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joerover
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herion addiction
http://www.myaddiction.com/heroin.html
how wide spread is herion addiction in baja?
does herion addiction explain the bad cops¿?
it is more bad than you think.
the fat lady is breeding
which means
The fat ladys are breeding
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DavidE
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Got a nibble...
Nah look at the end of the rod...
Tellin' yah the sucker wiggled...
HUKE-UP!!!!!
Play 'em play 'em...
Wait! It's coming to the surface...
My God! A big ugly green head!
Ferchristsakes throw it back under the bridge...
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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monoloco
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I haven't seen much evidence that there are a lot of heroin addicts in BCS. Much bigger problem with chukeros.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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DENNIS
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Meth is the major issue here.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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55steve
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Meth seems to be taking a toll on the youth in Bahia de Los Angeles.
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24baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 55steve
Meth seems to be taking a toll on the youth in Bahia de Los Angeles. |
Yes we had a local friend whos son was in rehab in october. Hope it ends well for him.
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BajaLuna
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although meth is the major problem there as some of you say.... don't bet for a minute that heroin is not also. Heroin is at epidemic proportions
everywhere, and even in small towns.
To answer your question joerover, yes heroin is worse than anyone thinks!
I have been on the front lines of heroin where I live for several years, and have been active in my community with meth and heroin addicts alike, my
town is 10,000 people and it is through the roof and destroyed so many families not to mention the crime that comes with addiction.
Mexico indeed has a heroin problem, and so does the U.S., and any country you can point to on a world map. Heroin is the new old drug of choice.
Heroin is cheap, meth not so much and cocaine is too expensive.
The majority of meth addicts end up heroin addicts, not the other way around. If Baja didn't have a major problem with brown, I'd be questioning those
statistics!
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BajaLuna
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I don't know if it explains the bad cops, but the cops are undermanned to deal with the size of the drug problems, that's for sure. Where I live we
have 1 fulltime and 1 part time drug enforcement officers, trust me these guys would like nothing more than to get the heroin dealers but
unfortunately heroin is winning. Lack of funding to deal with the dealers is the jest of it. But the truth is it is about the demand, you can do all
you can about the supply end of it, but it will never be enough, until the demand side of it is taken seriously and we deal with the realities of
that...IE: addiction. I don't see how a cop could possibly be a cop if they're a heroin addict, because sooner or later they pretty much wouldn't be
able to function, that's just a fact about heroin addiction. If you're meaning that question in regards to them allowing it to happen for pay offs,
probably! Heroin is a money making operation! Sure it doesn't cost an addict much to buy it, but when it's in epidemic proportions and one has to
smoke it or shoot it all day long, well you do the numbers! They sure aren't smuggling it across the border or building tunnels and cops looking the
other way for anything that isn't profitable! Everyone has their hand in this beast pie!
But with most rehab programs costing 10 grand plus, if you're lucky enough to have insurance...and grant programs almost obsolete now to get people
help...and not enough outreach programs going on...you can bet the U.S. will see a bigger rise in the demand, hence Mexico will also see a bigger rise
in the supply end of it as well as other countries bringing it to the U.S.
Baja has a heroin addiction problem too, this drug doesn't exclude! Opiates are a centuries old problem, unfortunately.
Just my 2 cents on a subject I'm passionate about, kids and heroin addiction!
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Marc
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaLuna
I don't know if it explains the bad cops, but the cops are undermanned to deal with the size of the drug problems, that's for sure. Where I live we
have 1 fulltime and 1 part time drug enforcement officers, trust me these guys would like nothing more than to get the heroin dealers but
unfortunately heroin is winning. Lack of funding to deal with the dealers is the jest of it. But the truth is it is about the demand, you can do all
you can about the supply end of it, but it will never be enough, until the demand side of it is taken seriously and we deal with the realities of
that...IE: addiction. I don't see how a cop could possibly be a cop if they're a heroin addict, because sooner or later they pretty much wouldn't be
able to function, that's just a fact about heroin addiction. If you're meaning that question in regards to them allowing it to happen for pay offs,
probably! Heroin is a money making operation! Sure it doesn't cost an addict much to buy it, but when it's in epidemic proportions and one has to
smoke it or shoot it all day long, well you do the numbers! They sure aren't smuggling it across the border or building tunnels and cops looking the
other way for anything that isn't profitable! Everyone has their hand in this beast pie!
But with most rehab programs costing 10 grand plus, if you're lucky enough to have insurance...and grant programs almost obsolete now to get people
help...and not enough outreach programs going on...you can bet the U.S. will see a bigger rise in the demand, hence Mexico will also see a bigger rise
in the supply end of it as well as other countries bringing it to the U.S.
Baja has a heroin addiction problem too, this drug doesn't exclude! Opiates are a centuries old problem, unfortunately.
Just my 2 cents on a subject I'm passionate about, kids and heroin addiction! |
Herion addiction happens in the best of families.....I know!
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BajaLuna
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Marc, you are so right and it doesn't matter if you're poor or rich, come from a good family or an abusive family, heroin does not discriminate. Kids
in our town that were star high school sports players, heroin can take anyone down into the gutter, I've seen it first-hand too many times, its sad.
And until we as a society work on the crux of addiction in our communities and put programs in place for families to get help in our
neighborhoods...sadly it will continue, and another family will bury another child due to heroin overdose, sad to say. Or another family will be
mortgaging their home to pay for rehab...it goes on and on....
But there is hope, there is always hope! It can be overcome, not easy, but it can! The average is 3 times in Rehab to beat it. Some do and some don't
make it. And then of course there's the question of incarceration...because of course addicts create crimes, and we don't want addicts and crime in
our neighborhoods. But going out on a limb here for one I'm sure I'll get rebuttals to (too liberal I guess?)....let's create more rehab programs
instead of locking them up! Addicts, the majority anyways aren't criminals, they aren't evil, they aren't bad people, they just need help. And kids in
our neighborhoods are all of our kids, at least that's the way I look at it. When will kids in our society matter? When will we as a society join
together to say enough is enough? Not one more kid! Because when they have an addiction, an ugly one at that... it doesn't just take them down...it
effects all of us as a society in one way or the other.
There are programs through the U.S. court system, which the majority of them fail and end up back in jail because they don't stay clean. The whole
thing needs to be revamped though, IMHO!
Baja has a dirty little secret too, just like yours and my towns do as well...it's called heroin epidemic. It's naïve to think otherwise! The town I
live in is a tourist town, the last thing they want is the truth to be known how bad the problem really is, it's very covered up! And they spin it all
pretty darn good! Because afterall it wouldn't be real good for tourism to find out addicts are sleeping in abandoned houses with no running water,
and breaking into houses in such a sleepy bedroom community and American pie town that relies on tourism seeing how all the mills have been shut down!
Jack Nicholson comes to mind....YOU Cant handle the truth! LOL! And try to get a reporter to write about it in our town paper, what a joke! Heroin is
a hush-hush subject in many towns! Except Semi-Valley, now there's a town with some balls, and some moms who took matters into their own hands, google
it, it's inspiring!
What's the answer, hell if I know anymore! You cant fight the system and you cant get any attention nor any help...but let's go down fighting that's
my motto!
Marc, I can tell you this....I know too!
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J.P.
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Heroin
Having worked in treatment centers and seen the effect's of Heroin and people that have been clean for years dying from Hepatitis C is heart breaking.
Now there's a new poison out there and its Many times more dangerous than Heroin.
It's cheaper and literally eats the user alive it's called KROKODIL.
[Edited on 11-19-2013 by J.P.]
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 55steve
Meth seems to be taking a toll on the youth in Bahia de Los Angeles. |
Here's a pic of a young woman before she started using meth
And here's the same woman 1 year after she started using it
www.methproject.org/.../will-using-meth-change-ho...
Bob Durrell
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BajaLuna
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That's the one that acts like a flesh eating virus? I heard something about that awhile back. Yikes, that's terrible J.P.
Yeah for sure..., Hep C is what some have to deal with after sobriety, heartbreaking is right!
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BajaLuna
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what it doesn't show Durrell but should is her loosing her children, loosing her family, living on the streets or in a crack house...and eventually
wearing orange and having visitations with her children from prison. Because that's where she'll more than likely end up, IF she's lucky and isn't
dead. And the kids suffer. So sad.
Reminds of that Neil Young song...
I see a woman in the night
With a baby in her hand
Under an old street light
Near a garbage can
Now she puts the kid away,
and she's gone to get a hit
She hates her life,
and what she's done to it
There's one more kid
that will never go to school
Never get to fall in love,
never get to be cool.
Keep on rockin' in the free world
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BajaLuna
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oops misspelt simi valley, ca.
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J.P.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaLuna
what it doesn't show Durrell but should is her loosing her children, loosing her family, living on the streets or in a crack house...and eventually
wearing orange and having visitations with her children from prison. Because that's where she'll more than likely end up, IF she's lucky and isn't
dead. And the kids suffer. So sad.
Reminds of that Neil Young song...
I see a woman in the night
With a baby in her hand
Under an old street light
Near a garbage can
Now she puts the kid away,
and she's gone to get a hit
She hates her life,
and what she's done to it
There's one more kid
that will never go to school
Never get to fall in love,
never get to be cool.
Keep on rockin' in the free world |
After working in Recovery houses and being around addicts and drunks my personal observation is. A alcoholic maintains some degree of self respect
whereas a addict will sell his soul for another fix.
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
I haven't seen much evidence that there are a lot of heroin addicts in BCS. Much bigger problem with chukeros. |
That's because you haven't been keeping up.
I live across the street from a drug dealer in the states and therefore kinda keep up with the latest drug fashions and Heroin is back! In part
because meth is getting harder and harder to make meth because you can't get the ingredients to make meth as easily as you could before.
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BajaLuna
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joerover, who knows how wide spread heroin is in Baja, the numbers in the U.S. are majorly manipulated...I don't know about Baja, but you can bet
nobody is being truthful anywhere, the spin gets rather comical....but ya know there's just too much at stake in the truth IE: tourism, image etc etc.
One of the drug stores in our town now sells foil behind the counter, because the addicts keep ripping it off. If it wasn't so sad it would be funny!
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BajaLuna
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you can make meth in 2 minutes, there's no need for meth houses, you can do it in your car. Yes true, ingredients are harder to get in some places,
but meth will alwayssss be around, it's been around for a longggg time....and the ingredients that it takes to make it will always be around. But
heroin really came in in droves when the Pharmaceutical company's stopped making prescription oxy's in an easily smashable form....that's when
everyone went to heroin. Besides you can pay 30 bucks a hit for a black market prescription pill or a few bucks for heroin, addicts aren't exactly
loaded with cash to buy pills, eventually acquiring money to pay for pills becomes harder...and they gotta go to heroin. The nature of the beast,
unfortunately.
Very true J.P., drug addicts will do anything, and I mean anything to feed their addiction, as I'm sure you well know....and not because they want to,
the ones I know hate it....but because they have to, heroin consumes their life 24/7, and it has to be fed. Yep, sell their souls.
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BajaLuna
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Ok Monoloco, you got me, what is a chukero? Google doesn't seem to recognize it??? It has a definition for chucero, which means "pikeman", military.
Is it a cut of meat, like a chuck roast? A person who chucks things? Guys named chuck? A cute little woodchuck? hahahaha, somehow I don't think it is
any of these!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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