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Drivers Head South To Mexico For Cheaper Gas
This excerpt is def news to me, and I don't believe it is true:
“There may be an unknown quality of the gasoline that they're purchasing in Mexico, and they certainly likely would void the warranty of their
vehicles' engines,” Dehaan said.
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/03/19/us-drivers-...
"As gas prices skyrocket, drivers are looking south of the border for some alternatives to ease the pain at the pump.
But there's growing concern that bargain-seekers could be putting their lives at risk. The national average for a gallon of gas is hovering around
$3.80 right now -- $4.35 in California, according to AAA, and some analysts think it'll keep climbing as we head into summer.
So it's no wonder in cities along the border -- people are driving into Mexico to fill up their tanks -- where the price for a gallon of gas is around
a $1.50 less. "I do work with a lot of people who do go across the border for gas and other stuff, but they're risking their lives. There's no way I
would do it," said Elizabeth Perdoza, a driver from El Paso.
And that's one worry. The U.S. State Department has issued travel alerts because of drug cartel violence. "It just goes to show how much Americans
believe in low gas prices and how far they're willing to go,” said Patrick Dehaan, senior petroleum analyst for GasBuddy.com.
The reason it's so cheap is because the Mexican government regulates prices. "The economy relies on cheaper gasoline, because residents can't afford
the higher cost,” Dehaan said.
But while the price may be right for some -- the same can't always be said about how good the product is. “There may be an unknown quality of the
gasoline that they're purchasing in Mexico, and they certainly likely would void the warranty of their vehicles' engines,” Dehaan said. That's not
going to stop some drivers who say if prices keep rising, Mexico is one way to help get by. "For $5 down here, and cheaper down there -- like around
$2 a gallon -- I would go down there," said truck driver David Flores.
There's no way to really track how many American drivers are going to Mexico for fuel -- but analysts at GasBuddy.com estimate it's in the thousands."
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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David K
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Mexican gas is better... no stinkin' ethynol, so your mileage will go up... using less fuel and that is better for the enviroment then putting corn
syrup in your car!
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Pompano
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Hmmm...I have been using Mexican petroleum products steadily from November through May annually for 40 years now...never had any engine problems due
to the fuel produced in Mexico.
If I were a US border resident I would naturally take advantage of the fuel price difference. But...seeing as how North Dakota is on the border with
Canada..not Mexico...I will pass on driving there to top off my tanks.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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J.P.
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Don't the Pemex Stations in the Border Region Usuall raise the price to discourage border jumpers buying gasoline
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better gas
DAVID, is correct !! (again)......K&T
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Some time back I recieved a detailed message from a BCS
resident, in such detail I would not doubt his
conclusion, that contrary to the above opinions
that Mex gas is far inferior to the US. Octane
that Pemex lists is subsatncially lower than claimed. I can
get to San Felipe and back without getting Mex
gas, sometimes tasking a 5 gal can of US gas,
I aviod Mex gas if possible
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by J.P.
Don't the Pemex Stations in the Border Region Usuall raise the price to discourage border jumpers buying gasoline |
Back when the U.S. prices were lower than Mexico's (yes, during those bad Bush years)... the Pemex stations demanded that they have prices that stayed
near U.S. prices so their customers would not cross north to buy cheaper U.S. gasoline!
Pemex granted them that wish, but they made it clear it wouldn't do it again... Thus, the border region prices were matched... but now, with U.S.
prices higher than Mexico's... the border area Mexicans can drive 20 kms. south for the standard gas price.
Be careful what you wish for, is the lesson learned!
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J.P.
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I really wasnt looking for a lesson just stating what i know.
My cars havent had any gas from NOB for so long they probably wouldnt burn it.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
Some time back I recieved a detailed message from a BCS
resident, in such detail I would not doubt his
conclusion, that contrary to the above opinions
that Mex gas is far inferior to the US. Octane
that Pemex lists is subsatncially lower than claimed. I can
get to San Felipe and back without getting Mex
gas, sometimes tasking a 5 gal can of US gas,
I aviod Mex gas if possible |
Back 20+ years or more ago, Pemex octane was different and lower.
Around 1973, they renamed their regular Supermex to 'Nova'... and despite a higher claim it only had an octane of 79.
Their higher grade 'Extra' was unleaded and about 87 octane. The problem was outside of cities, you could only get Nova... so we either added octane
booster or retaded our engine timing to prevent pinging. Nova translates to 'Doesn't Go'!
Later, they dropped Nova and changed Extra to 'Magna Sin' and added 'Premium'. The octane ratings match U.S. ratings now... and much of Pemex gas is
refined in Texas.
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bent-rim
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I've never goten bad gas in Baja. At least in my truck or motorcycles. Me personaly, yes.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by J.P.
I really wasnt looking for a lesson just stating what i know.
My cars havent had any gas from NOB for so long they probably wouldnt burn it. |
You did ask a question:
"Don't the Pemex Stations in the Border Region Usuall raise the price to discourage border jumpers buying gasoline"
So, I thought you would like an answer... and I do try to be complete... there are thousands reading Baja Nomad, so the info. can be appreciated by
more amigos. No lesson intended.
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mes1952
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I have been using Pemex gas for almost 2 years and NEVER buy American gas and not had any problems with my Toyota RAV4.
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nbacc
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Never had any problems with Baja gas but to go over to get it........hum. Unless I had Sentri the wait in line would not be worth it on most days.
Nancy
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high fructose corn syrup
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Mexican gas is better... no stinkin' ethynol, so your mileage will go up... using less fuel and that is better for the enviroment then putting corn
syrup in your car! |
ethanol derived from corn is very different than corn syrup,... but your point reminded me of an interesting study. gringos eat a lot of corn syrup,
and gringos are getting heavier.
ethanol addditive as a fuel oxygenate to improve our air quality may result in a few percent decline in vehicle mileage, but increasing girth of is
wasting more fuel:
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Fat weighs on fuel efficiency
from Oil and Gas Journal
09/06/2010
Advocates who want to reduce the use of fossil fuels through improved mileage for gasoline and diesel vehicles have a new target—human fat.
No, they're not talking some macabre new biofuel. They're simply pointing out that it takes more fuel for big-bellied, broad-butted Bubba to drive
around in his full-size pickup truck than for skinny Minnie in her small economy vehicle.
"One socioeconomic implication of obesity is that it reduces passenger vehicle fuel economy," said Sheldon H. Jacobson, director of the simulation and
optimization laboratory in the computer science department at the University of Illinois.
In 2006, Jacobson and doctoral student Laura McLay found US cars and light trucks consumed as much as 938 million gal/year of additional fuel due to
the increased number of overweight and obese motorists since the 1960s.
In a follow-up study in 2008, Jacobson and doctoral student Douglas King found the amount of additional fuel escalated some 200 million gal to 1.137
billion gal/year, said a University of Illinois article on the web site, ww.physorg.com.
Jacobson estimates more than 39 million gal/year of fuel are necessary to transport each additional 1 lb of average gain among US motorists.
Just as smaller, lighter alternative vehicles are coming on the market, US residents are getting bigger.
"Without taking into consideration the growth trend of overweight and obesity and its impact on vehicle demand, long-term government interventions are
likely to miss the intended policy goals in reducing gasoline consumption and carbon dioxide emissions," said Shanjun Li, Yanyan Liu, and Junjie Zhang
in a 2009 discussion paper for Resources of the Future, Washington, DC.
They said, "Our simulation results suggest that if the rate of overweight and obesity in 2005 had stayed at the 1981 level (20 percentage points
lower), the average mpg of new vehicles demanded would have been 24.04 instead of 22.99. This implies a 4.6% saving in gasoline consumption over
vehicles' lifetime."
Size offsets engineering
Obesity is offsetting automobile engineering for better fuel economy. The auto industry has a fuel economy target of 24 mpg for 2011 model light
trucks that is expected to save more than 250 million gal/year of fuel. But according to Jacobson and McLay, that savings will be eliminated by
increased fuel consumption due to an average weight gain of 6.4 lb among US residents.
A motorist who can barely squeeze his broad bottom into a booth at his favorite all-you-can-eat buffet isn't likely to shoehorn himself into a
fuel-efficient mini-vehicle that looks like it might crumple like an aluminum can under his weight. Portly drivers are more likely to opt for
full-size vehicles that provide more room and comfort. And even then, they may not click on seatbelts that aren't designed for people their size.
In addition to getting fatter, US residents also are getting taller, up an additional inch since the 1960s, Jacobson reported. "To address this, our
new study looked at the distribution of body mass index, instead of the distribution of weight," he said.
CDC weighs in
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta said in August the US overall estimated prevalence of obesity was 26.7%, up from 25.6% in
2007, 23.9% in 2005, and 19.8% in 2000.
CDC reported the prevalence of adult obesity ranged from 18.6% in Colorado to 34.4% in Mississippi. No state met the Healthy People 2010 minimal
obesity target of 15%, but nine had obesity prevalence greater than 30%, compared with none in 2000.
US problems with obesity and fuel-dependency are so inner-twined "we cannot hope to tackle one without also tackling the other," Jacobson said.
"The growing obesity problem is a major symptom of our nation's addiction to oil. We prefer to ride when we should walk."
Nor is the problem limited to the US.
Jacobson cited "a recent surge in overweight and obesity rates in China" that he claims correlates with increased automobile ownership, indicating the
problem will become international as more nations become affluent.
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so do pemex stations close to the border charge more and if they do how far south till they dont?
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
so do pemex stations close to the border charge more and if they do how far south till they dont? |
In my reply above: " ... Thus, the border region prices were matched... but now, with U.S. prices higher than Mexico's... the border area Mexicans can
drive 20 kms. south for the standard gas price."
That is the 20 km. south of the border, not just border crossings. La Rumorosa (for example) is over 20 km. from Mexicali or Tecate, but is right near
the border itself... and it has the higher prices.
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BajaGeoff
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Pemex really had a gas product called Nova?
"No va" translates to "doesn't go"! 
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willardguy
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what do ya figure the dollar difference is between border and 20km price. and where does rosarito land? thanks
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bajagrouper
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I crossed 2 weeks ago at Sonoyta / Lukeville, the gas purchased about a mile from the border was 9.91 pesos per liter the same as the mainland
price....
My car has an onboard computer that shows MPG and in the US I get 30 MPG, in Mexico I get 37 MPG....go figure.......
I hear the whales song
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At least in the San Diego area, if you need to drive to Mexico to get gas to save a few dollars, you need to get a life...my time is far more
valuable.
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