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RnR
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Guerrero Negro Bug Spray Goes Organic!
For What it's Worth ....
There was a very official looking individual standing with the bug spray money collector/receipt dispenser person when we passed through the station
about a month ago. It was a nice day, no traffic, and the official was talkative.
I asked him what chemical was being used in the spray. To my surprise, he said "extracto de canela organico". Or, organic extract of cinnamon!
He then launched into a discussion of how effective it is, where it's produced on the mainland, how safe it is, they don't need to wear masks at the
station any more, etc. He then wiped a rag near the spray bar and brought it over for a sniff/sample. Guess what? A very faint odor of cinnamon.
So, maybe we're not being poisioned any more but it still costs $20 pesos to go south. 
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woody with a view
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who needs deodorant? 
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larryC
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I also went through about a month ago. Not sure if it was the same guy but someone tried to charge me 20 p. I said "no quierro" and he said "then roll
up your windows and go" so I did, no charge.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RnR
For What it's Worth ....
There was a very official looking individual standing with the bug spray money collector/receipt dispenser person when we passed through the station
about a month ago. It was a nice day, no traffic, and the official was talkative.
I asked him what chemical was being used in the spray. To my surprise, he said "extracto de canela organico". Or, organic extract of cinnamon!
He then launched into a discussion of how effective it is, where it's produced on the mainland, how safe it is, they don't need to wear masks at the
station any more, etc. He then wiped a rag near the spray bar and brought it over for a sniff/sample. Guess what? A very faint odor of cinnamon.
So, maybe we're not being poisioned any more but it still costs $20 pesos to go south. |
Very good for the environment. Good post. Txs.
To further your reading on organics ..........
http://www.firstrays.com/remedies.htm
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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zforbes
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I haven't had to pay anything to cross through there recently (no attendant), but not so long ago, they tried to charge me 20 pesos instead of 10. To
convince me that it really was a change to 20 pesos, the attendant showed me the back of the ticket that lists 20 pesos. I blew him off -- 10 pesos or
nothing. It turns out, if you examine the back of the ticket...there are two rates listed for different types of vehicles. His clever finger placement
managed to cover up the 10 peso charge that was due from me. So if you are driving a regular vehicle...well, make your own decision about how you
might want to handle the 10 peso extortion. It ain't a lot of money...but!
\"You cannot prevent the birds of sadness from passing over your head, but you can prevent them from nesting in your hair.\"
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castaway$
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Cinnamon is one of the ingredients the hippies spray on there pot plants to get rid of bugs up here in So. Oregon, at least thats what I have been
told
Live Indubiously!
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Hmm, and I thought is was just plumbed to the urinals.
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RnR
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| Quote: | Originally posted by castaway$
Cinnamon is one of the ingredients the hippies spray on there pot plants to get rid of bugs up here in So. Oregon, at least thats what I have been
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Time to buy stock in cinnamon plantations if Mexico's growers start using it on their plants. 
[Edited on 12-3-2011 by RnR]
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That"s it! I'm no longer sticking my head out the window.
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rhintransit
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good grief. 10 pesos, 20 pesos. so what?
I came through last weekend, went through the drill. paid my 20 pesos to one guy, then immigration came out and handed me a receipt (which listed 20
pesos as the correct price), asked to check my visa, looked at my FM2 and told me to roll up my window for the spray. big deal, guys, now you can't
even complain about the toxic fumes.
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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BUT the real questions is-
...do my tires really need a spice spray to be happy? WTF! How Mexican to think they can get away with this stuff..and they are. Go figure
Things are expensive, but at least we get a free trip around the sun once a year
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In 1976 I crossed the Northern Nicaraguan border after dark. As we approached a soldier in the total darkness and while clinging to the open driver
window, rode with us as a guide into the border station...completely void of light. He motioned us to follow him and as we crossed a tiled entry area
in front of the building, we slid and slipped across the surface as if it was covered in ice.
The constant buzzing around our heads and impacts of unkown flying things were revealed when he opened a door and grabbed us by the clothing, dragging
us into a darkened room and then flipped on what was an office room light. It immediately sounded as if there was rain pounding against the exterior
window but it turned out to be thousands of flying bugs of all differant kinds.
After the immigration process was completed by the half dozen officers in the room, the light went off, the door was opened, and after we exited the
light came back on long enough to help us find our van in the dark out front and get inside. The whole time we had to bend down about 3 feet off the
ground and crouch walk below the line of bug flight as if in a smoke filled room. The tile was slippery from all the carcasses of bugs turned to slime
from walking on them!
We fired up our VW bus and moved a few feet forward to where a rope was strung across the dirt road. A guy came to us with full hoody on revealing
only his eyes, fired up a gas device strapped to his back and completely enveloped our van in a white cloud of smoke...BUG SPRAY! We paid a small sum
and were given a fumigation ticket!
I could never understand what was on our van that was not in the bug filled swamp land we were traversing.
This is what comes to me when I cross the GN fumigation line...off and on enforcement, massive land exposure to any insect, and what of the bug stuck
in all the crap tied down on the top of my van?
AND, it seems to me, how do I know that cinnamon perfume is not just a cover up for something that can kill anything but me?
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by paranewbi
In 1976 I crossed the Northern Nicaraguan border after dark. As we approached a soldier in the total darkness and while clinging to the open driver
window, rode with us as a guide into the border station...completely void of light. He motioned us to follow him and as we crossed a tiled entry area
in front of the building, we slid and slipped across the surface as if it was covered in ice.
The constant buzzing around our heads and impacts of unkown flying things were revealed when he opened a door and grabbed us by the clothing, dragging
us into a darkened room and then flipped on what was an office room light. It immediately sounded as if there was rain pounding against the exterior
window but it turned out to be thousands of flying bugs of all differant kinds.
After the immigration process was completed by the half dozen officers in the room, the light went off, the door was opened, and after we exited the
light came back on long enough to help us find our van in the dark out front and get inside. The whole time we had to bend down about 3 feet off the
ground and crouch walk below the line of bug flight as if in a smoke filled room. The tile was slippery from all the carcasses of bugs turned to slime
from walking on them!
We fired up our VW bus and moved a few feet forward to where a rope was strung across the dirt road. A guy came to us with full hoody on revealing
only his eyes, fired up a gas device strapped to his back and completely enveloped our van in a white cloud of smoke...BUG SPRAY! We paid a small sum
and were given a fumigation ticket!
I could never understand what was on our van that was not in the bug filled swamp land we were traversing.
This is what comes to me when I cross the GN fumigation line...off and on enforcement, massive land exposure to any insect, and what of the bug stuck
in all the crap tied down on the top of my van?
AND, it seems to me, how do I know that cinnamon perfume is not just a cover up for something that can kill anything but me? |
GREAT story to read, txs!
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by paranewbi
AND, it seems to me, how do I know that cinnamon perfume is not just a cover up for something that can kill anything but me? |
First thing that crossed my mind. I think I'm going to park and ask if I can see the product container to put an end to it in my mind. Not to worry we
travel in Mexico legally.
10 or 20 Pesos? God I hope yall are tipping your gas station attendants and servers without such reluctance 
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The cinnamon spray is not effective and frankly the whole idea spraying vehicles heading south is downright stupid. There are hardly any pests in the
north that are not already in the south anyway. Also, the odds of anything surviving 500 miles under a car on the way to Guerrero Negro is pretty
slim. Heck, the journey is way more effective than the dumb air freshener they are going to spray. This is nothing more than job creation to soak a
few more pesos from the tourists and whoever else is forced to pay it. But then again, it is cheap so for most of us it is just a minor annoyance on
the way south that I don't get too upset over paying. It does feel good to complain about it though! 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bugman
This is nothing more than job creation to soak a few more pesos from the tourists and whoever else is forced to pay it. But then again, it is cheap
so for most of us it is just a minor annoyance on the way south that I don't get too upset over paying. It does feel good to complain about it
though! |
Pretty much my thinking on this, too. And, like you, I don't get worked up about it.
Placing it in perspective: while visiting the Palenque archaeological site two summers ago, we had to pay a fee of 50 pesos per person (or so) just to
use the road to get to the archaelogical site since the road passed through a protected forest (or some justification like that). What I noticed was
that the road tax was only charged to out-of-state plates going through. Once at the site, we had to pay an entry fee to see the ruins, plus fees for
cameras and video cameras that we had.
While I enjoyed the archaeology of the Yucatan peninsula, I much prefer to pay the 10 or 20 pesos for access to BCS.
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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Bugman...I think your onto something with the job creation program. Once in Mazatlan I approached a 'T' in the road that had a center midian in the
shape of a triangle, pretty good sized to. Must have been at least 10 guys with machettes cutting the grass by hand. Would have took 5 minutes with a
lawn mower but then it does keep the riots down.
Bajatripper...if you had walked the path up the road to palenque you would have found the local vendors beckoning your attention from the bushes on
the right hand side (by the hidden cow field). An arm extends out of the bushes with a small baggie of mushrooms! Not to far up from the RV / camping
park on the left, a mile before the rise, just beyond where the guy fires up his moto-glider for the air tours, clear baggies with undried content
right off the 'farm' (poo), which I know nothing about what were we
talking about?
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zforbes
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Hey Rat...looks like you are a neighbor and I'd like to say hello...For what it's worth, I do tip, and generously, for services rendered. And 10 or 20
pesos is small potatoes. I just found it mildly annoying to be told a fee that was not correct (at least at that time; maybe it has changed)...and as
Bugman pointed out, it feels good to complain about it.
Not sure who you are in the regular world, but I imagine we will become acquainted...BA is a small community.
\"You cannot prevent the birds of sadness from passing over your head, but you can prevent them from nesting in your hair.\"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bugman
This is nothing more than job creation to soak a few more pesos from the tourists and whoever else is forced to pay it. But then again, it is cheap
so for most of us it is just a minor annoyance on the way south that I don't get too upset over paying. It does feel good to complain about it
though! |
Pretty much my thinking on this, too. And, like you, I don't get worked up about it.
Placing it in perspective: while visiting the Palenque archaeological site two summers ago, we had to pay a fee of 50 pesos per person (or so) just to
use the road to get to the archaelogical site since the road passed through a protected forest (or some justification like that). What I noticed was
that the road tax was only charged to out-of-state plates going through. Once at the site, we had to pay an entry fee to see the ruins, plus fees for
cameras and video cameras that we had.
While I enjoyed the archaeology of the Yucatan peninsula, I much prefer to pay the 10 or 20 pesos for access to BCS. |
There's hope for you still! Taxes that you don't like!!! This is progress!!
Just having fun with you Steve!
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bugman
This is nothing more than job creation to soak a few more pesos from the tourists and whoever else is forced to pay it. But then again, it is cheap
so for most of us it is just a minor annoyance on the way south that I don't get too upset over paying. It does feel good to complain about it
though! |
Pretty much my thinking on this, too. And, like you, I don't get worked up about it.
Placing it in perspective: while visiting the Palenque archaeological site two summers ago, we had to pay a fee of 50 pesos per person (or so) just to
use the road to get to the archaelogical site since the road passed through a protected forest (or some justification like that). What I noticed was
that the road tax was only charged to out-of-state plates going through. Once at the site, we had to pay an entry fee to see the ruins, plus fees for
cameras and video cameras that we had.
While I enjoyed the archaeology of the Yucatan peninsula, I much prefer to pay the 10 or 20 pesos for access to BCS. |
There's hope for you still! Taxes that you don't like!!! This is progress!!
Just having fun with you Steve! |
And where, David, did I say I minded paying those taxes? I said I prefer paying the "road tax" for access to Baja, but that's because I love Baja and
only like Palenque. But I ALWAYS enjoy paying taxes. It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it!
Just funnin' with you, David. Actually, I hate paying taxes as much as the next person, but look at them as a necessary evil, the price of maintaining
a civil society. Having lived or traveled in places where taxes are low and seeing what the results are, I much prefer paying taxes and enjoying the
benefits they pay for--not the least of which is peace of mind. Aside from paying for the infrastructure that made our nation great (there's no such
thing as a self-made millionaire; every one of them did it with taxpayer assistance), I think one of the most important aspects of taxes is paying for
the social safety net. When people get desperate because they and their children are hungry or living in the street, they have little recourse but to
turn to illegal means to obtain life's necessities. I, for one, would rather pay taxes to the government than pay taxes through hold ups, armed
robbery, larceny, having people break into my car, etc. etc.
If you don't think paying taxes is worth it, you should try living in a place like the Philippines for a while and see how much piece of mind you
enjoy while there.
In short, many Americans like to brag about the greatness of our nation, yet don't want to pay to keep it great. Having the world's most powerful
military doesn't make a nation great. What does is how well it cares for its most vulnerable members.
But I digress, back to Baja...you coming down this way this winter?
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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