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Internet System Hacking by Americans
On April 3, 2011 three sailboats entered Willard Bay here at Bahia San Luis Gonzaga. It was obvious to the local residents that they needed assistance
to find good anchorage. The locals got on the radio and assisted them answering all their questions. They stayed several days and continued to receive
information from several local residents via channel 72.
Many of us who have homes here in Baja, also have Internet Satellite Service. Well, guess what...our friendly yauchters were hacking our system and
arrogantly admitted to this when questioned. Replying with "you have such and such security and any school child with a computer can break your
code", and sounding very proud of his accomplishment.
We have a way of checking computers using our system and noticed "Jims-PC", obviously unknown to us appeared under present users. It was later
discoverd that they were operating 3 computers right here at Papa Fernandez Restaurant, as you know this plays havoc with our limited FAP. I have not
given the statement as to how they broke into our coded system, in detail, as the hacker admitted to me, as it would allow others to do it. But I will
tell you, if you are using WEP you should change to WPA as we have done.
So....Jim, Tom and Dennis, along with others aboard left Willard/Gonzaga Bay heading South, leaving behind many questions as to how Americans should
treat Americans in Baja. They walked right by our house, obviously observing the Internet Satellte System...never contacting us...heading directly to
the restaurant, to proceed with their dishonest deed. Thinking no one would ever know.
We have traveled in Baja for over 40 years and have had a home here at Bahia San Luis Gonzaga for over 25 years. We are now full time residents. This
is the first time that anyone has given us a reason to alert Baja residents about dishonest people in Baja, and they were fellow Americans. A sorry
and disturbing incident.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gatito
On April 3, 2011 three sailboats entered Willard Bay here at Bahia San Luis Gonzaga. It was obvious to the local residents that they needed assistance
to find good anchorage. The locals got on the radio and assisted them answering all their questions. They stayed several days and continued to receive
information from several local residents via channel 72.
Many of us who have homes here in Baja, also have Internet Satellite Service. Well, guess what...our friendly yauchters were hacking our system and
arrogantly admitted to this when questioned. Replying with "you have such and such security and any school child with a computer can break your
code", and sounding very proud of his accomplishment.
We have a way of checking computers using our system and noticed "Jims-PC", obviously unknown to us appeared under present users. It was later
discoverd that they were operating 3 computers right here at Papa Fernandez Restaurant, as you know this plays havoc with our limited FAP. I have not
given the statement as to how they broke into our coded system, in detail, as the hacker admitted to me, as it would allow others to do it. But I will
tell you, if you are using WEP you should change to WPA as we have done.
So....Jim, Tom and Dennis, along with others aboard left Willard/Gonzaga Bay heading South, leaving behind many questions as to how Americans should
treat Americans in Baja. They walked right by our house, obviously observing the Internet Satellte System...never contacting us...heading directly to
the restaurant, to proceed with their dishonest deed. Thinking no one would ever know.
We have traveled in Baja for over 40 years and have had a home here at Bahia San Luis Gonzaga for over 25 years. We are now full time residents. This
is the first time that anyone has given us a reason to alert Baja residents about dishonest people in Baja, and they were fellow Americans. A sorry
and disturbing incident. |
did you get the sailboat names? post them here.
you should post this story in the sailing cruising forums, and send letter to editor of "The Log."
scofflaws like this should be outed and ostracized.
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gatito
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There were 3 sailboats and we know only two of the names...not sure if the spelling is correct but:
Windward and Anne Marie...3rd vessel name unknown...
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Relax Gatito
You live in Mexico now, Adopt the manana attitute. Sounds like you just need to be mad at someone.
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Wireless Insecurity
Gonzaga is no different from anywhere else on either side of the border in that too many people maintaining Wireless Access use either NO security or
the minimum. For many, the insecurity problem is enhanced by the fact that they're utilizing antenna systems to increase the range of their signals
for sharing purposes. If nothing else, the unauthorized use is a problem because Hughes penalizes over-usage.
Most avoid encryption because of the (minor) password hassle, but generally speaking, at a minimum WEP should be used in those more isolated areas.
WEP is still pretty good outside major Urban areas, although it is fairly easy to Crack nowadays. At one time a few years ago, it was stated that it
would take a Cracker around 24 hours of "sampling" to crack the encryption code. A year later, an article in the same Mag (PC World) said that
software available to ANYONE over the Internet could do it in 30 minutes.
WPA-2 (if available on the Router) is still fairly safe, or, at least I haven't heard different yet.
MY suggestion to EVERYONE for whom I've set up systems or given advice is to follow my practice of enabling MAC restriction. It's a
hassle and the list has to be kept current, but it's hard to get around, Although there are Crackers who can spoof the system.
It's just like any other kind of Physical security: Padlocks, Deadbolts, Bars, Alarms. The more difficult to get in, the less likely.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gatito
There were 3 sailboats and we know only two of the names...not sure if the spelling is correct but:
Windward and Anne Marie...3rd vessel name unknown... |
I am curious, as I don't know what exactly happened to you from what was done... Did you have something stolen or was it that they just used up time
on your plan? I mean, did they hack into your bank account, etc.?
If they acted like 'grownups' and introduced themsleves and asked if they could use your Internet, would that have been okay?
Thanks for posting!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I am curious, Did you have something stolen or was it that they just used up time on your plan? |
dk:
using up time on plan is stealing. do you think plans are free? hacking is criminal.
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It's not hacking, it's called wifi. If you don.t want this to happen set up a password.
People that travel will do wifi through out the world to lets say pay there bills or what ever. If you leave your computer open with out password
protection it,s like saying it's alright to use access, wifi is not ILLEGAL.
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Well, DUH !
I see there are those busily picking Nits.
Hack or Not ?
They were using WEP encryption (which is noted with "I have not given the statement as to how they broke into our coded system, in detail, as the
hacker admitted to me, as it would allow others to do it. But I will tell you, if you are using WEP you should change to WPA as we have done".), then
it "Would" be a Hack.
Or, Crack.
That whole terminology has gotten a little confused. Originally, a Hack, Hacker, Hacking didn't denote malice. Rather, simply a "solution" to a
Software problem. Hacking then became associated with those who did so for BAD purposes.
In the last few years, there's been a move on in technical and consumer publications to revert to the original meaning and to denote the BAD guys as
CRACKERS doing CRACKS. Since the mental image of Hacking being BAD is so ingrained in the General Populace, I think it's probably doomed.
But, in any case, it's true that, if there was no encryption set, it doesn't require ANYTHING other than signing on.
[Edited on 4-6-2011 by MrBillM]
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jim/lisa:
our system "was protected" with a WEP key password. They hacked in to a protected system. We have changed to a WPA security password system.
and in answer to dk:
No, none of our personal information was compromised they compromised our FAP limits which are very valuable in an area such as this with no
telephone or cell phone service available.
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Sorry guy's must have read between the lines...
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Gatito
Thanks for the heads up. Ann Marie, and Wwindward just showed up here in Bahia. I'll shut off my router. Just an after thought, did Jim on Ann Marie
offer to show you his adult puppet show while they were up there? They did it here in Bahia last week.
Larry
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Adult puppet show? Sounds creepy.
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gatito
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to Larry C...Thanks for the post...no he didn't but we heard him talking to other folks on the radio about it...we didn/t have a clue what it was all
about!!! 
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Larry, how about a You Tube of the show? 
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If the network is open enough to access, using the connection or available data is not considered theft-it's like garbage left outside-its free for
the taking.
If the network is securely closed and the boaters used packet sniffing/logging to record packets, force logoff and logon to record user id and
password and then use that data to logon that is debatable. Theft implies that you were deprived of the use of your property.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gatito
and in answer to dk:
...they compromised our FAP limits |
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We shut down the pc when not in use by us. Wireless or otherwise....it best to turn it off for security.
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I didn't go the the puppet show this year, so no youtube available. I did hear that a couple of kids screamed and ran out of the room. Pretty good
critique I would say. I am not into puppets nor cartoons, just not my thing.
Larry
Gnukid, Theft may not be the most accurate term for using someone elses wifi signal, but it does affect the subscriber of a satellite service. We are
limited to X amount of bandwidth usage a day, week, etc. So when someone uses our systems it does cause problems. Slows our service down and in
general is not invited. If someone asks me I always say yes, but I ask them not to down load movies or any large files.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
If the network is open enough to access, using the connection or available data is not considered theft-it's like garbage left outside-its free for
the taking.
If the network is securely closed and the boaters used packet sniffing/logging to record packets, force logoff and logon to record user id and
password and then use that data to logon that is debatable. Theft implies that you were deprived of the use of your property. |
Not necessarily.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/business/showAr...
http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/08/technology/personaltech/inte...
Heard of someone arrested in Florida for this - don't have the article.
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