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BajaBlanca
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4 dead turtles - 1 sea lion (now more than 24)
so, yesterday I was walking on the beach and saw a huge dead turtle - a couple hundred pounds (I think). I figured it had died a natural death.
then
Today I went for a walk on the beach and I saw another turtle down the other end of the beach. Same size if not bigger.
Is it possible it is the very hot waters of the Pacific that are killing these guys ? The water is really very hot these days.
edit: I added 2 more turtles n 1 sea lion from 9/6/12
[Edited on 9-7-2012 by BajaBlanca]
[Edited on 9-12-2012 by BajaBlanca]
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The water temp was 89 in Mulege last month... We only saw tons of live tortuga's.
Shouldn\'t one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check or Sec.8 housing?
........... I had to pass one to earn it for them!
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Hot Pacific??? Don't they thrive along tropical beaches in much warmer water than the Eastern Pacific's southbound current?
Loggerhead Sea Turtle:
This is the only sea turtle that can nest successfully outside of the tropics, but the summer surface water temperature must be over 68 degrees
Fahrenheit. As with other sea turtles, females return to lay their eggs on or near the same beach where they hatched. Unlike other sea turtles,
courtship and mating usually do not take place near the nesting beach, but rather along the migration routes between feeding and breeding grounds.
Females may nest several times during a breeding season (April - September), laying as many as 190 soft, round white eggs per nest. The eggs incubate
in the sand for 55 to 62 days. The incubation period is longer when the weather is cool, and there is evidence that cooler incubation temperatures
produce more male hatchlings. Hatchlings emerge from the nest mostly at night. After the majority of the hatchlings appear at the surface of the nest,
they start a frenzied race toward the surf and out to sea.
[Edited on 9-6-2012 by David K]
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Blanca
Blanca, do you have Jamie Morales's phone number? If not, I will send it to you.
Call him. At this time, they have found over 45 dead Loggerhead turtles in the San Hipolito and La Bocana area and they say it happens every 3 years
or so. They don't know why but they are sending some to La Paz to study. It is a really sad thing!
Jamie, his family, members of Costasavalje Bahia Asuncion, and the marines have been involved in this, including the burial of the turtles. It is a
part of Jamie's job to record all the information about any dead turtle --- there are pictures on the Costasavalje, Bahia Asuncion facebook page of
this recent mass death.
Whenever even a solo turtle is discovered, he is called and he records the information and he and his family bury the turtle.
[Edited on 9-6-2012 by DianaT]
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I've seen at least 3 sea turtles in the last 2 offshore trips heading south from San Diego.
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I have noticed seagulls eating big lobsters at our little beach these days...hmmm..wonder why they are dying...warm water? This hot water will put the
abalone in danger....it also kills all the kelp which is washing up on the beaches these days....we had such big kelp beds because of the cool water
temps the last couple years...the circle of life.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 55steve
I've seen at least 3 sea turtles in the last 2 offshore trips heading south from San Diego. |
This sounds like a case for ramuma53 ...... 
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We saw a dead tortuga floating on the surface while fishing last week in Asuncion, we saw a several dead lobos too, some on the beach and a couple in
the water. Could have something to do with the big swell?........dt
[Edited on 9-6-2012 by dtbushpilot]
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i don't want to appear to be the expert here, but with my experiences with wildlife in general, things die....i saw this as a coastal ranger in
washington state when the grey whale population exploded...all of a sudden, there's a bunch of dead whales around...wha happened!!!!...things
die......all of a sudden the sea lion population, that has been protected now for over 25 years, and the tortuga population, that has been protected
for a couple of decades now, all of a sudden, rebound!!!!...and some of the older of the population die off...and they wash up on our beaches...and we
see them and go, "oh my gawd, what's going on???".......simply nothing...things die....really....accept natural selection and that everything
dies.......now....how maudlin is that????
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UH..OH..YOU MEAN I MITE DIE!!! LOL,KIDDING
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
This sounds like a case for ramuma53 ...... |
Shouldn\'t one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check or Sec.8 housing?
........... I had to pass one to earn it for them!
\"I\'ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go?\"
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It looks as though cold water temperatures are more harmful to these animals than warm waters. I don't think 90 degree water temps are directly
responsible for these deaths. It's likely that the warm waters have actually brought greater concentrations of these animals to the abreojos/asuncion
area.
There are a number of parasites and viral infections that have been found to cause problems in the past.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loggerhead_sea_turtle#Disease_a...
A similar occurence in Florida.
http://www.conserveturtles.org/velador.php?page=velart28
more stuff on diseases
http://nmlc.org/2011/07/sea-turtles-part-2-disease-predators...
Lots of literature on fibropapillomatosis.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
i don't want to appear to be the expert here, but with my experiences with wildlife in general, things die....i saw this as a coastal ranger in
washington state when the grey whale population exploded...all of a sudden, there's a bunch of dead whales around...wha happened!!!!...things
die......all of a sudden the sea lion population, that has been protected now for over 25 years, and the tortuga population, that has been protected
for a couple of decades now, all of a sudden, rebound!!!!...and some of the older of the population die off...and they wash up on our beaches...and we
see them and go, "oh my gawd, what's going on???".......simply nothing...things die....really....accept natural selection and that everything
dies.......now....how maudlin is that???? |
Wonderful post... and full of 'common sense'... yes living things do die, get used to it!
It really could be that simple!
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well, I have never seen dead turtles like now .... today there were 2 more and they were smaller. and a dead lobo which I think had just just died. It
looked alive .... quite odd.
I know animals die but to have so many all at once is not normal. And yes, I seem to remember that this indeed happened once before - maybe 3 years
ago.
I will let the wildcoast people know, but a phone number for Jaime would be great.
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We saw a funky red tide north of you last week when we were there. Remember 3ish years ago when the red tide killed all those lobsters and sea life.
Hope that doesn't happen again.
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the other detail that I forgot to mention is that there are NO exterior markings at all of a bite from a shark or slme discoloration that might
indicate sickness. These beasts (for they are SO big) look perfectly healthy.
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The live turtles I'm seeing out of San Diego are loggerheads.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
well, I have never seen dead turtles like now .... today there were 2 more and they were smaller. and a dead lobo which I think had just just died. It
looked alive .... quite odd.
I know animals die but to have so many all at once is not normal. And yes, I seem to remember that this indeed happened once before - maybe 3 years
ago.
I will let the wildcoast people know, but a phone number for Jaime would be great. |
There have been over 50 dead turtles all at the same time. --- Yes, call Jamie as it is not only a part of his job, he and Elide are very involved
with the Bahia Asuncion Wildcoast.
Check your u2u for the numbers.
It will be interesting to see what the study reveals, if anything.
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Blanca stop walking...we dont need more dead animals...unles they are in my table with flour tortillas..
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
i don't want to appear to be the expert here, but with my experiences with wildlife in general, things die....i saw this as a coastal ranger in
washington state when the grey whale population exploded...all of a sudden, there's a bunch of dead whales around...wha happened!!!!...things
die......all of a sudden the sea lion population, that has been protected now for over 25 years, and the tortuga population, that has been protected
for a couple of decades now, all of a sudden, rebound!!!!...and some of the older of the population die off...and they wash up on our beaches...and we
see them and go, "oh my gawd, what's going on???".......simply nothing...things die....really....accept natural selection and that everything
dies.......now....how maudlin is that???? |
Wonderful post... and full of 'common sense'... yes living things do die, get used to it!
It really could be that simple! |
Someday your doctor will give you advice like that. We'll see how much 'common sense' you find in it.
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