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Defibrillators? Got one?
A while ago, we all has a discussion on defibrillators....
Last week we visited our local health clinic and lo and behold! We now have a defibrillator here!
How about in your neck of Baja?
[Edited on 9-1-2013 by BajaBlanca]
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Thanks for keeping the flame burning Blanca. Now it's time for everyone to get educated on how to use it. Equipment lying around with an expired
battery or no one to run it is useless. You might want to check out the expiration date on the battery and make sure it is fully charged. Once the
battery is used, it is no longer functional.
Last year when I checked the defibrillator at the La Joya firestation it was missing a battery according to Alex Pabloff. That was around the time
Dennis was so sick and he and others were angry at me helping him thinking I had a hidden agenda. No I didn't put hemlock in Dennis' tea, he is alive
and well and enjoying a new found romance!! Congrats, Dennis!!
Seriously though, who's willing to pass the torch and make sure that La Joya Firestation defibrillator has a battery and someone that knows how to use
it?
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Got ZAP ?
Concerned that I might find myself out and about without recourse should someone's Pump go Bump and quit THUNK, I've decided
to carry a 450KV "Stun Gun".
For Humanitarian use only, of course.
While it might (or might not) do the job, it's better than NOTHING.
And, it's the thought that counts, isn't it ?
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Battery? Fully charged? Who woulda thunk.....I will check it when we get back.....
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An Entrepreneurial Opportunity ?
Coin-Operated Defibrillators ?
Which, of course, would also accept Credit Cards.
A great incentive to maintain the Equipment.
Assuming that they wouldn't simply lift the Skippy Guy's (or Gal's) wallet given that they wouldn't be in a state to resist.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Concerned that I might find myself out and about without recourse should someone's Pump go Bump and quit THUNK, I've decided
to carry a 450KV "Stun Gun".
For Humanitarian use only, of course.
While it might (or might not) do the job, it's better than NOTHING.
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Glad to know your carryiing...just in case your pump go bump, Mr Bil.
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How much time between the episode and the ZAP does one have?
Not much is my understanding.
So, what good is one if it isn't almost immediately available?
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While atrial fibrillation can be tolerated for months and years, and controlled with medications, fatal arrhythmias such as ventricular fibrillation
can cause collapse within seconds and organ damage within minutes, while ventricular tachycardia can become unstable in minutes. So essentially you
have maybe 5 minutes to get someone out of a life threatening arrhythmia, because of the lack of effective blood pumping to the brain and other
important organs by the heart.
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Approximately 8-10 years ago my wife and I donated a new out of the box defibrillator to the clinic in the bay of LA.
The unit had been special ordered to have both written instructions in and verbal instructions for use in Spanish.
Theses units were rather expensive - around $5,600 as I recall - so not every clinic will have one.
SDM
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At heartsmart.com you can get a preowned defibrillator starting for about $800.
http://www.heartsmart.com/?gclid=CNzo3c3brLkCFYl_QgodwX0Afw
This can be used also for small isolated communities and as I mentioned before, the chain of command is very important that everyone knows exactly
where the defibrillator is at all times, how to use it, and make sure that it has 100% access and availability with the person that is in charge of it
at the time. And as always folks, keep an eye on the battery. A dead battery will do nothing to restart the heart.
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Have a Heart
Charge ?
While it's perfectly OK for ANYBODY to donate equipment and efforts outside any government involvement in their good-intentioned desire to assist
those in dire need, philosophically, one wonders if it isn't better (all things considered) to simply allow nature to take its course.
After all, MOST of those getting a Jump-Start are on the edge anyway and cruising the road
leading to the exit.
But, as said, IF people want to get involved and voluntarily attempt to jolt those back from
the edge, it's admirable, gives them something to do and does no harm.
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What type of battery.....where can it be purchased??
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Last year when I checked the defibrillator at the La Joya
firestation it was missing a battery according to Alex Pabloff.
Seriously though, who's willing to pass the torch and make sure that La Joya Firestation defibrillator has a battery and someone that knows how to use
it? |
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The only problem I have with an AED is that you have to have access quickly and a fast response after the zap. The new ambulances in our rural areas
are beautiful but the drivers do not even have basic first aid training as i understand. so ....My first request would be for all the the ambulance
drivers to get first aid training and know how to use oxygen etc. I could give my husband CPR and AED until I am dead myself but if there is not back
up emergency care ...what the hell?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
What type of battery.....where can it be purchased??
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Last year when I checked the defibrillator at the La Joya
firestation it was missing a battery according to Alex Pabloff.
Seriously though, who's willing to pass the torch and make sure that La Joya Firestation defibrillator has a battery and someone that knows how to use
it? |
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i'd imagine the mfgr would sell them.
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Battery
I'm not there, Woody, still NOB...was gonna look around up here
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In all honesty (I have training and a real life situation) If there is NO emergency response team then an AED does very little. A person is dead when
one is administered so if there is not immediate and swift response with medical and technical support ...FORGET IT. For those of you living in an
area with these supports GOOD ON YA! Get your ducks in place!
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http://www.aedsuperstore.com/zoll-aed-plus-replacement-lithi...
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I disagree. The killer is the arrhythmia, and if the AED gets the person out of the arrhythmia, then they have a chance to live. | Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
In all honesty (I have training and a real life situation) If there is NO emergency response team then an AED does very little. A person is dead when
one is administered so if there is not immediate and swift response with medical and technical support ...FORGET IT. For those of you living in an
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I hope you are right...but "AEDs, like all defibrillators, are not designed to shock asystole ('flat line' patterns) as this will not have a positive
clinical outcome. The asystolic patient only has a chance of survival if, through a combination of CPR and cardiac stimulant drugs, one of the
shockable rhythms can be established, which makes it imperative for CPR to be carried out prior to the arrival of a defibrillator".
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An AED is programmed to be able to tell the difference between shockable (i.e. Ventricular fibrillation and Ventricular tachycardia) and a
non-shockable rhythm as you mentioned, asystole. Asystole in my experience may be brought back to a shockable rhythm but I have seen that after the
epinephrine wears off it slows down usually to a slow PEA (Pulseless Electrical activity) and then back to asystole. Basic CPR incorporates the AED
and is used before the AED is placed and a pulse check is performed. It would do everyone justice to take a basic CPR class and also take an ACLS
class (Advanced Cardiac Life Support) to be able to differentiate the types of life threatening rhythms and the drugs used to treat them. | Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
I hope you are right...but "AEDs, like all defibrillators, are not designed to shock asystole ('flat line' patterns) as this will not have a positive
clinical outcome. The asystolic patient only has a chance of survival if, through a combination of CPR and cardiac stimulant drugs, one of the
shockable rhythms can be established, which makes it imperative for CPR to be carried out prior to the arrival of a defibrillator".
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