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[*] posted on 1-21-2011 at 05:48 AM
San Borja Circa 1940


With encouragement from DK....

"San Borja Baja California Norte"

Some of the families that live on the mission grounds circa 1930�s
� Zilverio and Monica Romero.
o Children: Guadalupe Romero (My Sisters godmother).
� Teodoro and Amelia Romero (Amelia McCliff) (My mother�s godparents).

Vaillavicencio Family Circa 1940�s

� Fidel and Trinidad Villavicencio (Trinidad Rajiola)
� Carlos Villavicencio Rajiola (Fidel and Trinidad�s son) Married Gregoria Medina Poblano.
o Children from Carlos and Gregoria: Ana (My Mom), Magdalena, Leonor, Francisca, Chencha, Trinidad, Carlos, Marcos and Juan Villavicenvio.

My mom lived in San Borja from 1939 to 1949. The Villavicencio�s original lived in a ranch in the San Miguel Mountain Range where my Great Grandpa Fidel and Grandpa Carlos built from adobe and rock. The ruins of that site are still visible (getting intel on location). You can see a picture of my Great Grandfather Fidel in the BOLA History Museum, standing at the front door of Mission San Bora circa 1940�s. (Thanks to DK, you can also find Fidel in 'Land Where Time Stands Still' by Max Miller c 1943)

An interesting note, according to my mom, Fidel was well acquainted with an American he called �El Gringon� (assuming now that this was Max Miller) because of his height. The American would fly by and drop of food and supplies for the people of the village. On one in perticular he dropped a Book (green cover) to be delivered to Fidel and written by �El Gringon�. The book according to my mom was written in English and contained many things related to the Baja at that time. This must have been in the mid 40�s as my mom was a young girl at the time.

History, such a wonderful thing�I am still looking, will keep you updated.

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[*] posted on 1-21-2011 at 06:35 AM


Oh my word!!!! THIS is the start of something big...something exciting here on Nomad...I so look forward to more of this story and photographs...thanks David for your assistance in making this happen!!! and a huge gracias to you bajaking for sharing your story with us.



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[*] posted on 1-21-2011 at 06:51 AM
Is this the mission?




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[*] posted on 1-21-2011 at 06:58 AM


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Yes that is San Borja, the piture looks to be taken from the northwest.




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[*] posted on 1-21-2011 at 10:14 AM
Remember VivaBaja.com/bajamissions for all mission info and pics.


I will scan the photo of bajaking76's great grandfather and add it here...

Until then here is some info and a photo of San Borja from my web page:

San Francisco Borja de Adac 1762-1818





Founded by the Jesuits just six years before they were removed from New Spain, San Borja has extensive adobe ruins behind the Dominican built stone church . A metal awning protects some of adobe walls, believed to be of Franciscan origin (1768-1773).

The stone church at San Borja was built by the Dominicans until the construction stopped in 1801. The planned bell tower is the only missing part. GPS: 28�44'40.4" 113�45'14.4"

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[*] posted on 1-21-2011 at 10:37 AM
San Borja in 1941


The following photos from the book 'Land Where Time Stands Still' by Max Miller, published in 1943...









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[*] posted on 1-21-2011 at 10:45 AM


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The following photos from the book 'Land Where Time Stands Still' by Max Miller, published in 1943...







Thank you David, I just bought the book on Amazon...I also downloaded the copy to PDF. See what momma has to say :coolup:




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[*] posted on 1-21-2011 at 11:55 AM


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Originally posted by bajaking76... . History, such a wonderful thing�I am still looking, will keep you updated.

BajaKing


It is, indeed, and thank you for posting this information.

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[*] posted on 1-21-2011 at 12:10 PM
A question....


Was the Mission San Borja ever used as a movie set ??

I seem to remember a western film - maybe a Sergio Leone or Brian De Palma (Music by Ennio Morricone - my favorite) that had an old mission set that looks sooooo much like the Mission San Borja. (Not "The Mission" film, I realize, but . . . a much earlier production. . .)

Perhaps it was a spaghetti western (IT.), but the photos above sure resonate a stored movie image for me....

I'll bet one of you know for sure !

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[*] posted on 1-21-2011 at 12:35 PM


The book 'Land Where Time Stands Still' is still available.

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=of...

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[*] posted on 1-21-2011 at 12:56 PM


THANKS,AWSOME POST,,,mas,mas,mas !!!!!
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Originally posted by Salsa
The book 'Land Where Time Stands Still' is still available.

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=of...

Don


He posted this above: "Thank you David, I just bought the book on Amazon...I also downloaded the copy to PDF. See what momma has to say"

One of the Baja travel story classics... right as WWII was breaking around the world and the trip was just before Pearl Harbor. Reading how the Mexicans jailed all the Germans they could round up was interesting.




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[*] posted on 1-21-2011 at 01:28 PM


Very interesting. Thanks, King and DK.



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Isn't the Internet great for expanding Baja knowledge and history!



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My daughter, who is in 4th grade, was tasked with doing a missions project for school this year. We were planning on traveling to LA Bay over thanksgiving, and asked her teacher if she could do her report on San Borja instead of the usual selections within CA. She said yes.

We ventured out (through what is still the most vegetated desert land I have ever seen) to San Borja, and like always were greeted by the family. Genaro was walking around another couple, so his brother stepped in to give us a tour. My wife translated as my daughter took notes and photos.

When we returned, my daughter compiled it all into a 70+ slide show to present to her class. Her teacher then asked if she would present to the other 4th grade classes as well. All were impressed with the realitively pristine condition of San Borja and were very interested in hearing about the version of history that we longer get in our school textbooks.

There is something about San Borja, like a lot of Baja, that is magical. All we can do is continue to return for more.

[Edited on 1-21-2011 by OCEANUS]
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Oceanus - I love that you made history so real for your daughter and maybe sparked the interest of so many youngsters to visit this amazing part of Mexico.

I love this thread .... keep it going on and on BajaKing.

One of our best friends here in La Bocana is "Pancho" Villavicencio, who obviously is related somehow somewhere. One of the neatest people we have had the pleasure of meeting.





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[*] posted on 1-21-2011 at 07:19 PM


Hey King, maybe you can trace your ancestry back to the Jose Rosas Villavicencio who picked up a copper nodule near Santa Rosario, a discovery that eventually resulted in the Boleo copper mines.



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My daughter, who is in 4th grade, was tasked with doing a missions project for school this year. We were planning on traveling to LA Bay over thanksgiving, and asked her teacher if she could do her report on San Borja instead of the usual selections within CA. She said yes.

We ventured out (through what is still the most vegetated desert land I have ever seen) to San Borja, and like always were greeted by the family. Genaro was walking around another couple, so his brother stepped in to give us a tour. My wife translated as my daughter took notes and photos.

When we returned, my daughter compiled it all into a 70+ slide show to present to her class. Her teacher then asked if she would present to the other 4th grade classes as well. All were impressed with the realitively pristine condition of San Borja and were very interested in hearing about the version of history that we longer get in our school textbooks.

There is something about San Borja, like a lot of Baja, that is magical. All we can do is continue to return for more.

[Edited on 1-21-2011 by OCEANUS]


Oceanus,

I wish that my son's teacher was as open minded as your daughter's teacher was. My son's 4th grade teacher would not budge from the curriculum. She told us that it had to be a "California" mission, thus San Borja didn't qualify in her book. It's too bad that some teachers close the door to learning.

Bajaking 76, this board is so much richer for your contributions. Thank you.


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Originally posted by OCEANUS
My daughter, who is in 4th grade, was tasked with doing a missions project for school this year. We were planning on traveling to LA Bay over thanksgiving, and asked her teacher if she could do her report on San Borja instead of the usual selections within CA. She said yes.

We ventured out (through what is still the most vegetated desert land I have ever seen) to San Borja, and like always were greeted by the family. Genaro was walking around another couple, so his brother stepped in to give us a tour. My wife translated as my daughter took notes and photos.

When we returned, my daughter compiled it all into a 70+ slide show to present to her class. Her teacher then asked if she would present to the other 4th grade classes as well. All were impressed with the realitively pristine condition of San Borja and were very interested in hearing about the version of history that we longer get in our school textbooks.

There is something about San Borja, like a lot of Baja, that is magical. All we can do is continue to return for more.

[Edited on 1-21-2011 by OCEANUS]


Wow... I am so proud of you (and your daughter)!!!

My kids did the mission projects as well, but their ignorant teachers said this is about California (USA) missions... So the lie that San Diego was the first (and not #19) California mission is more important to keep pushing.

When I was in high school (1970's) I was able to talk my California History teacher into letting me do a report on the Baja (California's first) missions... Got an A- !!:bounce:

Genaro Gerardo and his family are just the greatest!

Did you know Genaro made it onto a special edition magazine cover?

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[*] posted on 1-22-2011 at 09:25 AM


I love this stuff! Realy makes the board exciting to visit.
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