Government Confiscates the cars and sells them for 100% profit.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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Skeet/Loreto
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My personal Opinion is that any of us in Baja at this time will never see it when the Fish are All Gone.
I think that the taking of a lot of the Squid several years ago caused a decline in the return of Yellowtail and Dorado until last year when I
personally saw the Fish in Multitudes, like it was 20 years ago.
We cannot even think that the mexican Govt. will do things like the States. It is a different Country with Different ideals and Mores.
Catch some Fish!
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
We, the States. have Problems with Gangs in all the Major Cities' Should we Kill them all after burning their Cars.?? |
After dealing with street, durg and Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs for 34 years, my answer is yes.
Bajajack wrote:
We already do that here Skeet, the only difference being the Government Confiscates the cars and sells them for 100% profit
.............not exactly. there is never a 100% profit. Forfieture of property used in or purchased from illicit activities have numerous federal and
state guidelines, and the procedure is controlled through the courts (federal and state). In Nevada a majority of funds generated through forfeiture
proceedings goes into the education budget. In my experience, the majority of the crooks property that has been seized has no value.....
[Edited on 4-5-2009 by bajaguy]
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Skeet/Loreto
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Well said Bajaguy!
Was your experience in Nevada?
I spent about three years doing Insurance Investigations at the Nevada Brothells for Emerson Titlow. Nevda is somewhat tougher on Gangs out in the
country of Nevada.
Fishing in the Sea of Cortez cannot be solved by Enforcement- Mexico just does not have the Money or Desire.
Compare it with the large and long movement to save the Salmon in Washington.
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