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flyfishinPam
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Save Punta Banda: no golf course!
Dear Friends,
I have just read and signed the online petition:
"Save Punta Banda: no golf course!"
hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition
service, at:
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/vivapb09/
I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might
agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider
signing yourself.
Best wishes,
FFP
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Bajahowodd
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OK. I'm number 1562 on the petition. Now, forgive my ignorance, but many of you folks living in the Punta Banda can help me out here. I remember
reading the thread about his sometime back. But I am still not clear as to actually what land is involved in this project. I've spent weeks as a
renter at Punta Banda, and have been out to La Buf more times than I can remember. Can anyone either describe it, or point me to a map. Gracias.
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flyfishinPam
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here is the thread you're referring to:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=34425
I have been in contact with moika from that thread as we're going through some of the same things here. its a team effort.
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DENNIS
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Don't have a map but, after passing La Jolla Beach Camp on the way to la Buf, the road climbs for about three miles before it tops and begins the
decent into the La Bufadora. At that hilltop on the right of the road facing north is a higher hill topped with lots of Telnor antennas. That hill,
specifically the unseen north side is the location of Punta Brava.
Maybe someone will come along with a map. I just managed to get lost with my own directions.
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Bajahowodd
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Thanks for the link, Pam. The only map posted was by David. It looks to me like the area involved actually already has private development. Am I
wrong? As for your efforst in Loreto, I wish you the greatest success. IMHO, you have a much greater uphill battle since you are dealing with a
Fonatur site. The whole idea was to develop, develop, develop. The good news is that for a number of reasons, Loreto has just not caught on. The only
comparable site would be Huatulco. Probably took 20 years from inception of Los Cabos until it got over grown. Seems like once the weed takes root,
there's no stopping it. Maybe you can find the right herbicide.
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Bajahowodd
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Thanks, Dennis. I know where you describe. And it is beyond the currently developed area. But that really brings up another issue. There will have to
be massive grading of this area to develop such a project. Or else, instead of golf carts, they'll need goats.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Thanks, Dennis. I know where you describe. And it is beyond the currently developed area. But that really brings up another issue. There will have to
be massive grading of this area to develop such a project. Or else, instead of golf carts, they'll need goats. |
Yes....Massive is the word but, it's no problem money can't fix and these folks have plenty of that stuff.
I can't get David's link to open but, the developed [residential?] area you speak of is probably Rancho Packard.
Another way to describe the location would be, from Todos Santos Island looking south to the closest land, you would be looking right at Punta
Brava.
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fishbuck
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#1570
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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mexipep
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Seems like a lost cause.
Having just read up on the town of Loreto and the total lack of effort there to stop the terrible development,it seems a complete waste of time for a
group of nonmexicans to petition the stop of a legal development in Punta Banda. Why is it if you americans do not fancy a development you seem to
think that gives you the right to tell the Mexicans what to do with their land. Its rather obnoxious of you,dont you think.
Ban all fishing to non Mexicans.
Conservation has to start somewhere.
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805gregg
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Why not take up golf? If you walk it's great exercise.
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mexipep
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It might even give some of the poor Mexicans jobs but that might not fit in with your protest. Keep it the same forever just for the Mexicans because
the americans know better.
Ban all fishing to non Mexicans.
Conservation has to start somewhere.
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bajadock
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Punta Brava/Ensenada Map
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rpleger
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Whats wrong with a golf course there. Won´t it raise property values in the area...What do you think is going to happen if they allow nonmexicans to
own and develop property near the sea..Total development.
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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Bronco
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Punta Brava directions/location
From La Jolla camp toward La Bufadora past Rancho Packard a sign on the right reads-Lobera. The road took a couple of years to finish and is the best
road in MX. There is a gate about 500 meters that was unlocked in the past but now is locked most of the time. If open, continue for a beautiful ride
to the entrance of PB with a large gate that is now locked.
In the past I have hiked to the point, looking for the old Indian caves that are on the hill side. The Mexican people would hike out and fish off the
rocks all the way to PB.
I have pics and will post tomorrow if I can find them.
This is a real tragedy IF it happens.
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arrowhead
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Well, for mainly economic reasons, I don't think this project will ever get past the promotion stage. But anybody here who thinks that P-nche petition
is going to do anything has no understanding of how things work in Mexico. Furthermore, why would they petition Tiger Woods? He has no equity in this
deal. He is just being paid to design the golf course and lend his name. It was supposed to be desinged by Tom Fazio, until they decided to bring in
Woods.
The Mexican approvals are already a done deal. For anyone who reads Spanish, check this out:
http://www.ensenada.net/noticias/?id=14789
The title of the article is, "Entrega Semarnat Punta Banda a gringos". That translates as "The Mexican federal environmental department delivers Punta
Banda to the gringos."
The project has its federal approvals. Do you really think that a government that is incapable of creating enough jobs for its own people, a
government that is looking at possibly million of Mexicans coming home from the US due to the economy, a government that believes tourism is a key
cornerstone of its job creation programs, is going to stop Punta Brava?
Get real. 
[Edited on 5-27-2009 by arrowhead]
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bajadock
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I'm getting my Jiffy Pop tin out for this one.
Fortunately, I don't care about my property value. The 3 mile distance from my little neighborhood to the development has a disconnection, even if
you have an "all boats rise with the tide" kind of market viewpoint.
I recycle my household stuff. My recycling comes from a pragmatic efficiency of used stuff. However, saving the planet is not high on my list. If
that is yours, I'm okay with you and yours.
Hope to learn more from a variety of intellects on this one. Plenty of "green" companies, manufacturing and developments get a pass because of good
marketing and political connections. My guess is that the "green" labels will increase for a while to disguise other agendas.
Hey, I'm Irish. I like green. Just not in beer.
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Dave
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"Save Punta Banda: build the golf course!"
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Dear Friends,
I have just read and signed the online petition:
"Save Punta Banda: no golf course!"
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Just kidding.
Since I quit the golf habit I could care less if it were built...or not. Besides, only the very few rich and famous will ever see much less
play the course. Them golf courses sure are purty, though. Would be a sight better that what's there.
I am, however, considering offering a petition to ban all fishing except as necessary for subsistence. You have your passions, I have mine. How about
a trade? I'll sign your petition...You sign mine.
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Bob and Susan
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i need to be educated too...
what is wrong with a golf course at punta banta???
i really don't know...
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BajaGringo
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Oh Dave, you play dirty....
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bajabound2005
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
i need to be educated too...
what is wrong with a golf course at punta banta???
i really don't know... |
It's not so much a "golf course" that everyone is opposed to. It's the destruction of the environment to build and maintain the course and the homes
around it. Like the minimum of 2 desal plants it will require.
This course will NOT be open to the public. The people who own there are expected to arrive via helicopter. We live on the property abutting the
Punta Brava property -- we will never see Punta Brava except from afar.
Lots (just lots, no house on it) start at 3 million dollars.
True, Tiger has no $ tied up in this project. But his name is what is drawing people to it (and he claims he will own a home there). If Tiger backs
out, the project will most certain fail.
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