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DavidE
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Been Through A Tropical Storm Or Hurricane In Mexico?
In graduating ordinal, mark the worst storm you have been through in Mexico. PS: Remnant Lows, Tropical Depressions, and Local Thunderstorms don't
count...
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monoloco
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We've been through almost every one that hit the cape area since 92, of those Fausto was probably the worst, we were living in a palapa open on 3
sides at the time. I don't remember what the category was but I can't even imagine what it would be like to go through a cat 4 or 5. Has there ever
been one that strong that hit the peninsula?
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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bajagrouper
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2002, Hurricane Kenna Cat.5 .....was in Guayabitos,Nayarit when Kenna hit at 8:30 in the morning, hit land at San Blas 60 miles away......WOW
I hear the whales song
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Osprey
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Don't know how strong John was when it went thru here but Los Barriles is just next door and they recorded 215 mph in the tornados in the eye wall.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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You do not want to know what a category 5 is like. I had a 13-ton 10-wheel Crown converted bus facing hurricane Gilberto winds and the buffeting felt
like I was doing 60 down a potholed road. The wind uprooted coconut palms and they disappeared. I found part of a canopy of a gasolinera near where I
was parked. It had blown more than 2-miles in the wind. The velocity of the wind was incredible. Vochos were tipped over and blown hundreds of feet.
Gilberto removed all of the beach area at Xcalak where I had been parked. Mangroves, cocos, sand. It was scoured to bare rock.
The tornadoes in a hurricane can destroy a rebar reinforced concrete structure. Not level it, but blast the walls to the point where they have to be
redone. Somebody said a full propane tanker truck had been overturned and found a ways off the Valladolid Cancun highway. Didn't see that for myself.
I don't like hurricanes. Some parts of the structure of a hurricane can be impressively more powerful than others. So a general description by the
National Hurricane Center NWS can be deceptive as hell.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
You do not want to know what a category 5 is like. I had a 13-ton 10-wheel Crown converted bus facing hurricane Gilberto winds and the buffeting felt
like I was doing 60 down a potholed road. The wind uprooted coconut palms and they disappeared. I found part of a canopy of a gasolinera near where I
was parked. It had blown more than 2-miles in the wind. The velocity of the wind was incredible. Vochos were tipped over and blown hundreds of feet.
Gilberto removed all of the beach area at Xcalak where I had been parked. Mangroves, cocos, sand. It was scoured to bare rock.
The tornadoes in a hurricane can destroy a rebar reinforced concrete structure. Not level it, but blast the walls to the point where they have to be
redone. Somebody said a full propane tanker truck had been overturned and found a ways off the Valladolid Cancun highway. Didn't see that for myself.
I don't like hurricanes. Some parts of the structure of a hurricane can be impressively more powerful than others. So a general description by the
National Hurricane Center NWS can be deceptive as hell. |
-------and some people bad-mouth California for it's earthquakes-----I will take "earthquakes" any day over a true Hurricane!! (typhoon)!!!! 
Barry
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Ateo
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I drove thru a hurricane on the Mainland back in '95ish. I was on the road to the coast after leaving Hermosillo on my way to DF. I had no idea what
was going on and later found out it was a large hurricane. When I stopped a few hundred miles later I found some sort of prawn/shellfish stuck in the
grill of my Isuzu Rodeo. Blown thru the air????
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taoswheat
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My wife and I were in Mazatlan for Hurricane John. It passed about 50 miles away so we had wind and mucho water. Blew all the avacados off the local
tree.
We were in San Carlos for Jimena. The water washed out phone, electric and water lines along with floating boats out of the Marina Seca. Power was
out for several days and water took over a week to restore.
Can't get my wife to go back in September- Don't understand why.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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A "temblor" isn't a quake. A big earthquake is as bad as a big hurricane. Below is a link to images that threw me out of bed and across a bunkhouse
floor in Ennis, Montana on my uncle's ranch.
http://www.seis.utah.edu/lqthreat/nehrp_htm/1959hebg/c1959he...
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Barry A.
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That was a bad one. I have lived in CA for some 70 years and NEVER went thru anything like that. But yes, you have to pick a place to live that does
not have obvious hazards lurking nearby, and hope for the best. People that live in 'hurricane alley' go thru Hurricanes all the time------never
could understand why they stick around "the alley". (or 'flood plains', for that matter)
Barry
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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The old Yaqui stories tell of a 50' tsunami after an earthquake so bad they thought the gods were ending the earth. This had to have occurred before
Spanish colonized the upper gulf. Beneath the Gulf of California is a massive fault. Every bit as ominous as the San Andreas fault. Take a look at the
east coast of the peninsula - those are not mountains from "mountain building". It's a hundreds of miles long fault escarpment. Some idiot geologists
will pout and say the fault in the gulf is a slip-strike type not a subductive fault. They fail the test. Scarping does not occur to a significant
degree with a slip strike fault.
Folks have short memories added to "What Me Worry" disregard for history. Dozens of ex-pats laughed when I argued against their idiotic assumption
that Zihuatanejo Bay was "Earthquake Proof" and "Not Here Buster!" They didn't laugh so hard after they saw yellowed images of what a 25' tsunami did
to the entire town. And -that- event was paltry compared to events recorded by early Spanish emigres who reported a 12+ meter tsunami.
This is the basis of the entire "Climate Change Idiocy". All rhetoric, no facts. The climate would change and keep changing if there hadn't ever been
a human being in existence. One drought die off of the Amazon rain forest produces (pay attention to the verb conjugation) more carbon dioxide than
mankind has generated since the days of "Lucy". No one is paying attention to the "real" threat. That is, the climate will change, it is changing and
no one is doing a damned thing to plan for it. The common sense attempts to reduce pollution are vital. But it's like doing you-know-what on a forest
fire. Sampling Antarctic core ice does not lie. It is not politically motivated. It shows incredible peaks of CO2 concentration millions of years
before Lucy ran to the nearest lightning strike to capture some of the magic to start her own fire. The difference is, 4-billion human beings to feed
and clothe now.
Mexico is caught in the net. There are vast numbers of folks living in "vulnerable" areas now. The few thousand that perished in Tsunamis of old in
Acapulco, would be magnified by a factor of 10, disease and starvation would amplify that to 20 or 30.
It's all hilarious until it happens.
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Barry A.
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Yep-------I believe that the Gulf of CA fault system is a southern extension of the San Andreas fault, or vice-versa, and just as ominous, if not more
so. As to the "type" of fault, it is a combination, like you say-----slip-strike fault/subductive, AND block-fault, the way I understand
it------potentially a disaster awaiting to happen anytime-------or perhaps not for a long time-------who really knows? The quake in and around the
Cocopahs a couple of years ago is a hint, tho. In THAT one the entire Imperial/Mexicali valleys containing the Colorado River sands (1000's of feet
deep) partially liquified into a kind of quicksand------not a good sign. The Earth is not static!!!!
To me as a Geographer that is what makes life interesting------seldom a dull moment for long, and storms are part of the picture for sure. 
Barry
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chippy
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Why bother answering. David your one upsmanchit is so boring.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chippy
Why bother answering. David your one upsmanchit is so boring. |
Huh????? What brought that on??? I love David's answers and posts. We each trigger the other's mind--------that is not "one upsmanchit" in my
book-----it's a conversation.
Barry
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chippy
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I guess you haven´t noticed who wins every time. Tedious at best. Downright lame and boring normally.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chippy
I guess you haven´t noticed who wins every time. Tedious at best. Downright lame and boring normally. |
It's not a contest, Chippy-------no "winners or losers" that I can see. But I appologize if it is boring-------not our intention, I am sure.
Barry
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comitan
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Many!!!!!!!!!!!!!!in the last 31 years!!!!!!!!!!!!Just part of living in BCS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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BajaBlanca
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I love the conversation.
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lizard lips
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Been in four hurricanes, Cabo, Philippines, Guam, and Cancun. The worst was in the Philippines where 1400 people died. The Philippine's get 40
hurricanes per year and are generally use to getting hit but this one was so bad in that there had been a volcano eruption and when the rain hit the
ash the ash came towards the small town like a wave killing many. I stayed there for 5 days helping the locals. I saw way to many body bags.....I also
would take a earthquake over a hurricane any day.
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lizard lips
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Before someone posts my mistake there are NO hurricanes in Guam or the Philippines. They are called TYPHOONS.
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