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Russ
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Nets, Pangas & Punta Chivato
I guess any chance of corvina /shore fishing is pretty much history for awhile. Here are two pangas working together to set a net I'd guess to be
close to a kilometer long. While the panga with the piled up net in the panga is in close holding one end the other is feeding out net. Once they set
the first net they ran the other out in front of the houses from the runway to the boat ramp. If they don't pick up the net in the middle of the night
as usual I'll try to show what they bring in. In the past they've only kept about one in 20 fish for market. That means all the juveniles/undersized
fish are killed and the future fishery is that much more depleted. These guys and many others do this every day. This evening it was just "in my
face"!
Here's the panga that is holding the end closest to shore:
The buoy in this next shot is not the net buoy but one of our boat anchor buoys. Kinda shows how close in they start.
Here's the other panga feed out almost a kilometer of net:
Here they meet up to go set the second net:
and setting the net along shore in front of the houses:
[Edited on 1-24-2011 by Russ]
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Is what they are doing illegal?
If so, why don't you make an official complaint with the proper authorities?
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Russ
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I think it is legal if they have the permits. Some do. And we have complained to fisheries. The only time the authorities get upset is if they haven't
received they're cut. And who's there to enforce any illegal acts? Also who do we think we are to whine about how the Mexicans manage THEIR fisheries?
Hell, the government is subsidizing the coops. The coops receive motors, nets, gas & oil to help them deplete the resource. They really don't care
to hear from a tourist with a fishing pole on the beach.
They must have gone in for a quick bite because I can now hear the pangas back out there running back and forth in the dark herding the fish into the
nets.
But who am I to complain?????
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Who are you railing against, exactly? These guys are making a living (and hardly to Punta Chivato standards, I might add), it's pretty hard to point
fingers at them, right? The ones they work for are politically connected at a high level, so it this just whining about the obvious?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Russ
They really don't care to hear from a tourist with a fishing pole on the beach.
[Edited on 1-24-2011 by Russ] |
Should they ?? Isn't this their livelyhood ??
Should they really give a ratsass what gringos think ?
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Russ
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Who are you railing against, exactly? These guys are making a living (and hardly to Punta Chivato standards, I might add), it's pretty hard to point
fingers at them, right? The ones they work for are politically connected at a high level, so it this just whining about the obvious?
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I'm just crying out in frustration. I don't think I mentioned comparing these fishermen to anyone but if I did I suppose I would compare what the
fisheries around Cabo & Loreto are doing and the effort they make to restore their fish stocks. Which in turn bring back the tourist and their
dollars. I absolutely feel for these fishermen and their way of life. It has become extremely hard for them. And right again Roberto,"The ones they
work for are politically connected at a high level, so it this just whining about the obvious?". Yes.
Actually the fishermen I have talked with do care what we think. They pretty much think the same but they are fishermen and so they fish. Those
fishermen that are local are not happy with those from the other side, out of work calimari fishermen, taking there livelihood away.
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Roberto
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I understand. But venting, certainly not on this forum, will get you nowhere. Best you can do is get a bunch of "me too" posts.
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have ran boats from panama to alaska and some islands where im a hale,but being in baja 30 winters with a high speed little caterman that I tow all
over the place and camping on beachs,I've seen this way to much!!!dont know the answer,but IT does suck donkey d--k
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
I understand. But venting, certainly not on this forum, will get you nowhere. Best you can do is get a bunch of "me too" posts.
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I don't think it will get anyone anywhere either. But...one can't stand by and just observe and let it eat at oneself internally. The BajaNomad is a
community. Most are friendly and empathetic. I think it is perfectly appropriate to vent here.
Like Russ said, it is in his face. He has to witness it in spite of the reality that the government will not do anything to change it. Everyone...you,
me, Russ, the Mexican government and the fishermen themselves know what harm they are doing.
Hey Russ! "Me too"!
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We paddled through this area in November, and the same folks were using the long nets then. Before we actually paddled up to them, we started finding
a great many large lisa floating on the water. Then we came upon a large pile of them in a small cove.
It appeared the fishermen were looking for target species and tossing the rest...
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Russ, Hang in there. Appreciate your pictures and thanks for sharing your concerns. The Sea of Cortez is a beautiful body of water. I know there're a
few master fisherman that know when/where/how to catch the remaining fish, but on average fishing there isn't worth the effort.
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Cracking down....
The ocean in front of our place in San Felipe.....some one had a net day in and day out..ever since ten plus years. The net from from the beach head
to outwards of the sea. Illegal. About two years ago....the "Fishnet Cops" gave firm warning not to use the nets anymore. Apparently...the "Fishnet
Cops" went up and down the entire area of SF. I haven't seen the nets used since.
I believe that in time, sooner than later....the fisheries will be getting more and more protection from these fools that are overfishing.
Fact is ....Baja Govt is attempting to buy out many shrimper licenses with cash and/or exchanging the panga for a sportsman rig. A few in Puertecitos
has exchanged.
If these guys in the picture fishing illegally...perhaps you can talk to the town's rep (mayor)?
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Russ
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
If these guys in the picture fishing illegally...perhaps you can talk to the town's rep (mayor)? |
Down here I'm pretty sure it is legal to net as long as the have the proper permits. Some of the co-ops are owned by the politicals as mentioned by
Roberto "The ones they work for are politically connected at a high level,..." so there is little chance of change.
I watched the pangeros pull their net this morning early for about 20 minutes and they weren't taking much. Even the birds left them after awhile. I
did see them pull in 3 - 20" or so halibut and a few other fish & crabs but I doubt they'll make another set in this area soon.
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The whole thread can be summed up:
"The Sea of Cortez is a beautiful body of water. I know there're a few master fisherman that know when/where/how to catch the remaining fish, but on
average fishing there isn't worth the effort."
And why is it a beautiful body of WATER [without its once abundant species]? And why is it not worth the effort any longer? That's the sentiment and
those are the facts that are grieved. And don't give me the "it's their fishery" song - the fish belong to nobody, and all of the human inhabitants
of earth are stewards of its health - the marine species included. Everyone who overfishes is harming the earth for everyone who lives on it. How
much of the Sea of Cortez bounty is not for consumption of Mexicans? Once it is GONE, what then? Just stare at the WATER.
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This topic hits me hard. I live on the Bahia Concepcion which has been raped more than once. What does the name Bahia Concepcion mean??? Well, it will
be Bahia Muerte soon if the nets don't stop. Last year I saw 5 pangas pull in off Santispac. They had netted the Bahia islands for sierra. Two of the
pangos were used just to hold the 1000 sierra they caught. Is it coincidence that there are no sierra this year? Last week I saw a pickup in Mulege
that had a crate of fish in the back. It contained one triggerfish of about 2 lb. size and the other couple dozen were the size of a saucer and still
alive. I never keep fish that are less than mature, and I fish by the rules. These guys are turning the Bahia into a fish and shellfish desert.
I understand that a big part of the market is to feed gringos, so we are as much to blaim, but it doesn't make sense to kill the golden goose.
I totally feel your pain, Russ.
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HORSEPUCKY!!!
| Quote: | Originally posted by elfbrewery
I understand that a big part of the market is to feed gringos, so we are as much to blaim
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No one is forcing gringos to buy fish.
Or drugs. 
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Undersized triggerfish. Looks like they're scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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Everything is just fine in the Sea
You folks here are so drama! Next you be saying there will be fish farms some day 
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Russ
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elfbrewery, we're not along in our frustration. Some here have purposed that the gringos are to some extent responsible for the decline in fish
populations. There are so few gringos in this area that I doubt we make a significant difference.
Here's a photo from yesterday. This is a beach set. You can see the buoys on the other side of their boat where it comes to shore.
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Sorry the buoys aren't very visible in that shot I'll try another shot and download it through Photo bucket and see if it's mo-better
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