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motoged
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Something you won't see in Baja
Don't know whether it is cooling or warming, but this is pretty awesome:
http://www.wimp.com/glaciercalving/
[Edited on 10-8-2013 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
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durrelllrobert
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Calving Baja style
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCXosJAW-f4
Bob Durrell
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Well, clearly the glacier is retreating at a wildly accelerating rate. What amazing footage. Until the size comparisons, I had no idea what I was
seeing! "Boiling" water to make the footage of the tsunami in Japan 3/11 look weak and unimpressive!
How long before humans will find it expedient to put tugs on some of the manageable bergs and tow that fresh water to places where the people have
money but are dying of thirst?
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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motoged
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Perry,
Yes, water is the next "Big Thing" regarding natural resources. The oil boom up here in Canada is ready to exploit huge natural gas reserves in BC and
Alberta....so all the effing fracking needed for that will likely destroy a lot of existing water resources....leaving money with the corps and
gov'ts....but greatly diminished water resources.
On top of that, our current laws don't adequately protect water being taken without controls....and the "Free Trade " agreement also gives our water
away. I will be dead by the time all that "Perfect Storm" hits....but those remaining won't have a fun time, I am afraid.
But the power of that glacier movement reminds us of our insignificance.
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Which brings to mind...
" Dr. Ian Malcolm: Gee, the lack of humility before nature that's being displayed here, uh... staggers me.
Donald Gennaro: Well thank you, Dr. Malcolm, but I think things are a little bit different then you and I had feared...
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, I know. They're a lot worse.
Donald Gennaro: Now, wait a second now, we haven't even seen the park...
John Hammond: No, no, Donald, Donald, Donald... let him talk. There's no reason... I want to hear every viewpoint, I really do.
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Don't you see the danger, John, inherent in what you're doing here? Genetic power is the most awesome force the planet's ever seen,
but you wield it like a kid that's found his dad's gun.
Donald Gennaro: It's hardly appropriate to start hurling generalizations...
Dr. Ian Malcolm: If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to
attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any
responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you
patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now
[bangs on the table]
Dr. Ian Malcolm: you're selling it, you wanna sell it. Well...
John Hammond: I don't think you're giving us our due credit. Our scientists have done things which nobody's ever done before...
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
John Hammond: Condors. Condors are on the verge of extinction...
Dr. Ian Malcolm: [shaking his head] No...
John Hammond: If I was to create a flock of condors on this island, you wouldn't have anything to say.
Dr. Ian Malcolm: No, hold on. This isn't some species that was obliterated by deforestation, or the building of a dam. Dinosaurs had their shot, and
nature selected them for extinction.
John Hammond: I simply don't understand this Luddite attitude, especially from a scientist. I mean, how can we stand in the light of discovery, and
not act?
Dr. Ian Malcolm: What's so great about discovery? It's a violent, penetrative act that scars what it explores. What you call discovery, I call the
rape of the natural world.
Dr. Ellie Sattler: Well, the question is, how can you know anything about an extinct ecosystem? And therefore, how could you ever assume that you can
control it? I mean, you have plants in this building that are poisonous, you picked them because they look good, but these are aggressive living
things that have no idea what century they're in, and they'll defend themselves, violently if necessary.
John Hammond: Dr. Grant, if there's one person here who could appreciate what I'm trying to do...
Dr. Alan Grant: The world has just changed so radically, and we're all running to catch up. I don't want to jump to any conclusions, but look...
Dinosaurs and man, two species separated by 65 million years of evolution have just been suddenly thrown back into the mix together. How can we
possibly have the slightest idea what to expect?
John Hammond: [laughing] I don't believe it. I don't believe it! You're meant to come down here and defend me against these characters, and the only
one I've got on my side is the blood-sucking lawyer!
Donald Gennaro: Thank you.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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motoged
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David,
Uhhhhh, you working on a screenplay ?
An arcane reference?
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David, they're getting closer, and you are too old to out-run them. Just eat the Jello and enjoy it.
Sorry for the highjack.
[Edited on 10-8-2013 by vgabndo]
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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motoged
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I guess I missed that movie...
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bledito
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get the movie soilent green.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bledito
get the movie soilent green. |
WE HAVE LESS THAN 9 YEARS UNTIL THIS!!!
 (Al Gore must have watched this when he was getting ideas?)
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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bledito
get the movie soilent green. |
Oh, I saw that years ago....just wasn't aware it had anything worthwhile to quote
Kinda like Al Gore jabs
But, we shouldn't dis Al too much....I hear that we can thank him for this interwebby thing that allows us to be keyboard philosophers and commandos
Thanks , Al.....Just one thing: Where IS the place that connects all these people with all that info.....caverns in Colorado? 
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como?
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
....so all the effing fracking needed for that will likely destroy a lot of existing water resources....
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You have facts for that or sources? I'm still looking but haven't found any non political info (frack bashing the norm) that has engineering data
supporting fracking as being bad. The stuff is already in the ground. Down in the desert we have to be careful with aquifers but much of what I've
read seems to be from "occupy types" who hate working people.
EdZ
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motoged
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Ed,
I think fracking IS a political issue as it has been demonstrated that it disturbs aquifers. I will let you do your own research rather than spoonfeed
you as I am a working man and don't have time to do your work for you.
When you take a minute and Google the subject, you will find a lot of information (some provided by your government) that isn't concocted by liars.
Isn't "frack supporting" a political position?
[Edited on 10-9-2013 by motoged]
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I thought it was a technological discovery to access the natural resources under our own land instead of being at the mercy of some dictator and
financing terrorists.???
I want freedom from foreign oil or at least non-North American oil... Wouldn't it be great for our economies if we could tell Saudi and the others to
drink their damn oil, that we have plenty of reserves that will take us to the point we will not need it for energy anymore.
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"When you take a minute and Google the subject, you will find a lot of information (some provided by your government) that isn't concocted by liars."
Yea, but all you need is a divining rod to discern what is 'truth' and what are 'lies'. ESPECIALLY when it comes to "your government''.
you guys crack me up!
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Hey DavidE - I just watched Jurrasic Park again the other day so as I was reading what you wrote I could "see" them talking.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
Ed,
I think fracking IS a political issue as it has been demonstrated that it disturbs aquifers. I will let you do your own research rather than spoonfeed
you as I am a working man and don't have time to do your work for you.
When you take a minute and Google the subject, you will find a lot of information (some provided by your government) that isn't concocted by liars.
Isn't "frack supporting" a political position?
[Edited on 10-9-2013 by motoged] |
Friking fraking isn't just for Canadians anymore
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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
Friking fraking isn't just for Canadians anymore |
That's for sure. It is a technological problem shared by the planet.
Extraction of natural resources is bound to produce some garbage and unpleasant side effects. The question is that of the overall "costs" of such
utilization....."What is it worth to you? "
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
Friking fraking isn't just for Canadians anymore |
That's for sure. It is a technological problem shared by the planet.
Extraction of natural resources is bound to produce some garbage and unpleasant side effects. The question is that of the overall "costs" of such
utilization....."What is it worth to you? " |
 ...what Motoged said!
Water is more precious than oil! When it is contaminated or gone, then so are we. It is worth discussing, but when David K adds his
Tea Bagger rhetoric (as he always does), it spoils the discussion. It gives the Wingnuts here (the usual ones who have taken David K's lead) license
to pollute the Nomad forum waters.
It is why I rarely participate, here or on Off Topic. Why bother? They will never get it, and this is not the intellectual sanctuary where weighty
matters can be discussed.
You may deduce that I don't like them, or their Anti-American terrorist representatives in the House.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
[..... and this is not the intellectual sanctuary where weighty matters can be discussed.... |
Tony,
Thanks for the reminder I slip from time-to-time and try to voice
dissent/common sense/ a different possible perspective.
But wasn't that glacier calving powerful? 
I first posted it with a comment "I hope this doesn't turn into a political debate", but that post was deleted/lost....
I just really wanted folks to see something never recorded before that might make them say, "Wow ....cool !"
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