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KaceyJ
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Anyone notice?
Just curious,
Seems like a large number of properties available at Posada Conception?
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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I have never seen such numbers of dispirited Mexicanos in Mulege as I did the last trip. Would this have any effect on local gringo property owners? I
don't know.
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rts551
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Dispirited locals? Any idea why? The economy there has been poor for a while.
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J.P.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
I have never seen such numbers of dispirited Mexicanos in Mulege as I did the last trip. Would this have any effect on local gringo property owners? I
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We were there a couple years ago and experienced that same feeling. the whole town felt beat down. We didn't stay long.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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It takes a LOT to sap the joy out of Mexican Spirit. Those floods just knocked the pedo out of the life of that little town. Understandable and
terribly sad.
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vgabndo
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This old pedo is empathetic with the people of Mulege. When I got slapped out of San Nicolas, I had another place to go. I could leave and lick my
wounds, it must be very hard, even with the amazing Mexican spirit, to stand back up in the same place and try again.
Bless them all.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
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chuckie
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Posada? I kinda noticed that too...dont know what is 'normal" but lotsa places for sale......Businesses are hurting here in Mulege and everyone feels
the pinch, but I hadnt noticed disspirited people so much....And another hurricane season on the way....
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Bob and Susan
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posada sales...it's normal here...
there's always a turn over of "old people" in rental areas
normal is about 1/3 for sale
remember EVERYTHING is for sale
and EVERYONE is getting older
tourism is down...that's correct
but Mexican building is UP
Very few dispirited people
I think this is a gringo perception NOT a reality
hurricane season is still months away...
the "real" tourists (Italians) have yet to arrive
by then "the gringos" will all be gone
[Edited on 5-11-2013 by Bob and Susan]
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roundtuit
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Actually in Posada Concepcion places for sale is about 13% of the houses
Bob is right, construction is on the rise and I still see smiles on the people in town
Never learned from a book-Only from mistakes, mine and yours
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vgabndo
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I think I'm offended that I'm not a "real" tourist. I just spent 40 days in Mexico and spend $3000.00. No, you didn't see me, and I'm not Italian,
but you have to realize that my three grand would last about 17 days at your place and the price of one night's accommodation will buy enough diesel
to let me drive 400 miles looking for a better rate. Flying from Europe, and paying top dollar for a room is big bucks. Is that what makes a "real"
tourist?
I trust your judgment about the mental state of your neighbors, and second the impression that Mulege "feels" different these days.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
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24baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
I think I'm offended that I'm not a "real" tourist. I just spent 40 days in Mexico and spend $3000.00. No, you didn't see me, and I'm not Italian,
but you have to realize that my three grand would last about 17 days at your place and the price of one night's accommodation will buy enough diesel
to let me drive 400 miles looking for a better rate. Flying from Europe, and paying top dollar for a room is big bucks. Is that what makes a "real"
tourist?
I trust your judgment about the mental state of your neighbors, and second the impression that Mulege "feels" different these days.
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I think I agree with your assessment we spend alot when we go to Mexico we just choose to have a house and not have to stay in motels or "SPAS".Connie
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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When I operated my hotel I let it be public knowledge the wages (saldos) of my workers, as well as the number of workers. Number 1 rule, period: Not
price the hotel outside of the range of Mexicanos to afford a room.
I seldom speak Ingles in Mulege so I have no idea whatsoever the opinions of extraneous.
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Hook
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Isnt Posada leased land? I dont know.
But I have a sneaking suspicion that leased land is going to be very undesirable, if the fidecomiso is done away with. I would think there might be
increased incentive for Mexicans to sell off land they had formerly been leasing, IF we assume that there will be an increase in demand for buying
land. And the removal of the fide should make foreigners more comfortable in owning.
If it passes, I dont think I'd want to have much invested in improvements on leased land where the lease is short-term............like year to year.
The temptation could be very great for the leasors to terminate the lease and try selling off the individual lots.
[Edited on 5-11-2013 by Hook]
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Cypress
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Buying a piece of Posada or anywhere else in Mexico? Go for it! 
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Bob and Susan
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by 24baja
I just spent 40 days in Mexico and spend $3000.00.
I trust your judgment about the mental state of your neighbors, and second the impression that Mulege "feels" different these days.
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I think I agree with your assessment we spend alot when we go to Mexico we just choose to have a house and not have toent stay in motels or
"SPAS".Connie |
well connie...if you own a house you are not a "tourist"
you are a resident and should have a resident visa...
you should be paying homeowner taxes also...
I would call you a "snowbird"
and vagabond...you live in mt Shasta ca...
that's a long drive...
I really wonder how much was spent
on gas alone to travel Baja
I agree we are expensive...but I can't afford to stay at the "Watergate" in washington dc either or I won't
some people don't like to camp for 40 days...
they don't live that way at home and
they don't work all year to spend their vacation
"in the rough"
i'm sorry if I offended you but it is what it is
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Wise advice hook.
Leases are hassles. If the land issue gets passed I believe that it is going to come at a very very stiff price (Impuestos de Tamities Anual). Mexico
is buying hundreds of millions of dollars of computers, database programs and training people how to use them.
TERRORISTA ARABE: Bearded barefoot person with AK47 and Explosive Vest
TERRORISTA IRANI: Bearded robed man with Rocket Launcher and grenades
TERRORISTA MEXICANO: Guy in a business suit lugging an SHCP briefcase.
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
This old pedo is empathetic with the people of Mulege. When I got slapped out of San Nicolas, I had another place to go. I could leave and lick my
wounds, it must be very hard, even with the amazing Mexican spirit, to stand back up in the same place and try again.
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Same thing happens in flood, hurricane, tornado, mudslide and fire areas in the US. After "losing everything" people continue to rebuild in the same
place year after year. I'm sorry, I just don't understand it.
Bob Durrell
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Udo
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I was in Mulege and surrounding area last February.
I had noticed the lack of English speaking gringos (Canadians included).
I asked four times in four different area restaurants:
What happened to all the GRINGOS???
All 4 restaurants said the same thing...The last hurricane/flooding was literally the straw that broke the camel's back.
Actually...the last hurricane was the one that no one that lived in the "orchard" spoke up and said that they would be back and rebuild, (If you did
not notice this time on Nomads).
We have been hearing for the last ten years that: "...we will rebuild, and the orchard was such a beautiful place to live.
I still think it is a gorgeous place to live, but it has it's limitations and one needs to prepare for the worst.
Udo
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woody with a view
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personally, i can't wait to see all the EYE-talians if they are there in Oct. We have 12 days to spend in Baja and 4 will be with Bob and Susan who
graciously offered accomadations + cash for my Ranger.
The best part is I get to lose sleep over plannnig if we beeline straight to Mulege and backtrack thru Abreojos, Bocana and Asuncion for surf and
tuna? Or do we hit up some of the central points on the way down?
It's good to have options!
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Pescador
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Gee, Bob and Susan, I would doubt that even if you lowered your prices that you would be getting a lot of business from David E or Vagabundo. But I
would bet that you have not spent lots of sleepless nights over that anyway. The people I have talked to that stayed with you guys were ecstatic and
thought it was a great deal.
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