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oxxo
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Residente card and automobiles
I just had a conversation with the guy who processes my Residente card application. He is an immigration officer by day and runs a processing
business in his off hours.
I asked him about residente cards and the requirement for Mexican drivers license and driving a US plated car. He said if you have a Residente card
you are required to have a Mexican drivers license. If you have a Mexican drivers license, you cannot drive a non-Mexican plated car. He said it
makes no difference if it is a temporary residente card or permanent residente card - the requirements are the same. I asked how anyone is going to
know. He said there is talk in the immigration office that all non-Mexican citizens are going to be required to carry their papers on them at all
times! He said he is concerned that the police are now going to require "foreigners" to produce papers when pulled over in a traffic stop.
Immigration reform retaliation?
Currently, I drive a California plated car with a California drivers license. I am going to monitor this situation closely. My immigration buddy
will keep me posted on increased surveillance. The time is approaching when I will need to import my car.
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Mulegena
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Nothing definitive, but...
I was just in the Aduana office in Sta. Rosalia this afternoon. This particular office does not handle permanent import, i.e. nationalization, of
vehicles they did not venture to offer an opinion yea or ney with regards to my car and my particular situation.
The Aduana offices in La Paz, Ensenada and Tijuana are the only offices on the peninsula that can answer these questions definitively.
An importer located in La Paz: Agencia Solis, 612-122-0635 or 612-128-9469.
[Edited on 2-11-2014 by Mulegena]
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CortezBlue
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It's pretty simple
If you get pulled over, you don't give them your Perm Resident card. I have never been asked for my card, ever.
In Mexico, it is nearly impossible for the country to keep track of most everything, and everyone is worried about the plates on an auto?
Hardly anything to keep me up at night.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
It's pretty simple
If you get pulled over, you don't give them your Perm Resident card. I have never been asked for my card, ever. |
I agree, I have never been asked for I.D. either. But that MAY be changing. If you don't produce a Residente card you might be asked to produce
your tourist visa.
| Quote: | | In Mexico, it is nearly impossible for the country to keep track of most everything, and everyone is worried about the plates on an auto?
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I agree. I'm not saying this is definitely going to happen, I am just giving a "heads up" that the Government has been discussing it in official
circles. They have been noticing all the South Dakota plates too.
| Quote: | | Hardly anything to keep me up at night. |
Finally, I agree, but forewarned is forearmed.
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oladulce
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Thanks for the info oxxo. This will greatly impact us also. I think our main vehicle is still too "new" to import.
Do you have to forfeit your US plates when you import your vehicle to Mexico?
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Did some research on importing my regular cab no frills standard shift 1998 SD registered 4wd 2.7L Tacoma. I am guessing that it may cost $2,000 USD
(best info available, but not at all certain of this amount); the vehicle has a blue book value of $5,000 USD. If I have to drive it to the border to
import it, that's another$700 USD for the round trip. The question is, when should I start the process?
I am waiting to hear of several reliable first hand witnessed reports with specific information and knowledge of actual current confiscations in the
Baja before I consider importation of my truck. I am just hoping it won't be me who experiences the confiscation.
One alternative is to take the truck back to USA and sell it in southern California after I switch the registration from SD to Calif. I think that I
can get $7000 to $8000 USD. BUT, and this is a big BUT, don't know if I can purchase a comparable and validly registered Mexican Tacoma for said
$7,000 USD (my Tacoma only has 135,000 miles and drives like new).
[Edited on 2-11-2014 by MitchMan]
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I have imported all my vehicles over the years, it makes life easier with Mexican plates for me.
Last year I imported a 2001 Toyota 4wd crew cab, it was under $1200 usd and completed in 1 day in Tijuana, for another $500p I received nacional
plates instead of frontera.
My liability insurance is about $2100p and covers the USA also.
Do some research before choosing an importer, there are some bad ones that produce forged documents, I believe only the aduanas and camino federales
can verify what is real?
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If one were to believe the the rantings of some nomads, you would be unable to drive the same vehicle under the same plate and license from California
to Baja and back having a temp or perm residency would only be an impossible burden.
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DavidE
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Unrant the ranters gnukid. What say you about plates, and licenses?
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Can't believe nomads still whipping this horse. If you insist on asking aduana over and over and over this same question it eventually is going to
get the attention of someone with the power to do something about it and you're gonna get the answer you're looking for. It really peees me off cuz
your meddling is going to affect a bunch of people, and not in a good way. Stuff it back in your briefcase and wait instead of prodding the dragon.
Geez us chrest.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by weebray
Can't believe nomads still whipping this horse. If you insist on asking aduana over and over and over this same question it eventually is going to
get the attention of someone with the power to do something about it and you're gonna get the answer you're looking for. It really peees me off cuz
your meddling is going to affect a bunch of people, and not in a good way. Stuff it back in your briefcase and wait instead of prodding the dragon.
Geez us chrest. |
Uhhhhhhh, my amigo in the immigration office brought it up to me, I didn't bring it up to him. The dragon is already out of the bottle. I'm sure if
we ignore the obvious, it will just go away.
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Mulegena
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
I just had a conversation with the guy who processes my Residente card application. He is an immigration officer by day and runs a processing
business in his off hours...The time is approaching when I will need to import my car. |
I believe Immigration deals with people, not cars.
Aduana is the office that deals with the law regarding cars.
A couple of thoughts:
Your "processing guy" knows all this above.
It seems a conflict of interest to hire an immigration officer to process your Mexican visa.
He is already being paid by the government to do so. Why do you pay him, too?
If he advises you to import your car will you hire him to process that transaction, too?
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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who better to hire
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
A couple of thoughts:
Your "processing guy" knows all this above.
It seems a conflict of interest to hire an immigration officer to process your Mexican visa.
He is already being paid by the government to do so. Why do you pay him, too?
If he advises you to import your car will you hire him to process that transaction, too? |
He is not paid to process your Mexican visa. He is paid by government during day to follow their rules, by night you get the benefit of knowing what
will be approved.
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Mulegena
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| Quote: | Originally posted by akshadow
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
A couple of thoughts:
Your "processing guy" knows all this above.
It seems a conflict of interest to hire an immigration officer to process your Mexican visa.
He is already being paid by the government to do so. Why do you pay him, too?
If he advises you to import your car will you hire him to process that transaction, too? |
He is not paid to process your Mexican visa. He is paid by government during day to follow their rules, by night you get the benefit of knowing what
will be approved. |
Fair enough statement. Whoever wishes to hire someone to act as their representative in the immigration office has the right to do so. There are no
restrictions as to who can act in this advisory position, anyone can do so. Hiring someone is optional.
However, at the immigration office each applicant is given an itemized list of requirements which he has to fulfill; the federal employee on duty
verbally advises the person seeking the visa of each and every requirement that must be fulfilled. An application will not be accepted until these
requirements are met-- yes, they do check the paperwork before submitting it for processing. This list is also available on-line. It's no secret.
Additionally, Aduana not Migracion, is the separate and distinct agency that handles the importation of cars. Yes, the federal government creates the
rules, but the rules of automobile importation are reported to Aduana.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
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The more people bug the authorities about this the more likely it is that they'll realize that maybe they should be cracking down on it.
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Mulegena
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| Quote: | Originally posted by apple
The more people bug the authorities about this the more likely it is that they'll realize that maybe they should be cracking down on it.
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Ahha, my point is in your statement. The "authorities" on the topic of this thread, I believe, is the office
of Aduana, not Migracion.
I wouldn't go to Aduana to get my visa nor would I go to Migracion to import my car nor go to the electric company to pay my water bill.
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"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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stanburn
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Those of us living on the mainland have already been through this. Resident temporales can drive a foreign plated vehicle. Permanente can not.
Federales here always ask for your visa and will confiscate the car. But that is here on the mainland, Manzanillo area to be exact.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by pacsur
I have imported all my vehicles over the years, it makes life easier with Mexican plates for me.
Last year I imported a 2001 Toyota 4wd crew cab, it was under $1200 usd and completed in 1 day in Tijuana, for another $500p ...My liability insurance
is about $2100p and covers the USA also.
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so who did you use last year that takes ONLY one day
and who is your insurance with that covers mexico AND the USA
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It seems that this is a bigger problem on mainland Mexico.. Becoming a problem in Baja Sur, and not much of a problem at all in Baja Norte. I think
it relates more to the fact that in Baja Norte a visa is not required..because of the tourism near the border.
I just got my permanent residence card last year. I was told that it was ok to drive my us plated vehicle but if I went on to become imagrado, then
it required a Mexican drivers license and Mexican plated vehicle.
I would think that the recent changes in the visa program is leading to this confusion..
Who really know for sure. Even getting the permanent residence card requirements vary depending on where you are living...
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