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capn.sharky
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Oro de Cortez
Thanks to Pam Bolles, I just saw the Oro de Cortez---parts I, 2 and 3. It made me sick to see what is happening in the Sea of Cortez. This is a must
see for all of you that have not seen it. I am now going to report any violations I witness when fishing in Loreto. Thank God there are people like
Pam who care about this wonderful natural fishery. I have been going to the Sea of Cortez for over 50 years now and it is obvious that the fishery
has been depleted over the years. We all need to get involved in perserving this fishery for our children and grandchildren. Yes, I understand the
politicos are corrupt in Mexico. But, I am seeing more honest officials in Mexico than ever before. Please help by reporting any commercial illegal
fishing in the Sea of Cortez and arm yourself with facts and a camera when fishing. If we all pull together, we might be able to slow this horrible
thing down. If we don't get invloved, it will continue until the Cortez is known as the dead sea.
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David K
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See it where? Online? Links? I was off line for 3 days for family visitors and missed this from Pam.
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capn.sharky
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U-Tube
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nobaddays
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look what happened to San Felipe fishing......destroyed.
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Dave
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Really?
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look what happened to San Felipe fishing......destroyed. |
Have a friend who just brought back delicious clams and monster shrimp. Said he got 'em in San Felipe.
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Clams and shrimp are not 'fished' for (sportfishing)... and it is terrible compared to 'The Old days' (but so is everything else)!
We caught all the corbina we wanted, plus croaker, totuava, bass, even a roosterfish once from the beach south of San Felipe! That was in the 1960's.
Gill nets and dynamite fishing plus increasing amounts of people along the coast really did a number on the fish population.
[Edited on 12-3-2009 by David K]
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If you really want to point a finger at the biggest culprit concerning environmental affects on the fishery of the Mar de Cortez I would think that
the daming of the Colorado River would have to be one...especially concerning the northern part of the gulf.
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Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vN_g2-JU_E
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXp0U8yXsoY&feature=relat...
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0__kyyAXSUU&feature=relat...
[Edited on 12-3-2009 by PabloS]
[Edited on 12-3-2009 by PabloS]
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David K
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The Hoover Dam was built in the 1930's... Fishing was fantastic after that, and we got clean hydro-electric power as a bonus!
Seriously, many other dams came later and then the farmers who feed the world plus a growing population of California, Arizona and Southern Nevada
needed the water. So, only a trickle reaches the gulf now most years and that has had an effect on the enviroment and sea life. Alas, when it is a
choice between the life of people over fish... people win.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboDreamer
If you really want to point a finger at the biggest culprit concerning environmental affects on the fishery of the Mar de Cortez I would think that
the daming of the Colorado River would have to be one...especially concerning the northern part of the gulf. |
I would have to think that the Colorado, virtually failing to empty into the sea does have a major adverse effect on sea life in the Northern Gulf.
That said, there is an enormous amount of illegal commercial fishing going on throughout, and the Mexican government has looked the other way all too
much.
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No! The Mesxcan Govt. has Not turned away from the illegal Fishing.
Check what happened when the Japanese Fisherman went in a Vacumed out the fish and got caught.
You are Dead Wrong!!
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David K
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Thank you Pablo!
I watched them again (they were posted some time ago here on Nomad)...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Alas, when it is a choice between the life of people over fish... people win. |
Not so much anymore, just ask the farmers in Calif. central valley who got their irrigation water shut off because of some "endangered" fish.
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"irrigation water shut off because of some "endangered" fish. " That little fish is a minnow that is worthless for anything. Not only the central
valley but so. cal. too. The central valley was the breadbasket of the western states and is now dried up like an old lady. Friggan greenies are the
reason. I do think Mexico is becoming more responsible in its management of the fishery. It is difficult to control all the commercial fishermen
with such a small force of men. Mexico is dealing with so many problems right now on so many fronts...but is slowly making headway.
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The "irrigation water" was cut by the Federal Government due to "drought conditions"
That why there is over 40% unemployment in Fresno County's westside, they allocated the water to "permanent plantings" not row crops, so.... you are
going to be seeing big food price increase in the spring on many rotational "row" crops in the Valley.. it's hitting the Imperial Valley too..
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Capn.
Now! Now! Sharkey the Central Valley has not fried up!
It is still the Breadbasket of the World. and we still have Water.
Now there was suppose to be a cut off of some water this years but Mt Shasta came up with enough extra that we will have enough to get us through the
Drougth!!
How would like to buy a 10 acre Homesite. I will let it go today for $500,000.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ncampion
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Alas, when it is a choice between the life of people over fish... people win. |
Not so much anymore, just ask the farmers in Calif. central valley who got their irrigation water shut off because of some "endangered" fish.
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Yes, indeed... proves how screwed up things can get when the idiots are elected to power in government.
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One thing to remember about that irrigation water is that it is heavily subsidized by the taxpayers. The farmers in the central valley have made
millions thanks to the fact they have received water at a fraction of the true delivery costs. Another example of corporate welfare.
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Just guessing
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
One thing to remember about that irrigation water is that it is heavily subsidized by the taxpayers. The farmers in the central valley have made
millions thanks to the fact they have received water at a fraction of the true delivery costs. Another example of corporate welfare.
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Wouldn't some of the subsidy flow back in reduced produce cost?
If true cost were reflected in end price who could afford tomatoes?
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I guess you could make the same argument for the government subsidizing everything. I suspect that if farmers paid the true cost for water they would
not waste it growing crops like rice that could be grown more economically somewhere else.
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