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Skeet/Loreto
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RATTLESS RATTLESNAKES ON ISLA CATALANA
If anyone has been to Isla Sta Catalana South of Loreto and observed the small Snakes please let me know.
Oh! so many years ago, that is before all the "Specie" Nuts were loose in the States, I took 3 of the small Rattless Snakes and planted them in a Den
near Sweetwater Texas, took 3 small Black Diamond s from that Den and planted them on Catalana near some Rattlelss Snakes.
I have examined both Types of these Snakes up until 2000, and to this date have not seen any example of the larger Snakes becoming Rattleless/nor the
small growing Rattles.
I would appreciate if anyone sees these snakes on the Island please let me know the details.
Skeet/Loreto
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That island and all those snakes are very well protected now and I'd be surprised if anybody on this board would be granted permission to visit the
island without scientific credentials and reasons to explore or investigate.
Skeet, you are perhaps the most endangered kind of wildlife around -- and you are perhaps the most dangerous kind as well. Not a very good idea for
well intentioned cowboys to mix and match with rare anythings anywhere.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Osprey:
Sorry, I did not see any Policemen guarding the Island the last time {Date Witheld} i had some very good Lobster from the Rocks on the Northwest side
of the island.
Weak Minded People Gamble with Money.
Strong Minded People \Gamble with Life.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Oh! so many years ago, that is before all the "Specie" Nuts were loose in the States, I took 3 of the small Rattless Snakes and planted them in a Den
near Sweetwater Texas, took 3 small Black Diamond s from that Den and planted them on Catalana near some Rattlelss Snakes.
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not the brightest bulb in the chandalier !!
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Many years ago. Desert evenings, lots of single and two-button cascabeles on the east side sand beach. Nature evolves things for brutal and
unforgiving reasons. I'd hate to think I was a miniature John Hammond.
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Skeet/Loreto
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There have been several Reports of Rattless Snakes in Arizona and on the Coast of Texas., From the photos I have seen I cannot make a judgement as to
their possible connection with any in Baja.
It might be that under certain Atmosphere Conditions that certain Snakes will change such as not developing a Rattler so that Birds cannot hear and be
warned.
diarroyo It also may be that Cowards do not take Risk, but prefer to set aside and make Dumb Statements.
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Osprey
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Skeeter, rattlers use the rattles to warn things that might harm or kill them of their presence. Over millions of years of isolation they might have
learned those they share the island with are not to be feared and adult birds cannot be food because of their size. Snakes have a simple switch: A
and E or E and E. Attack and Eat or Evade and Escape. Don't know why you can't devine that, Texas style if you never bothered to do any schoolhousin
of your own about your scaly brothers where you lived, here and in Texas.
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"diarroyo It also may be that Cowards do not take Risk, but prefer to set aside and make Dumb Statements."
WOW. Dumb statements don't lead to this as often as dumb actions taken by people willing to risk life or livelihood (usually not their own) who don't think before they act.
simple minded people gamble with life without thinking first.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Osprey;
I di and have looked into from a "Living wirh Snakes Idea". On the place I was rasied there is still one of the largest, if not the Largest Rattlesnak
Den Known.
I observed these snakes on a daily basis and when at Catalana I would do the same for several days.Also collected snakes East of Constitution where
some stories indicated that the Snakes would not Rattle before Striking.
Size does not count{My beleif} Have you ever been on a Horse that has been bitten by a Rattler?? I have two times! Once with a Mule.
I was ;plowing near the Creek one Day with a Team of Mules when a Fair size Rattler came from about 15 feet out of the weeds to get ole Jake.
Osprey, sometimes these so-called experts on a Specie does their study inside a Lab not out in the open. I question their results.
When I transplanted the Snakes I had in mind to see if possible they would transfer a gene from one to the other. The photos that I have seen of the
Texas Rattless snakes is very close in color but much larger.
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A long line of naturalists Linnaes, Darwin, Lamarck, Skeet.
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yyea. You're an intellectual powerhouse.
Why don't you explain to us why it is that your god made these rattleless snakes. Was it working on horse tails and snakes on the same day??  such a busy god!
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Skeet, let's hear your lecture on the Lyre snake. Lots of those in Baja. They are venemous, have no rattle. The Mexican name for the Lyre snake is
Sordo. Tell us why they call it the "Deaf" snake.
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In my 80 years of life, I have always had an interest in "The Reason behing Actions of Humans and Animals"'.
When I waqs in Japn for awhile during the Korean War, I would take a bicycle and go out into the Countside and talk to and observe the People and
their actions.
One action, that of cutting their right hand off if caught for stealing was an example.
Later While working in Yosemite Natl. Park as a House Detective I caught several different kinds of people{Judge, Nuns, Preacher and supposedly good
people stealing Curios from the Shops
Then later on while a Policeman /Investigator in Hollywood I became involed in a "Lis Renay" deal she was having with Dogs.
Then Later in South Central LA. working with a Mulatto Partner I observed some very different Human actions between Men and Women.
Then to East La where I observed some very Strong Gang Life
could we be like RattleSnakes? You can observe on this Board and thread several individuals that are UNABLE to answer a question or respond to an
inquiry with out some DIAPERHEADED COMMENT.
Is there anyone out there that has been to Isla Canalana and seen the snakes i am talking about??.
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I hiked that island in spring of 2003, when we were able to anchor overnight during a calm weather window. Saw some really beautiful giant cordon and
barrel cactus, but didn't see any rattleless rattlesnakes. But I'm pretty sure I heard one though . .
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Hi Skeet,
here is some info on the endemic snake on Isla Catalina: http://www.sdnhm.org/fieldguide/herps/crot-cat.html
Can you tell me where in Texas you released these snakes? I'd like to let the appropriate folks know there that an endangered non-native species was
released so they can take the necessary steps to remove them. I'm forwarding the thread.
Just a FYI on your premise, adaptation and evolution take a little longer than what you are thinking.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
If anyone has been to Isla Sta Catalana South of Loreto and observed the small Snakes please let me know.
Oh! so many years ago, that is before all the "Specie" Nuts were loose in the States, I took 3 of the small Rattless Snakes and planted them in a Den
near Sweetwater Texas, took 3 small Black Diamond s from that Den and planted them on Catalana near some Rattlelss Snakes.
I have examined both Types of these Snakes up until 2000, and to this date have not seen any example of the larger Snakes becoming Rattleless/nor the
small growing Rattles.
I would appreciate if anyone sees these snakes on the Island please let me know the details.
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skeet:
that's how "they" ruined the everglades!
some people with bright idea of letting pythons go wild in swamps!
and what about the people that inadvertently released zebra muscles into great lakes?
and what about the people that stupidly released texans into texas? not look at texas!
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Skeet/Loreto
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El Cap: Thanks for the report. When I camped there I usually was on the West side at the small Sand Beach. Just off the beach and up a small arroyo I
could locate several small dens and observe .
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Hey 69!
I did notreleae any endangered Specie!!
This was before any of those Nuts had created that bunch of Poop!
I would not tell anybody where I put the Snakes as I want to keep observing them and I have a Grand son that is real interested and will protect them
from the "Nuts".
I can just see some of those Nuts stomping along and gettin Bit 15 times before they ever get to the Den!!
No. Thanks for your Offer.. All my Photos and Papers are protected with a 30/30 Winchester Saddle Gun.
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Bad move, Skeet.
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| Quote: | You can observe on this Board and thread several individuals that are UNABLE to answer a question or respond to an inquiry with out some
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WOW . . . nuff said about ol Skeet ! 
Someone up Texas way there that can change his diaper ?  Poop happens ! 
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
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