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New immigration rules
Cabo Imigration office say new rules will be announced tomorrow and implemented Monday. Anyone else heard anything?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by nobaddays
Cabo Imigration office say new rules will be announced tomorrow and implemented Monday. Anyone else heard anything? |
Don't believe anything they say until you see it happen.
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I believe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by John M
Two days after the election - yea I believe |
I think we're speaking of the new Mexican immigration visa
rules.
I'm going with a friend to Inmigracion Santa Rosalia, BCS tomorrow and will report in.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
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Les went to immigration yesterday and renewing his FM2 was exactly the same as every year for the past 4.
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Here is the link to the new rules
http://www.mymexicanlawyer.com/immigration-questions/mexican...
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still clear as mud to me but after all these years that doesn't surprise me. I did drop by the Loreto immigration office to inquire about
permanent/inmagrado status which I had heard was possible after three years but they hadn't a clue what I was talking about, conferred with the jefe
and announced that that was only for 'special' people who have performed 'great service' to the country of Mexico and/or invested a great deal of
money, etc. I was told that I still needed to complete all my years of FM2 status and that at the end of that time, at the end of the fourth renewal,
I could apply for inmagrado.
but who knows what they will say tomorrow, after Nov 8th.
so, will all of us FM2/FM3 holders now be temporary residents? the 'retired' ambiguity is just that..augh
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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they are referring to nationalization...becoming a mexican citizen...some philanthropists or perhaps wealthy folk can fast track the citizenship
wait....i think you may have meant imigrado after years of having your fm2...which isnt the same thing as mexican citizenship
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We are in the process of renewing our FM2's now, it is the same as before for now. They rejected my wife's renewal form because they said her
signature didn't match her passport, we had to go back to La Paz and sign a new form. Hopefully this will be the only setback. With my luck there will
be another delay then they will say that I have to start over because the rules have changed. Don't know what it will be like next year or how it will
affect my bid for citizenship after my next renewal.....time will tell.
One thing you can always count on in MX is that you can not count on anything being like it was yesterday. I hope that having MX citizenship will
protect me from future changes in MX immigration but "nunca sabe"......dt
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
they are referring to nationalization...becoming a mexican citizen...some philanthropists or perhaps wealthy folk can fast track the citizenship
wait....i think you may have meant imigrado after years of having your fm2...which isnt the same thing as mexican citizenship |
I'm not wealthy but we are spending a lot of money in MX, I helped an old lady cross the street, I smile and wave at everybody I meet.....might that
be enough to qualify me for citizenship? Who do I talk to about a fast track?....
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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?NEW IMMIGRATION LAWS 2012?
This is what is coming off the mainland....
Maybe they can get this sorted out by the end of 2012..
NEW IMMIGRATION LAWS 2012 (from the www.chapala.com Web Board)
Submitted by Yucatan Expatriate Services on October 15, 2012
On September 28, 2012 a new set of Regulations of the Immigration Laws of Mexico were officially published. The new laws themselves were published and
discussed over a year ago, but were not put into effect and the details were not released. Now details have been explained and the regulations will be
in effect soon, so now is the time to let everyone know what has changed.
These new regulations will come into effect 30 working days from the date of publication (on or about November 12, 2012). The regulations regarding
the General Law of Population on migratory control, verification and regulation will then be officially annulled, including the Manual on Criteria and
Migratory Procedures of the National Institute of Migration through which the present visa designations of Non-Immigrant, Immigrant and Immigrated
were defined. Anyone with a current visa (FM2 or FM3) can continue to use their current visa until the expiration date, at which point they will have
to renew under one of the categories outlined below.
New Immigration Law Details
The following are the most important new details of this new act:
The Migratory status of Non-Immigrant (previously known as FM3), Immigrant (previously known as FM2) and Immigrated (Inmigrado) shall cease to
exist and shall be replaced by visas that pertain to the conditions of stay. The new designations will be Visitor (Visitante), Temporary Resident
(Residente Temporal) and Permanent Resident (Residente Permanente).
The present visa cards or booklets designating FM2 or FM3 status will cease to be valid and will be replaced by Visitor, Temporary Resident and
Permanent Resident cards.
The newly published regulations establish the criteria, requirements and procedures for the following types of visas. We want to stress that the
people at the immigration offices are getting trained as we write this article, so details about how these rules will be enacted and questions about
discrepancies and changes are still unclear.
Visitor Visa without Permission to Engage in Lucrative Activities (Visa de visitante sin permiso para realizar actividades remuneradas)
This visa may be granted for up to ten years. The applicant may be granted this visa if they can demonstrate one or more of the following
circumstances:
-They have sufficient economic solvency
-They are a frequent traveler to Mexico
-They are a researcher, scientist, humanist, artist, athlete, prestigious journalist (national or international) or are another type of promiment
person
-They are the spouse, concubine or equivalent, child, parent or sibling of a Mexican or a temporary or permanent resident, but are not intending to
reside in the country
-They are the spouse, concubine or equivalent, child, parent or sibling of a diplomatic or consular official accredited in Mexico who are ordinary
passport holders
-Being a supervisor of a foreign company with a subsidiary in the country or executive staff of subsidiaries or sales offices of Mexican companies
abroad.
A non-Mexican who obtains this visa may request the issuance of the same for their spouse, concubine or equivalent and their children, if the children
or adolescents are under their legal custody or if they are over-age but still in their legal custody. In this case, the applicant must prove the
relationship and they must also prove that they have sufficient economic solvency to support those dependents, and that they are frequent travelers.
This visa will be issued for those non-Mexicans interested in being in the country for no more than 180 days.
Temporary Resident Visa (Visa de residente temporal)
The temporary resident visa is issued to a non-Mexican who declares his/her intention to remain in Mexico for a period exceeding one hundred and
eighty days and up to four years. The applicant must demonstrate one of the following:
-Sufficient economic resources to pay for accommodations and meals during their stay in Mexico
-Participation in a scientific research project or sample collection in Mexico or the territorial waters of Mexico, after having obtained the
appropriate authorizations from the appropriate national authorities (e.g., INAH, etc.)
-Family relationship to a Mexican, temporary or permanent resident
-An invitation from an organization or a public or private institution in Mexico to participate in any activity for which they will gain no income.
The invitation should be on letterhead and indicate the activity that the applicant will be performing, the duration and the address of the workplace
and the person or company accepting responsibility to pay for their travel and living expenses. Otherwise, the applicant must demonstrate sufficient
economic solvency to cover his/her living expenses during his/her stay in the country
-Ownership of real estate in Mexico with a value equivalent to the amount stipulated in the General Administrative Provisions which will be issued
by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and has not yet been published in the Mexican Official Gazette
-Ownership of investments in Mexico that consist of:
Capital stock in Mexican companies in accordance with laws and other legal provisions, with a value that exceeds the amount provided for in the
General Administrative Provisions (to be issued by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and published in the Mexican Official Gazette)
Movable or fixed assets used for commercial or business in accordance with laws and other legal provisions, whose value exceeds the amount provided
for in the General Administrative Provisions (to be issued by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and published in the Mexican Official Gazette)
Development of economic and business activities in the country in accordance with laws and other legal provisions that generate formal jobs in terms
of the General Administrative Provisions (to be issued by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and published in the Mexican Official Gazette)
The temporary resident visa will be valid for one hundred and eighty calendar days with a single entry. The applicant must apply for the resident card
within the first thirty calendar days after their entry into Mexico. After 4 years with the temporary resident visa, the applicant can apply for the
permanent resident visa.
Permanent Resident Visa (Visa de residente permanente)
This visa will be issued to a non-Mexican who intends to enter the country in order to reside indefinitely. The applicant must demonstrate one of the
following situations:
-Family relationship to a Mexican or permanent resident of Mexico
-Retirement status, with sufficient monthly income to cover living expenses during their stay in Mexico. Currently, sufficient monthly income is 250
times the minimum salary in Mexico city for FM3 and 400 times the minimum salary for FM2. (The minimum daily salary at this writing is $62.33 pesos.
That would make the minimums for visas $15,582.50 pesos and $24,932.00 pesos ($1215.35 USD and $1944.61 USD at $12.82 pesos to the USD).)
-Meeting the categories and the minimum score required to enter through the Point System under the General Administrative Provisions (to be issued
by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and published in the Mexican Official Gazette)
-That he or she has been granted political asylum by the Mexican government
The permanent resident visa will be valid for one hundred and eighty calendar days with a single entry. The applicant must apply for their resident
card within the first thirty calendar days after his or her entry into Mexico.
The Point System for Mexican Visas
There are eight basic categories in the selection criteria of the new Point System for eligibility for Permanent Residency. It is Mexicos hope that
these criteria will attract foreign investors or people with high competency in areas such as science, technology, sports, arts and humanities or any
other skills that strengthen and promote the development and competitiveness of Mexico.
The selection criteria may include, but are not limited to, the following:
-Education level
-Work experience in areas of interest to the country that have high demand and low supply
-Work experience in other areas
-Investor
-Skills in science and technology
-Acknowledgements and international awards
-Spanish language proficiency
-Knowledge of Mexican culture
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs will issue the categories in the General Administrative Provisions which will be published in the Mexican Official
Gazette. This will also include the weighting of points corresponding to each category, as well as the minimum score required to enter through this
route.
The Ministry will review the Point System every three years, and if necessary will publish in the Mexican Official Gazette any addendums,
modifications or deletions of categories. They may also change the weighting of points corresponding to each category, as well as the minimum scores
and any other information in the Point System.
A non-Mexican who wishes to enter the country through the Point System must apply for visa at the consular office, attaching a completed
pre-qualification form, accompanied by the documents proving that they meet the requirements of the category.
The non-Mexican holder of a temporary resident visa or temporary work visa who wishes to remain in Mexico when their visa runs out may request a
change to the status of permanent resident status via the Point System.
Other Visa-Related Considerations
A visitor visa application for adoption and temporary resident student can in no case be made directly to the Institute.
Consular offices may issue a replacement temporary resident visa, the temporary student resident visa, permanent resident visa, visitor visa for
adoption procedures and visitor visas without permission to engage in lucrative activity for humanitarian reasons to the non-Mexican holder of that
visa. They may do so if the visa holder has had their visitor or resident card stolen, lost or destroyed. Non-Mexicans must process their replacement
request within the first thirty calendar days after the loss of the card.
The Immigration Institute (INM) shall establish in the General Administrative Provisions which will soon be published in the Mexican Official Gazette,
the features, form and design of the cards, and other immigration documents.
The card that certifies the status of temporary resident stay may be valid for one, two, three or four years, starting from when the non-Mexican was
given that particular status.
When the temporary resident obtains a work permit, the card certifying their status will have validity for as long as the job lasts.
The holder of the temporary resident card may, within thirty calendar days prior to its expiration date, request the visas renewal for up to a total
of four years.
Children of foreign nationality under the age of three can only obtain a resident card with a validity of one year, until they are three years old.
The card certifying the status of temporary resident will give the holder the right to make multiple entries and exits from the country.
The permanent resident card will be valid for an indefinite term, but Non-Mexicans who are minors and older than three will have to renew their
permanent resident card every four years until they are of legal age.
The card certifying the status of permanent resident will give the holder the right to make multiple entries and exits of the country and to maintain
a work permit once they are of legal age.
A non-Mexican who is outside the country when their visa status expires, may enter the country with it up to fifty-five calendar days from its
expiration. Within fifty-five calendar days, no penalty will be applied and the application for renewal must be submitted within five working days
after admission into Mexico. Entry into Mexico will not be allowed for non-Mexicans holding a document that is more than fifty-five calendar days past
its date of expiration.
Non-Mexicans in the possession of a temporary student resident card can obtain a work permit if they are doing postgraduate or advanced classes, or
research.
The owners of a visa as visitors for humanitarian activities and permanent residents have an implicit work permit.
Temporary and permanent residents must notify the INM, within ninety calendar days following the occurrence, of any changes in marital status,
nationality, residence or workplace.
Any visa applications that are pending on the date that these regulations go into effect shall be completed in accordance with the provisions in force
at the time of the start of the application.
Democracy is like two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
they are referring to nationalization...becoming a mexican citizen...some philanthropists or perhaps wealthy folk can fast track the citizenship
wait....i think you may have meant imigrado after years of having your fm2...which isnt the same thing as mexican citizenship |
yes, I did. oops and thanks. perhaps I wasn't clear in what I was asking the lady in migration. so we all just stay on the same old same old path,
different name, ten years and years to imigrado?
only asking because I'm due to re-up soon.
and am buying a house, but think one still needs a fidio. until if/when one becomes a Mexican citizen.
[Edited on 11-9-2012 by rhintransit]
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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The "new" immigration law was passed in 2011. The rules for it were published at the end of September 2012, my article was: Mexico Immigration Law Rules.
Today (8th Nov) the actual processes and procedures were published in the DOF (official gazette). This is the first the INM offices (or anybody) will
have seen of them, so anything INM have said before this would be guesswork. See my San Felipe News short report.
I'm working on digesting all the facts and checking how others interpret it and should be able to publish a detailed article on San Felipe Life soon.
As expected, new applicants will have to apply from outside Mexico, with higher income requirements (but some other options also). And as reported
before, a much, much simpler route to permanent residence for those with FM2/3.
Rob
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Just back from Sta. Rosalia BCSur with a friend who wished to renew.
This is a summation of her experience:
She was allowed to re-up with what will be the equivalent of her FM-3 which she's held for one year, a "temporary resident non-lucrative" visa.
She asked to "step up" to a "permanent resident non-lucrative" status, the equivalent of what we know as an FM-2. Her request was not entertained,
categorically denied, a big definitive NO.
He accepted her paperwork and photo and $300Pesos "for the office" and told her to come back in a week as he did not know how much to charge her for
it, i.e. how much she needed to pay at the bank.
He did say that she is renewing under the old laws. They are not implenting the new rules just yet. He looked haggard, beyond dog-tired and strung
out. In his mind he probably was cursing the authorities for enacting all these ambiguous changes that no one understands.
He spent alot of time reading from an official webpage. I tried looking over the counter and reading over his shoulder to see the address, but to no
avail. However, not to be undone I did get two official web addresses while I was in the office (don't ask how I did it; I'll never tell).
Check out www.segob.gob.mx and www.gobiernofederal.gob.mx
I have to renew my visa around the first of the year.
I'll dig up this thread then and let you know my experience.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LaTijereta
This is what is coming off the mainland....
Maybe they can get this sorted out by the end of 2012..
NEW IMMIGRATION LAWS 2012 (from the www.chapala.com Web Board)
GOODNESS, THANK YOU for such a detailed, amazing post. AWSOME!
I don't wish to become a MX citizen at this time. I want to be very, NON-noticed. I NEED to keep my U.S. disability payments to live on, until I'm
fixed, yet, I can only afford MX to live. I have a permanent U.S. street address for mail, documents etc. but, I want to live in MX, going back and
forth to conduct business. What if I just lay low? don't draw attention and claim my rental is just a vacation retreat? Besides l;ocal police, WHO
would know I was living there? What would be, my arguement? defense? Explanation to officer? Down the line, when I am less preyed upon by my Ex, I
would like to toe the line and be legal as should be. But now, I simply have no time or mental space to deal with it. Advise?
Thanks in advance to my amigos/as
BIG HUGS,
M |
Looking for new adventures now; Always...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
Les went to immigration yesterday and renewing his FM2 was exactly the same as every year for the past 4. |
Not unexpected as the new rules are supposed to take effect on Nov. 12, from what I've read.
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New Rules
http://www.sanfelipelife.com/post/The-New-Immigration-Law-an...
Hang on folks, this is probably get more and more interesting as the days go by.
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It would be interesting to see if the INM offices over here in Baja will follow this fee structure: (in pesos)
Visa fees from Article 80, Ley Federal de Derechos (D.O.F. Sept. 4, 2012):
Artνculo 8o. Por la expediciσn del documento migratorio que acredita la condiciσn de estancia se
pagarαn derechos conforme a las siguientes cuotas:
I. Visitante sin permiso para realizar actividades remuneradas
$295.00
II. Visitante con permiso para realizar actividades remuneradas
$2,350.00
III. Visitante Regional
$295.00
IV. Visitante Trabajador Fronterizo
$295.00
V. Visitante con fines de adopciσn
$2,280.00
VI. Residente Temporal:
a). Hasta un aρo
. $3,130.00
b). Dos aρos
$4,690.00
c). Tres aρos
$5,940.00
d). Cuatro aρos
$7,040.00
VII. Residente Permanente
$3,815.00
The Mexican Embassy provided other details, including the specific requirements for how to import household goods into Mexico. Read more details at
the end of this article.
Further information coming forward:
http://yucalandia.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/updated-mexican-i...
Democracy is like two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LaTijereta
It would be interesting to see if the INM offices over here in Baja will follow this fee structure: (in pesos) |
They should do, those are the current fees in force. I posted a summary in English with conversions and per year amounts a while back at:
http://www.sanfelipelife.com/post/New-Immigration-Fees
After reading the new manuals in detail, there's not much that has been properly specified on the transition arrangements (what happens to those with
existing FM3 etc).
I'm travelling at the moment so don't have time to research fully but I've posted some details of what is supposed to happen (rather than how it
happens) at:
The New Immigration Law and Your FM2 or FM3.
Comments from those who are converting their paperwork right now would be very helpful to provide complete information for others, I won't be able to
do mine until the end of the month.
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