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bajabound2005
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I don't get it. Please explain.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by noproblemo2
ROAD CLOSURE PROTEST
For info... reply to this post.. |
your post make absolutely no sense. is this a protest about global warming or health insurance reform or saving the
whales?????????????????????????????
perhaps it is a protest about the sad state of education that has resulted in unintelligible internet posts??????????
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bajalou
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I think they are protesting the closure of a needed road.
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noproblemo2
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The owner of the Punta Piedra project has put up a fence on a 100+ yr old historic road again, blocking our direct access to the Cuota, when we had
the La Mision Fire 3 yrs ago the fire trucks weren't allowed to come through to help us and were forced to drive an extra 8 miles around, any medical
rescues are also forced to do so, the "road" to get out of here now has been severely damaged by their trucks.
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BajaGringo
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I think everybody would like a little more info/history/geography of what/where is going on as well as the developer's expressed motives and your
communications with them to get a better sense of what this is all about.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Does the road have an easement clause? Or is there such a thing in Baja. If you have not already done so you may want to contact the Mayor and city
officials who oversee the area in question. This could be a health and safety issue for them to consider. Maybe you will not need to protest.
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BajaGringo
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Was this a paved road to the cuota or just a dirt access road created by locals? Don't forget that the cuota is federal property and there may be an
issue with that. Not discounting the idea that an access may be a valid idea but if the access was not a paved, maintained one by federal goivernment
it just may mean you will have to jump through some hoops to get it sanctioned and maintained...
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SteveD
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When the Toll Road was being built in the mid 1960's the owner of Rancho Puenta Piedra hassled the construction crews so much that they did not put in
an off-ramp there. He then tried to bootleg in a way to exit but the Toll Road people kept blocking it with bigger and bigger bolders!
Sounds like the new owners of Punta Piedra aren't any better!
When they were blasting the rock for the foundations for the bridge over the river at La Mision the rubble would fly in all directions, some of it
going through roofs of the trailers that were there. More fun than the fireworks we had!
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noproblemo2
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This is the result of the last meeting with the Delegados, on 7/29/09
Local TV station interviewed a few people. The delagado got a number for the Punta Peidra land owner and he called him. The delagado said that the
land owner was very aggressive with him ("agresivo" was his exact word). So that did not go well.
But I did learn that the person who is financing the Pemex and OXXO is the ex-wife of the prinicpal land owner (Curiel) and the gate might be there as
a sort of retribution against the wife because it will certainly cut into business at the gas station.
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Cypress
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Family, politics, and money . Solution? Family, politics and money. One of those endless loops.
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dianaji
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yes, it was a surprise when i got off the ramp to enter the usual way to the entrance, therefore had to go to La fonda and go the back way through a
rough dirt road. it was very inconvenient.
thank u susan for posting this!
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noproblemo2
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YW diana, but the road is/was actually paved until his trucks tore it up so badly.... See ya next visit..
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by noproblemo2
ROAD CLOSURE PROTEST
Saturday September 5th 2009
2:00 - 4:00 P.M.
We need as many peoplle as we can get here...
On both sides of Gate at Km 70 exit. Bring a chair, your favorite beverage & Appetizers
Contact every media outlet & Dignitary you can to advise them of this event.... As well as anyone you know.
Heaven forbid we have another fire or medical emergency again where the rescue personnel are forced to drive the extra miles to help us, THIS HAS
HAPPENED before...
Lets show the media what Punta Piedra is doing, we are forced to live like it is the Berlin Wall to see our friends or get to the Cuota and are forced
to drive miles out of our way to get to them!
For info contact Camille, normcamille@yahoo.com or reply to this post.. |
You know this is a forum for ALL of the Baja peninsula. If you want more out of it, then please take a second to state WHERE you are talking about on
the 800 mile long peninsula. More on why the protest would be great too!
From the follow ups, I get an idea it is near La Mision, BCN.
Thanks for thinking of the rest of us!
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MikeLikeBaja
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I am not sure foreigners are allowed to protest anything in Mexico. Maybe they just can't be part of political protests. Be careful
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TMW
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MikeLikeBaja
I am not sure foreigners are allowed to protest anything in Mexico. Maybe they just can't be part of political protests. Be careful
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Maybe just get a chair and drink and watch the protesters protest. Probably a hundred feet away will be OK.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MikeLikeBaja
I am not sure foreigners are allowed to protest anything in Mexico. Maybe they just can't be part of political protests. Be careful
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GOOD POINT!
I see that noproblemo removed her/his opening post... that will even add more to the confusion! It is captured in my reply just above, for reference.
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dianaji
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it's a she and she is very active in her community owned by the ejidos in la mision . imo, people can protest...we are not puppets. are u saying we
have no rights? there are also mexicans that live on that property.
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David K
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That is correct, foreignors CANNOT be active in any Mexican politics... It is none of your business (in their minds).
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woody with a view
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and so as to not help the powers that be, you should edit your reply DK and delete any id'ing info. Dianaji would be best served to also help out the
affected "problemo" by editing her post and learning the ropes before sticking her neck into a noose in la mision...
i'm just sayin'
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by MikeLikeBaja
I am not sure foreigners are allowed to protest anything in Mexico. Maybe they just can't be part of political protests. Be careful
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GOOD POINT!
I see that noproblemo removed her/his opening post... that will even add more to the confusion! It is captured in my reply just above, for reference.
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It's unfortunate that DK would politicize this simple issue and mislead so many about basic community involvement.
DK as well as many others here are not residents, they have no interests nor experience and too often, as he does here, he misleads with
misinformation jumping to conclusions which are totally unrelated and unfounded and distracting (which could be considered a political act).
It would appear that DK has more interest in fanning the flames of hyperbole than in addressing a basic community safety and access issue with a
positive outcome.
Everyone has the right to pursue neighborhood access issues in a manner which is appropriate, non-violent and communicates the needs. This issue may
or may not be resolved by raising the awareness but it is certainly not an issue which, at least at this point, is a subversive political issue.
The law about political protest, is specific to undermining the state, like tyranny or treason as exists in USA or practically anywhere. For example,
to promote radical anti-government activities is strictly prohibited when it can be demonstrated to hurt the state.
An example of restricted behavior would be joining the Zapatistas and coordinating rallies for SubCommandante Marcos. Foreigners who are involved in
this type of activity have been advised to stop. Yet they were not prosecuted.
This issue, at least as it has been communicated has to do with concern about blocking a road by a developers dispute. It is completely reasonable to
investigate the issue, speak to the municipal government about the intended routes, and to ask for support to ensure safe passage and security as in
the case of fire or emergency as was noted.
DK, please, again stay out practical Baja neighborhood issues where you have no interest nor experience and please do not make uninformed threatening
insinuations which, in my opinion constitutes a threatening attempt at intimidation to the well being of the community and the state. You really need
to look in the mirror and apologize to everyone here, again, for horrible behavior.
If you really had the best interests of Baja in mind couldn't you please be more thoughtful and educate yourself and refrain from outrageous and
distracting comments that do nothing but discredit this site and hurt Baja overall.
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