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Bomberro
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Solders Searching Tourists in Los Barriles
Saturday, the Mexican Army set up a check point at the edge of Los Barriles on the beach road just North of town. They were stopping all cars and
going through purses and having the men empty pockets, and doing a very close inspection of the vehicles. They had one solder holding an M16, pointed
down, finger on the trigger guard, close by person being searched, ready to shoot. One couple I spoke with after being searched were upset by the
threat of being shot and the personal invasion. This area is in the La Paz jurisdiction and I have heard from some friends that live there, the new
Army General is not a nice person and is considered to be mean. I would think these solders were doing this at his direct orders, another bad thing
for Baja Tourism.
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Tbone
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Had the men empty their pockets? What are they looking for, a roach, really. Fine job boys, got 1 more roach off the street.
Mas Pacifico
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DENNIS
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This is ridiculous, police state crap. Why don't they just put an end to tourism?
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wilderone
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Why doesn't the USA just invade Baja Ca. and claim it as a territory, declare the entire peninsula a national park, hire park rangers, charge $25 at
the door for a carload, $10/night camping - some BLM land of course for free camping. Income taxes from all the "grandfathered in" farmers.
Lucrative leases from the Canadian miners - better yet, fine them big time for pollution violations. Set up some National Guard and Coast Guard
stations, a Navy port to keep our shores safe. Would be a great success.
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bajabass
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Then I would have to move another 1000 miles south!! No Way!!!!
Keep your eyes on the road, and your hands upon the wheel!
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Cisco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
Why doesn't the USA just invade Baja Ca. and claim it as a territory, declare the entire peninsula a national park, hire park rangers, charge $25 at
the door for a carload, $10/night camping - some BLM land of course for free camping. Income taxes from all the "grandfathered in" farmers.
Lucrative leases from the Canadian miners - better yet, fine them big time for pollution violations. Set up some National Guard and Coast Guard
stations, a Navy port to keep our shores safe. Would be a great success. |
Yeah. Lot's of illegal TSA and Homeland Security road stops and searches also.
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shari
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I have had my purse searched at the san ignacio checkpoint and at roving surprise checkpoints and seen men have to empty their pockets and even get
patted down...mexican men though. They are looking for drugs and guns in purses...while it is rare it happens, I figure it will increase as part of
the silly war on drugs. What's the point of having a checkpoint and trying to stop drug dealers if they cant look in your purse.. big purses sure
could hold alot of meth packages doncha think? and smugglers are smart...they could easily get some tourist girl or old dude in an RV to smuggle for
them.
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DENNIS
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It's harrasment....pure and simple. The military has the intel to know where the problems are, and it's not in old ladies purses or grandpa's
pockets.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
This is ridiculous, police state crap. Why don't they just put an end to tourism? |
They almost have!
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Wiles
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
It's harrasment....pure and simple. The military has the intel to know where the problems are, and it's not in old ladies purses or grandpa's
pockets. |
Well, maybe not grandpa's pockets, but.....
http://articles.kspr.com/2011-10-25/michigan-state-troopers_...
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Iflyfish
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We should thank them for their diligence. I thought we wanted drug crime stopped. I thought we wanted drugs made illegal. This is ultimately what a
War on Drugs ends up with. A police state. This is what full enforcement looks like.
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DENNIS
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If that happened ten thousand more times, it would still be considered an anomly.
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Mengano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
We should thank them for their diligence. I thought we wanted drug crime stopped. I thought we wanted drugs made illegal. This is ultimately what a
War on Drugs ends up with. A police state. This is what full enforcement looks like.
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It's what the war on drugs looks like in Mexico. The war on drugs started 40 years ago in the US and we still don't have a police state. We don't have
military check points all over the country, and in the US, police are not allowed to search you except with probable cause. Our military cannot
perform ordinary police investigation work (Posse Comitatus Act).
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
Why doesn't the USA just invade Baja Ca. and claim it as a territory, declare the entire peninsula a national park, hire park rangers, charge $25 at
the door for a carload, $10/night camping - some BLM land of course for free camping. Income taxes from all the "grandfathered in" farmers.
Lucrative leases from the Canadian miners - better yet, fine them big time for pollution violations. Set up some National Guard and Coast Guard
stations, a Navy port to keep our shores safe. Would be a great success. |
Yeah great idea!! Like Irak and Afghanistan?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
We should thank them for their diligence. |
Thank them, Rick? These methods are one step away from body cavity searches. We'll see how understanding you are when some uniformed Oaxacan has his
fingers up your butt.
In my opinion it's, as I said, harrasement and theatrics. They're fishing for reasons to turn predator, and/or they're making a misled effort to show
the travelling public that they are being diligent in their efforts to keep Baja safe.
Why, Rick, do you and others ignore the fact that the police and military are orchestrated by the cartels? Why do you never address that fact? Why
do you continue with your pollyanna attitude that the government authorities are out there soley for your benefit and protection?
You did the same thing with your Cd. Constitución effort, insisting that a more senior police officer, because he must be on a higher moral plateau,
would take your side and put a stop to all that nasty mordida.
Some people down here deserve exactly what they get for not pulling their heads out of fantasy land and seeing the structure for what it is. Corrupt
to the very core.
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bajaguy
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Police State???
| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
We should thank them for their diligence. I thought we wanted drug crime stopped. I thought we wanted drugs made illegal. This is ultimately what a
War on Drugs ends up with. A police state. This is what full enforcement looks like.
Iflyfish |
You people have no clue what a police state is.
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bajaguy
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More military checkpoints, more police checkpoints, more searches........
If it gets too repressive, leave the country, after all, we are guests here.
It's their country, not ours. You can't worry or do something more about someone elses problems than they do.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
You people have no clue what a police state is. |
Ohhhh...but I do.
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
You people have no clue what a police state is. |
Ohhhh...but I do. |
Maybe......ever been to Romania before the "revolution"?
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
We should thank them for their diligence. |
Thank them, Rick? These methods are one step away from body cavity searches. We'll see how understanding you are when some uniformed Oaxacan has his
fingers up your butt.
In my opinion it's, as I said, harrasement and theatrics. They're fishing for reasons to turn predator, and/or they're making a misled effort to show
the travelling public that they are being diligent in their efforts to keep Baja safe.
Why, Rick, do you and others ignore the fact that the police and military are orchestrated by the cartels? Why do you never address that fact? Why
do you continue with your pollyanna attitude that the government authorities are out there soley for your benefit and protection?
You did the same thing with your Cd. Constitución effort, insisting that a more senior police officer, because he must be on a higher moral plateau,
would take your side and put a stop to all that nasty mordida.
Some people down here deserve exactly what they get for not pulling their heads out of fantasy land and seeing the structure for what it is. Corrupt
to the very core. |
"Uniformed Oaxacan"? You're killing me Dennis.
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