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cj5orion
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not to "mess with" the "tin boat" thread...but ?
If you in were upgrade from a tin boat....what would ya get?
I currently have a 12' Avon inflatable with a 40 hp 2 stroke Tohatsu,the Tohatsu is CONSTANLY giving me problems !
I'm getting to old to be bounced around in the inflatable !
So...I'm thinking of upgrading to a nice lil runabout ?
Something used,16' and up
Gonzaga Bay,Isle's,Calamue,etc
Question...outboard ? 2 stroke ? 4 stoke ?
I/O ? size ? etc,etc
opinions...comments
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that 40 is way too big for a 12'er, but you prolly know that. my 25hp came off a 12' avon!
find the boat that fits your budget is the only help i can give. okay, maybe just over your budget!!!
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16 feet and up are pretty hard to beach launch. Calamajue doesn't have a ramp. Gonzaga does have a ramp but the waves come in sideways to the ramp,
driving you from left to right as you're launching. No bueno.
To reach remote beaches you will have to often cross miles of heavy washboard. You shouldn't do that with your motor mounted on the transom. So you
need a motor light enough to lift on and off the transom, usually several times per trip. I can't lift anything more than a 25hp motor. A 16 foot boat
is going to require more than that.
For remote tin boat fishing I would say 14' or less.
That's my 2 cents.
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20" transoms (motor mount to bottom, middle of the boat) will allow for more motor options than 15" transoms, unless you install a jack plate. I don't
know how well jack plates work. Anybody have experience with them? My boat has a 15" transom.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
20" transoms (motor mount to bottom, middle of the boat) will allow for more motor options than 15" transoms, unless you install a jack plate. I don't
know how well jack plates work. Anybody have experience with them? My boat has a 15" transom. |
Don't understand your allow for more options statement as it regards smaller motors. Short shaft is 15", long shaft is 20". Order whatever.
20" transom is 5" higher of course than the 15", that can be good or bad depending on the utilization of the boat. I personally prefer a well for the
engine just to keep it in the boat and make it easier to work large fish or nets...off the transom without interference.
Would definitely go with an outboard for many reasons and a four-stroke Honda or Yamaha would be my choice. They are just so good now days.
Unless you absolutely need a larger boat I would restrict the size of the skiff to fit on top of your primary vehicle as boats on trailers are a
hassle and do not stay together on Baja roads.
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I totally agree with Cisco on this one.
I have used home-made "jack plates" in the past when we only had a "long shank" motor to deal with (no short shank available)--------it worked fine,
but the motor being so high did get in the way. We used them on our large white-water rafts in Utah, mostly to keep the motor as high out of the
water as possible, less they flood out in the rapids.
Barry
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cj5orion
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
16 feet and up are pretty hard to beach launch. Calamajue doesn't have a ramp. Gonzaga does have a ramp but the waves come in sideways to the ramp,
driving you from left to right as you're launching. No bueno.
To reach remote beaches you will have to often cross miles of heavy washboard. You shouldn't do that with your motor mounted on the transom. So you
need a motor light enough to lift on and off the transom, usually several times per trip. I can't lift anything more than a 25hp motor. A 16 foot boat
is going to require more than that.
For remote tin boat fishing I would say 14' or less.
That's my 2 cents. |
Na ! not worried bout that.
I'm gonna keep the boat here at Gonzaga,jus launch/retrieve from Alfy's,the boat wont be traveling on any dirt roads cept
palapa to Alfy's.
I'm "concerned" about seaworthiness of various makes,models,size,etc.
You all know how "remote" Calamue is....ya dont wanna have
any "issues" with your boat there ! or say maybe goin 5-10 miles out for some do-do's,etc,etc
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| Quote: | Originally posted by cj5orion
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
16 feet and up are pretty hard to beach launch. Calamajue doesn't have a ramp. Gonzaga does have a ramp but the waves come in sideways to the ramp,
driving you from left to right as you're launching. No bueno.
To reach remote beaches you will have to often cross miles of heavy washboard. You shouldn't do that with your motor mounted on the transom. So you
need a motor light enough to lift on and off the transom, usually several times per trip. I can't lift anything more than a 25hp motor. A 16 foot boat
is going to require more than that.
For remote tin boat fishing I would say 14' or less.
That's my 2 cents. |
Na ! not worried bout that.
I'm gonna keep the boat here at Gonzaga,jus launch/retrieve from Alfy's,the boat wont be traveling on any dirt roads cept
palapa to Alfy's.
I'm "concerned" about seaworthiness of various makes,models,size,etc.
You all know how "remote" Calamue is....ya dont wanna have
any "issues" with your boat there ! or say maybe goin 5-10 miles out for some do-do's,etc,etc |
Wow, you're in P.B. also. I'm over on Emerald right now.
To expand a little on the boat part understanding that it will not have to travel by land on a trailer long distances on Baja roads. You can go to any
size you wish. My choice would be a 22' panga with a tiller steered whatever four stroke, depending on your usage probably a 90 hp if you keep the
boat light. No console, no garbage, no weight.
Use what works locally. Pangas are an excellent design for what they are used for and where. I had two of Mac Schroyer's pangas brought up in the
late 1970's to San Diego but they just didn't fish like the San Diego design skiffs we were using.
Seaworthiness is a function of design not size and the pangas are great for where you will be operating. San Diego, different deal and I fished my 20'
SoCal designs commonly at Cortez and Tanner banks which are over 100 miles west of the P.B. pier. Panga would have been fine for safe but not comfort
on those kind of trips.
If you are a belt and suspenders kind of guy don't do twin engines (for a lot of reasons) for a "come-home". Pick up a four stroke Briggs and Stratton
(uses same fuel) air-cooled, light weight and stash it in the boat someplace. Make sure and have a mounting plate at 15" for the engine on the transom
if you go to a 20" transom.
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That is one lonely section of water.Get a good used older whaler with a bimini, put a reliable fourstroke on it. You will have good fuel milage,
shade
when you need it, and a proven hull.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vacaenbaja
That is one lonely section of water.Get a good used older whaler with a bimini, put a reliable fourstroke on it. You will have good fuel milage,
shade
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I have a friend in I.B. that might sell you his "outrage" if you decide to go that way.
Although I am a big fan of Whalers and Carolina Skiffs in the right environment (speaking older tri-hull Whalers) they will beat you to death in any
kind of chop and are not a good choice for ocean work.
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Have spent a good deal of time in open water onboard a Seacraft. They're tuff and can carry a load. Those Whalers and Carolina Skiffs are just that,
Skiffs. Good for bays and smooth water, but not the best choice for open water.
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Well if you want to go further out than inshore and are worried about hull configuration I think that you can find
a good deal on an Invader center console. They come in
sizes from 17ft to I think 21 ft. They were made in the mid eighties to mid nineties or so out of Texas. They seem to
be going for a resonable price.
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VERY GOOD INFO !
THANX MUCH GENTS !
keep en comin.
hey cisco...when I get back we should have a beer.
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OK. this is the facts...... short shaft 15'(few optains).. standard shaft 20' many optains... 25 shaft larger hp only...and the guy that wrote" baja
catch" has a LOT to learn about boats and fishing baja !! K & T  PS..HEY
"cisco" I know mac and he and mary are AWsome folk's !! but pangas lack a good ride and are HEAVY and wet ..much better boats are avable !! like the
"TWIN VEE'S"
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For the ride and conditions you describe, it would be hard to find a better boat than an ARCA type of Panga which were built by Shoyer and was the
predominate boat in most of Baja. Perhaps an even better hull is the Reformania which is built in Sonora and has slightly higher sides towards the
stern. There are a fair number of these boats that were converted to a side console which works very well on the Sea of Cortez and gives you a lot of
fishing room and move around availability, and in terms of fishability is superior to a Center console. Only in a very heavy breeze at 90 degrees to
the boat will you get some side spray. I have a friend here in the Santa Rosalia area that has one of these fixed up with a 55 HP Honda and he makes
frequent runs out to Tortuga Island and sips about 5 or 6 gallons of gas for the day. He is comfortable with up to 4 people but 2 or 3 is better.
Since you do not need a long haul trailer, the Mexican built trailers would probably suffice for short hauls with a little maintence.
I have seen a lot of tin boats, Gregor being the best, adapted to usage in the Sea of Cortez. The best set up where they mounted a set of wheels
on the center of balance and one person could launch this boat over some nasty beach and rock. They normally used around a 15 hp motor and most had
some type of live bait tank as well as a radio and depth finder. Every boat that I watched over a long period of time did develop some cracks which
needed aluminum welding. That was part of the price for usage and just something that had to be done. Mostly these boats were good for one person
and would do with a second person. At San Lucas Cove I saw them catch everything from big Yellowtail, Dorado, Billfish, Grouper, and inshore species.
Gregor was the best, followed by Valco's, Klamath, and a few others, but it was imperative that the boat was welded. Rivet boats usually only lasted
a partial season before leaking like crazy.
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my Valco requires a new liberal smearing of silicone along the transom rivets every other year. other that the rock than pinholed up front i have been
lucky i suppose...
edit: rivets
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pangas SUCK for the ride
same old story around here !! open your eyes and take alot of boats for a ride in rough sea's and A monohull CAN NOT compare to a CAT !! I run,repair
and have guided from alaska to costa rica with the cook islands tossed in !! and you might say boating is my life and passion and at 95hr I dont get
that kind of pay because I dont know boats!!!
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Agreed.
I think Pangas are good boats for the Cortez...but..."they do suck for the ride"
I AM lookin for a comfortatable ride as well !
Captkw....wish I could afford a "powered" cat ! great boats !
Cause its gonna be a "permanent" Baja boat...I'm not lookin (or able) to sink a lot of $ into it.
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Hola,maybe you can call 'TWIN VEE'or LIVINGSTON and tell them you would like to be a dealer for them and they could give you a "demo" and just take
folks out when its snoty...they basicly sell themselfs !! also ck out "zapcats" on you tube and also "DUX" boats..K & T those zapcat races must be
a BLAST !! I would post the Y.T. vids but I slow on this lap top ..
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20" transoms (motor mount to bottom, middle of the boat) will allow for more motor options than 15" transoms, unless you install a jack plate. I don't
know how well jack plates work. Anybody have experience with them? My boat has a 15" transom. |
Don't understand your allow for more options statement as it regards smaller motors. Short shaft is 15", long shaft is 20". Order whatever.
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I think you do understand, it limits you to smaller motors, as you said. In the case of Honda, 30 hp or less. The original post mentioned a 16'
runabout. My 14 footer is rated to 40 hp and I was disappointed that I can't find a 40 short shaft. I want to pull a skier or wake boarder. Great fun
and Bahia Concepcion is a perfect place for it. 30 hp will work, just not as well. I guess most boaters are fishermen and therefore smaller tiller
motors are OK. I'm not, I like to go fast on calm water, with a steering wheel and remote controls, a runabout.
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