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Tenacatita Bay evictions
Interesting news about the forced evictions of hundreds of people by the State Police in Jalisco. How many Baja beachfront properties could also be
cleared like this? The area is now sealed off but it appears the bulldozers are busy leveling all the houses and businesses in the village.
| Quote: | Latitude 38
According to the Guadalajara Reporter, in the early hours of August 4, 150 members of the Jalisco State Police swooped down on the shores of
Tenacatita Bay and evicted 800 locals who were living and working on a undeveloped section of beach. Some of those people, including many who served
cruisers, have been living and working on the beach for 40 years. Twenty-seven people were arrested, although only 11 were held, and three suffered
gunshot wounds. Just as bad, many of the 'homes' people have along the shore were badly damaged and their valuable appliances thrown into the street
or taken away. And the former residents weren't being allowed back except one at a time, and when accompanied by a guard.
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Guadalajara Reporter article
Latitude 38 article
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surfer jim
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Mixed feelings on this for me.If I owned property there (or anywhere) No, I wouldn't want 800 squaters to move in next door.
Now...if I had an extra 150 police I might better use them to raid drug cartel locations instead of evictions.
Your choice?
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Here is a site about Tenacatita, this is what a rich Mexican is after.
http://sparks-mexico.com/costalegre/tenacatita/tenacatita-be...
In the picture Playa Mora is where we have spent many winters.
[Edited on 8-13-2010 by comitan]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by surfer jim
Mixed feelings on this for me.If I owned property there (or anywhere) No, I wouldn't want 800 squaters to move in next door.
Now...if I had an extra 150 police I might better use them to raid drug cartel locations instead of evictions.
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I don't know much about this situation. On the surface, it sounds like the village is/was on
Ejido land. If so, that means the villagers were not squatters. Then you have a judge that says the land is not ejido and the landowner has the right
to evict the squatters.
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You picked a better place to lay your shingle, Comitan. Playa Mora looked higly developed.
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I know a lot of cruisers that love anchoring
in the bay. It certainly is beautiful, but I would wager it will look a lot different in 20 years.
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Lots of speculation over there right now. Much uncertainty as to whether any structures have been destroyed. Lots of rumors circulating. Too soon
to make judgments yet.
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What happened to that tale I've always heard, that, after you've been there a certain length of time, you have squatters rights ??
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
What happened to that tale I've always heard, that, after you've been there a certain length of time, you have squatters rights ??
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Don't think those rules apply for Federal Zone squatters. Away from the beach there is a system to squat and get the actual land title eventually.
On federal zone usage/rights are only granted by completion of a federal concession application and a Federal Title is issued.
When these people were handed the 220 land titles to their property- it would only have taken one of them to apply for the Federal Concession to
protect it. The article says the old owner obtained the concession in 1993. You can only have one legitimate title for apiece of land- so the
Federal Concession Title would win. Once the water advances inland- your land rights will be taken away once it lies in the Federal Zone and you need
to apply for the concession title I think.
[Edited on 8-13-2010 by Woooosh]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
What happened to that tale I've always heard, that, after you've been there a certain length of time, you have squatters rights ??
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Simple possession doesn't get it. You have to pay property taxes and normalize a title.
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From the photos that I saw, the buildings appear to be within the Federal Zone.
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scary information. don't like any of it. reminds me of the nightmare evictions in Ensenada way back when ...
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people gripe about the California Coastal Commission and all its regulations and restrictions- but any Mexican system that protects the beach, creates
smart zoning and respects the people's rights who actually paid for the land and the taxes would be welcome.
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I know Tenacatita well! I have slept in hammocks at one of the beach restaurant concessions. A wonderful family owned and operated it. They had a
young boy around 9 or 10 who had had schooling nearby, and also in the U.S. They said that when the boy returned from schooling in the U.S., he was
behind in his classwork in Mexico. It was difficult catching up.
So, are all those that are being evicted Mexican locals? No Gringos? I have many friends, maybe a dozen from Nevada City, CA where I live when not in
Mulege, who live in the next village called La Manzanilla. Most of them had their houses built on the hillside with a beautiful view of the cove and
beach. I seem to remember one of them telling me that they don't have Fideicomisos.
I don't suppose they are also being threatened though. As others have stated here, it seems like it is either an ejido problem or a Federal Zone
problem in Tenacatita.
Too bad! Although, if they were squatters, they have enjoyed years of a free ride. Doubt if any of them had a plan B. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
scary information. don't like any of it. reminds me of the nightmare evictions in Ensenada way back when ... |
Also the evictions at Santispac. We didn't have our stuff thrown to the street (in our case the beach)but I'm sure we would have if
we hadn't of left.
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Santispac ???
please enlighten me, must be b4 my time and I don't know what happened ...
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I live in Manzanillo. Lots of rumors flying around on the net about the place. There were some gringos affected and as of 2 days ago nothing has
been levelled.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
please enlighten me, must be b4 my time and I don't know what happened ... |
A few years ago, can't remember
all the casitas, palapas and travel trailers on the beach were evicted. A lot of them moved and rebuilt at coyote bay.
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so, people had houses on the beach and they were destroyed ? People lived in them ? were they "squatters" ???
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| Quote: | Originally posted by stanburn
I live in Manzanillo. Lots of rumors flying around on the net about the place. There were some gringos affected and as of 2 days ago nothing has
been levelled. |
Would appreciate it if you would keep us posted on any new developments.
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